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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | tracking down Nazi war criminals The US Recreated the Nazi War
The Nazi war crimes apparatus was recruited lock, stock and barrel and secretly redeployed worldwide. It became US Intelligence. | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
 ·AT&T Southwest
| The Plot Thickens Osirusoft's old website was high-jacked? or are they a victim too??/Now?
Wouldn't a Neo Nazi Group (no not the Bushies, I'll assume) like to shut down a Nazi-Hunter Group? (old Osirusoft URL text:
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Relays.osirusoft.com has not had valid data in well over a year, but people insist on using the data. Please contact the ISPs blocking your mail and ask them to STOP using relays.osirusoft.com to filter email.
The reason for this downtime can be summed up in the following brief statements.
* foonet ddos'd the hell out of osirusoft's servers
* I needed to preserve my business, and get people off of my company's network, ASAP
* I have a life, and in the near future, a wife to go with it.
The most common question is why does everything report 127.0.0.2? The answer is simple. My networks are being hit by this request at an enormous rate, simply for running my company domain, OsiruSoft.com. No response means that the problem gets ignored. My company has suffered enough, and it's time to move onward and upward.
Some of the tools that were in use to help others are still online, and will continue to be, simply because they're useful. If your mail is being blocked because someone is referencing relays.osirusoft.com, please let them know they are shooting themselves in the foot, with an uzi.
To add insult to injury, Pallorium, Inc has elected to sue me, of which all case information is available, here.
Tools These tools are outdated, but are being brought up to date with the aftermath of the DDOS Mafia attacks against my site and others.
* Rbcheck can be used to check your system against a multitude of lists, and provide links where possible to reference the listing system.
* Address Block can be used to provide information about a domain or IP address.
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Steve
Pipe Wrench Fight
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| Re: tracking down Nazi war criminals said by BIGMIKE  :
The US Recreated the Nazi War
... and this has to do what with the spam issue?
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
1 edit | ISP should have listened. Collateral damage doesn't happen instantly. Only the actual spammers have their IPs blacklisted at first and warnings are sent to that ISP. If the ISP refuses to act and allows abuse to continue, then a blacklist can and sometimes does expand to include other ISP customers. The idea here is to get the ISP's attention, via complaints from their other legitimate customers, that ignoring spam complaints is a bad business practice that can lead to legitimate customers leaving the ISP for another, more responsible ISP.
As far as blocking goes, blacklisters block nothing. They merely provide the information others can use to make their own decisions as to who they may or may not want to block.
And anyone who operates a mail server has the right to to refuse mail from anyone, for any reason, by any method they chose, including using blacklists.
The customer suing should be laming his ISP for ignoring complaints and causing the problem in the first place, rather than blaming those who are doing something about it themselves.
OsiruSoft is blameless. They didn't and can't force their service onto anyone. The people actually blocking the mail made that decision, and they can't be blamed either. It's their mail server. | |
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Musicscom
Premium
join:2004-08-24
Washington, DC
| Right to block We have the right to block any and all traffic on "Our" networks.
It's not a blacklist, it's right.
We get hit thousands of times an hour with someone trying to relay mail, and nosey PI's.
The Right to Privacy is our right, not those of some idiot Nazi hunter spying on U.S. companies.
I think Rambam is retalliating for someone blocking him and his spies from reconnoittering a private person and his company.
The retalliation, naturally, was in the form of monetary disenfranchisement.
This seems to be nothing more than an attempt to use the law to break into a network.
The case is frivolous, and is, in actuality, spamming the court system.
The judge should throw it out. | |
| russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Perhaps trade libel? Osirusoft was a bad blacklist and I'm glad it's gone. I don't know if they really did wrongfully blacklist this firm, but it seems to me that if they did, it could certainly be considered libel. Unless calling someone a spammer when they ain't one isn't defamatory. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Anti-Spam Blacklists Wrong These blacklists were wrong to list any single non-spamming IP address as "blocked." Even if a spammer's sending IP address is one bit away from a non-spammer, there is no reason whatsoever for the non-spammer to be listed. Hopefully this kind of legal action will teach these idiot vigilantes to think before they take actions that cause so many problems for innocent bystanders.
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nil
Java Geek
join:2000-11-27
Host:
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Forum Feature Requ..
| Why anti-spam is having so much trouble.. Derek has a pretty good explanation why anti-spam movement is sometimes so ineffective..
»blog.megacity.org/archives/001841.php
Having personally dealt with this side of the issue, I completely agree with him. If people would stop treating this as a religious debate and be a bit more dry and objective about the issue it would go a long way to help fight spammers instead of fighting each other.
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| Waste of Time I think we are only hearing one side of the story, I am sure there's more to it then what we know. As far as the situation, they are suing the wrong people. Nobody held a gun to the isp, or host or what ever making them use Osirusoft's black list. It's just like here on dslreports.com, if Justin, or who ever wants to ban you, they can. Because they run the forum, and there's not much else you can do about it.
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
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join:2000-11-09
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clubs: | Re: Waste of Time ...and they'd all be quite wrong, as I think you'd agree. Ah, but they will continue to try to persuade someone otherwise, won't they? | |
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antiphishing
Phishing Scam Terminator
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join:2004-06-09
Wilkes Barre, PA
| antispam groups create collateral damage This same exactly thing is happening to Spamcop.net. Internet users are using the service to falsely report legitimate email,opt-in newsletters, auto responders and junk email that contains malware. The collateral damage with Spamcop.net's blacklist is bigger then what most internet users are lead to believe.
This doesn't surprise me one bit that the same thing is happening to other blacklist including SPEWS and the now defunct OsiruSoft.
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nil
Java Geek
join:2000-11-27 | Re: antispam groups create collateral damage SPEWS is a special case.. they purposely blacklist whole netblocks to put pressure on ISPs via customers.
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lupinia
Premium
join:2004-08-24
Harrisonburg, VA
| Yeah... I'm glad they're getting sued, it's about time the victims of their collateral damage fight back.
I used to own a company providing web hosting and email hosting (among other things), and my servers got blacklisted by almost every anti-spam server in existance because one of my clients was a frequent poster on Yahoo Groups, and some idiot reported mail from him as spam. I was never contacted about this, and my contact information was posted all over our homepage and other websites, so the claims that server blacklisting comes from "irresponsible ISPs" strikes me as utter BS. I was unable to send email to anyone except a few other webmasters and my clients for almost two weeks because of it. | |
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