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| Re: With their track record? said by pcdebb  :
It'd be a hoot I try to install it, and my current AV or firewall flagged it as being malicious 
No doubt it would...Microsoft would find a way to profit off it via a 3rd party, like report back all thepeople who have sextracker cookies and automaticly signs every email address used in outlook, up for tons of porn email!! | |
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| But will it act on the variious nefarious things M$ likes to do themselves as "HELPFUL" addons?
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| Billy boy forgets it was his lowly programmers that created the whole "Tracking Cookie" concept and built it into there IE browser. MS is the biggest exploiter (err... Marketing) company of all. I sure they would prevent every other tracking cookie, key logger and trojan except the ones they placed there or their paying marketing customer placed there.
Firefox and mozilla are a simpler alternative, even then you have to realize only a truly independent Anti-Adware company will not be selective in their identification of adware or tracking cookies.
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1 edit | Independent? Spyware detection *has* to be independent. I don't think Microsoft has the ability to be independent with their political climate. It will be interesting to watch the definition of spyware "evolve". | |
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| Just what we need Someone give me one reason why we should trust microsoft to protect us against something they were originally leaving us wide open to...
and hey....heres an idea...FIX YOUR F*CKING BROWSER AND WE WOULDNT HAVE THESE SPYWARE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!
We dont need more add-on CRAP taking up memory so one program can fix another | |
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| Re: Just what we need said by swiftymc :
heres an idea...FIX YOUR F*CKING BROWSER AND WE WOULDNT HAVE THESE SPYWARE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!
That won't do it.
Even with every possible technical precaution - and XP/SP2 goes a long way - there will still be users who will install anything if asked to. Until "idiot users" are addressed, spyware is going to be a fact of life.
Whether Microsoft's solution will be any good remains to be seen.
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| ye Microsoft sells us crappy buggy software, then releases a million windows updates to patch the problem.
Why can't they test their stuff more, so we users don't have to do it for them (for free).
What worries me is if Microsoft somehow decides to make this spyware tool built into future windows editions. Just like the silly excuse for a firewall they put into Windows XP !!!
They are making other companies go bankrupt by monopolizing everything.
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| Re: Just what we need What ever happened to some court order not to include IE with windows installs?
Didnt they have this beef with netscape because they dont have as good a chance of getting their browser out there because Windows already has a packaged browser.
Im liking the spreading of firefox, especially when they hit that 1 million download mark early. Everyone needs to help spreading the word. Everyone needs to do what they can to spread it to more people and help rid the world of this evil virus code named Internet Explorer. | |
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| Re: Just what we need And as soon as that becomes the mostly widely used browser the same will happen. People seem to forget that virus writers and the slime balls who make spyware do it to try and make the most impact for spyware tracking users to try and make them buy other stuff is a money gimmick. So they go after the biggest population to try and make the most money.
This forum in general is so biased against MS but yet 95% of you people use it. Turn off your windows machine and boot up linux. I am sure most of the linux users who know what they are doing will appreciate the how do I posts in the linux forums.
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| Re: Just what we need So true, But I am severely tired of seeing these people bash MS when many have never booted up a linux machine or shelled into one. Each one has strengths and weaknesses and the uneducated just seem to think that they are always right claiming "Linux Roxors". And none of them have even used a linux box, closest they have used to a machine of that os is visiting a site running apache.
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1 edit | Re: Just what we need said by BosstonesOwn :
Each one has strengths and weaknesses and the uneducated just seem to think that they are always right claiming "Linux Roxors". And none of them have even used a linux box, closest they have used to a machine of that os is visiting a site running apache.
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1 edit | Re: Just what we need said by ame055 :
said by swiftymc :
What ever happened to some court order not to include IE with windows installs?
Didnt they have this beef with netscape because they dont have as good a chance of getting their browser out there because Windows already has a packaged browser.
Im liking the spreading of firefox, especially when they hit that 1 million download mark early. Everyone needs to help spreading the word. Everyone needs to do what they can to spread it to more people and help rid the world of this evil virus code named Internet Explorer.
Ye Firefox is a great browser.
read this article »news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5074799···ede1_hed
What i don't understand is how has IE survived till now, when you have many FREE SUPERIOR browsers out there like firefox and Opera ?
By the way what happened to MSN Explorer ? are they still planning to include it in the future.
I like the "evil virus code" expression.
Well I guess Mozilla and Firefox never got such a big push til recently...As far as MSN browser, I thought you needed to be a member of MSN to use it. Atleast thats what it told me on time i went to install it | |
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Rancho Palos Verdes, CA | People where making money off windows security flaws...
Microsoft is trying to plug up the flaws.
Those companies would have never had business if it weren't for microsoft anyways.
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They are making other companies go bankrupt by monopolizing everything.
IMAGINE IF in a 100 years the ONLY software company on earth is MICROSOFT !!!
That is their plan, you do realize that, right? | |
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| Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
>and the 10 yr old responds with cursing and more garbage that offers no help what so ever. if you really do not trust microsoft so much go use linux, bsd, mac, whatever so you wont have to deal with them anymore and we wont have to read responses like that either.
You seem to lack the intelligence to understand what I said was simply my opinion. Have your opinion...whatever you want. When you dish out near $100 for the operating system, you should be getting something of quality not something that in all the right minds should have federal warning stickers stating that if you do not secure the product yourself, you risk getting your Identity, Credit card number(s) any or all personal information stolen. Or could get tangled into a web of having your computer hijacked to be used in illegal acts which include but are not limited to, Denial of service attacks, war dialing, password cracking and hosting illegal files such as copyrighted music and programs. | |
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| Re: Just what we need identity theft occurs more from people entering their info into bogus banking sites and from hackers breaking into "secure sites" and stealing it.
Besides just because you have an opinion does not mean we have to hear or read it. Your "opinion" was extremely ignorant cand childish and frankly would have better off being kept to youself.
People being ignorant and not protecting themselves is not the fault of microsoft. In fact if you had the MS firewall on you would not have got the Sasser worm. The tools are thetr, MS can't make you use them. | |
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said by cyrus369 :
>and the 10 yr old responds with cursing and more garbage that offers no help what so ever. if you really do not trust microsoft so much go use linux, bsd, mac, whatever so you wont have to deal with them anymore and we wont have to read responses like that either.
You seem to lack the intelligence to understand what I said was simply my opinion. Have your opinion...whatever you want. When you dish out near $100 for the operating system, you should be getting something of quality not something that in all the right minds should have federal warning stickers stating that if you do not secure the product yourself, you risk getting your Identity, Credit card number(s) any or all personal information stolen. Or could get tangled into a web of having your computer hijacked to be used in illegal acts which include but are not limited to, Denial of service attacks, war dialing, password cracking and hosting illegal files such as copyrighted music and programs.
so you basically expect microsoft to secure their product against every little bug and/or user action that the mind can think of? it is not microsofts fault that everyone puts their product under a microscope to find every little thing wrong with it and then develops a exploit for it. YES all those thing you say can happen, but war dialing? did you just copy that from somewhere? war dialing is old and never used unless it took on a new definition that im unaware of. most of what you say can be avoided by common sense. but its like saying its gm's fault for not securing their cars against car jackers. or its mcdonalds fault for serving unhealthy food and people get fat because of it. or how about houses, they get broken into, vandalized, etc.... so should be blame the builder for not securing it enough? after all we pay 150k or more for a house i would expect it to not get broken into or vandalized. for what i paid it should provide me with the security to protect against all of it. if you want to use the internet in any shape or form you will have to get used to the insecurities of it and subject yourself to the dangers of it everyday just like you do when you venture out into the world.
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2 edits | Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
so you basically expect microsoft to secure their product against every little bug and/or user action that the mind can think of?
Ok...We start with Windows 95, then 98a 98b and/or 98SE(with possible revision's released), Windows NT(I forget is there were service packs), Windows ME, Windows 2000 including 4 service pack updates and now Windows XP with 2 service packs.
After atleast 5+ years, there are an unimaginable number of sploits popping up like popcorn in a microwave.
said by cyrus369 :
YES all those thing you say can happen, but war dialing? did you just copy that from somewhere? war dialing is old and never used unless it took on a new definition that im unaware of. most of what you say can be avoided by common sense
old and never used? There is a WHOLE new generation of war dialing happening right now. A friend of mine has over 100k bots and atleast 20k have a dialup modem installed with phoneline still attached. Give me your phone number and I could have 20k phone from all over the world calling you 24/7
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but its like saying its gm's fault for not securing their cars against car jackers. or its mcdonalds fault for serving unhealthy food and people get fat because of it. or how about houses, they get broken into, vandalized, etc.... so should be blame the builder for not securing it enough? after all we pay 150k or more for a house i would expect it to not get broken into or vandalized. for what i paid it should provide me with the security to protect against all of it. if you want to use the internet in any shape or form you will have to get used to the insecurities of it and subject yourself to the dangers of it everyday just like you do when you venture out into the world.
Theres a reason cars have seat belts, and why you can get home owners insurance, enough said. I only hope you can see how ignorant you are | |
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| in reality i think it is as much a behavior problem that anything. web programmers have conditioned people to have to download a plug-in for every fucking thing. A trend needs to start where more things are implemented on the server side and through .NET. If the good guys get people less addicted to downloading plug-ins then the public will be more skeptical to download just anything.
on that note, I wish MS would just buy Mcaffee and get it over with, they already provide everything MS wants to do and hell the new security center in XP2 is a direct ripoff of Mcaffee. Hell Mcaffee even sees MS firewall. | |
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Birmingham, AL | Microsoft Anti-spy Yeah right! Microsoft will detect everything NON-MICROSOFT installed on ur computer as spyware... | |
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| Keeping the world safe The following sent to me was purportedly purloined from the the Microsoft Director of AntiSpyware office. The following is a small sample of the malware that MS will vigorously defend all PC's against:
Ad-Aware, Spybot S & D
VirusScan, NAV, KAV, F-Prot, F-Secure, AVG, Avast, ...
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, Outpost, Tiny, ...
RealPlayer
Logitech
AOL, Google, Earthlink, Yahoo
AIM, IRC, YIM
Firefox, Opera, Safari
Lindows, Linux, Unix
JAVA - all flavors
Open Source - no exceptions
Anything connected to Scott McNealy, Larry Ellison, or Steve Jobs.
All 3459 pirate copies of Windows at the Justice Department. | |
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| Re: Keeping the world safe said by rshoch :
The following sent to me was purportedly purloined from the the Microsoft Director of AntiSpyware office. The following is a small sample of the malware that MS will vigorously defend all PC's against:
Ad-Aware, Spybot S & D
VirusScan, NAV, KAV, F-Prot, F-Secure, AVG, Avast, ...
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, Outpost, Tiny, ...
RealPlayer
Logitech
AOL, Google, Earthlink, Yahoo
AIM, IRC, YIM
Firefox, Opera, Safari
Lindows, Linux, Unix
JAVA - all flavors
Open Source - no exceptions
Anything connected to Scott McNealy, Larry Ellison, or Steve Jobs.
All 3459 pirate copies of Windows at the Justice Department.
they can keep real player on there.
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| Anti MS BS! Would be nice, just 1 time, when a post on MS comes up that every anti-MS person just ignore it if they have nothing of value to add.
Weird that everyone complains about MS and IE and when MS says they are looking to enhance functionality to address the items, someone finds flaw with them.
I welcome all MS solutions, just as I welcome everyone elses. In the end, the beneficiary is usually the consumer with more choices.
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| Re: Anti MS BS! said by GeekNJ :
Would be nice, just 1 time, when a post on MS comes up that every anti-MS person just ignore it if they have nothing of value to add.
Weird that everyone complains about MS and IE and when MS says they are looking to enhance functionality to address the items, someone finds flaw with them.
I welcome all MS solutions, just as I welcome everyone elses. In the end, the beneficiary is usually the consumer with more choices.
Yeah, would B nice.... What a GEEK! | |
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| Re: Anti MS BS! If you have no useful comments why even post. Go boot to linux or better yet a mac os on your pc gear and go leave the microsoft world. Then you won't have no issues with it.
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| said by GeekNJ :
Would be nice, just 1 time, when a post on MS comes up that every anti-MS person just ignore it if they have nothing of value to add.
Weird that everyone complains about MS and IE and when MS says they are looking to enhance functionality to address the items, someone finds flaw with them.
I welcome all MS solutions, just as I welcome everyone elses. In the end, the beneficiary is usually the consumer with more choices.
Perhaps because the entire concept of MS anti-spyware tools is a heaping load of self-serving BS? That the "root cause" of the majority of spyware infections, are due to a total failing of MS's much-vaunted "Secure Computing Initiative", and if MS OS were even slightly more secure and had a few less holes than a block of swiss cheese, that most of this would be a moot point already?
I don't buy it that spyware is entirely the fault of the user, because why aren't we therefore seeing more "massive spyware infections" of alternative-browser users? The empirical facts seem to suggest that IE/OE is the primary infection vector.
I also disagree that there are no technical solutions for the user clicking "Yes" to installation of software with embedded malware. There in fact are, it's just that MS refuses to actually implment something that would be useful, but not enable them to make more money or enhance their market share further, thus they do nothing about it. | |
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| Re: Anti MS BS! Hey the major problem is active x that is run when a user is not smart enough to not log in as an administrator it is not MS problem people are stupid.
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| microsoft i would try it. just because i recall the days when there was no standard and software would not run and was very buggy. micro came along and helped propel the industry. i do not understand why every one hates microsoft so much and dont really care why. | |
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| Re: microsoft said by GeekNJ :
said by i1me2ao :
i would try it. just because i recall the days when there was no standard and software would not run and was very buggy. micro came along and helped propel the industry. i do not understand why every one hates microsoft so much and dont really care why.
Because all the kids posting about how MS stinks weren't alive to know what it was like! Keyboard templates for each software package. Installing printer drivers for each piece of software, etc.
I remember a day when the software industry wasn't ruled by a controlling monopoly; where innovations and independent modes of thought flourished; and also when software publishers/developers actually apologized to the public about bugs that were discovered in their software, because it meant that their development and testing procedures had failed, for a "bug" to escape out into the end-user's hands.
Nowadays, it seems as though software (comparatively speaking) isn't tested at all. As soon as it compiles cleanly, it's shipped, and any issues discovered in the interim, are fixed in the .1 revision.
MS invented "good enough" software, and the unknowing public embraced it, along with the culture of blaming themselves when software failed, rather than blame the software makers. Even though computers have been around for quite some time now, the vast majority of non-geeks still consider the workings of computer software to be just a hair shy of magic, and attribute failures of the system to be similar to that of religion - that errors are their fault, because they "didn't have enough faith", when they attempted an operation.
They don't fully understand, that computers and software are just deterministic state-machines, machinery, and the reason that they break down - is that they are simply broken by design. Not due to any sort of "computer faith" problem on the part of the user. (You can clearly see how most end-users do percieve things this way, because they often re-try operations that fail, again and again, hoping that "this time, it will work, because the 'computer gods' will smile upon me". They have no perception of the inherent determinism of the inner workings of the system.)
MS's "dumbing-down" of the users here, only makes the problem worse. | |
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| Re: microsoft had MS not industrialized the software like they have, pcs would still not be common place in a home or if they were they wouldn't all be running one platform.
As much as people claim MS is the reason why people/users are dumb ed down it is not. It is the opposite MS has a dumb ass market and they play to that market nicely.
The reason people try the failure 2 or 3 times is because believe it or not some times contents of ram hose an program yeah I have seen it happen.
MS did not invent good enough software no one uses good enough software. If you had any experience writing software you would understand one simple thing. Good programming now is not good programming 3 years from now. It just isn't, That is the evolution of the machine no one is perfect.
I have written software for 13 years both professionally and privately. Some time ago buffer overflow was not even found to be a problem. Now it is very common. It was considered safe to uncheck it to save cycles. We had slow systems and all the cycles we could save were great. Now we have huge systems with massive power.
If you think about the past of computing, the present, and the future coming you will see evolution of the machine. No one can say the coding structures and safeties that are safe today will be tomorrow.
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| Re: Why use microsoft spyware utilities... said by exocet_cm :
When so many other anti-spyware utilities are available for free?
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
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| Built into OS? This should actually be built into the OS, there are way way to many idiot's out there that need that protection by default. Just have it so us advanced users have the option to turn the service off if we want to use our own spyware program.
Anti-MS comment: It's the OS's fault that spyware exists
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| Re: Built into OS? said by Vamp :
Anti-MS comment: It's the OS's fault that spyware exists
Exactly! Anyone who says otherwise, needs a reality-check. | |
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| Re: Built into OS? said by BosstonesOwn :
It is the idiot running as administrator that needs the reality check. Try installing spyware as a user. Not a super user but a regular user. Yeah you can't.
um there is alot of nonspyware windows software that won't run under other accounts. For alot of people it isn't possible to run this way. | |
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| Microsoft Anti-Spyware Microsoft wants me to stop using Spybot Search and Destroy and start using a spyware program from a software company that has been plagued by security issues for years. Bill Gates has diversifying into so many software and internet projects in the last five years that it looks to me like he lost touch in his core business which was computer platforms. Why get into another avenue of internet security when he still can't fix the security problems with Windows.
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| Re: Microsoft Anti-Spyware said by BM Fan :
you will probably have to buy XP or longhorn just to get the software
Even if you were kidding, you may not be far from the truth! | |
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|  Will it remove Windows?
I do acknowledge that Windows is hugely complex, and Microsoft has come a very far ways in attempting to secure it. However, I feel Microsoft has often failed, placing their ambition to get the product to market over ensuring that the product is actually ready to be on the market. In addition, if the user remains unwilling to educate themselves and take even the most basic actions to ensure that they use safe computing techniques, it will not be possible, regardless of how much money, manpower, and ingenuity is thrown at it, to create a fully secure product.
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join:2003-11-05
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| Get Real Hmmm you think maybe the moment MS releases a new update patch or feature hacks are searching for vulnerabilities? Sure seems like it I know every time a couple of my games come up w / patches the hacks are hard at work again. In todays environment it is literally impossible to have a totally secure release its just too profitable to the hacks.OH yeah and costly to those that store that type of info on their systems. Hope these other OS become as widely used as xp so the hacks will have some thing else to exploit. just my 2 cents | |
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| So what was the point anyway?? After reading all the posts I am left wondering how many were really necessary. No matter what any article is about if Microsoft is mentioned then all we see is MS sucks. I long for a time when the majority of posts have intelligence in them.
No matter what operating system you have if you can go to the internet you are exposed. The is no way to stop someone from clicking on you need this to view this or whatever they say. People will go and say yes to spyware. So stop complaining and educate anyone you know who will download anything. Teach people how to secure their computers. Be the solution and not a troll.
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