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3 edits | WOW Sweet! I wonder how many GHz, or Teraherz?
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"A single teraflop is one million million floating-point operations - or intensive mathematical calculations - per second, and is about 100 times faster than the most powerful desktop computers."
So, 70.72*100*3.4 = 24044.8 GHz !!!! WOZERZ!
If you played a game on that, wait, you wouldn't be able to because it would go so fast!
EDIT - Again! "It has been designed to include an unprecedented number of different processing units - 65,536 in all - and is expected to reach a staggering 360 teraflops when completed"
Umm, WOW! 360*100*3.4=122400GHz, Holy cow cow! | |
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Huntersville, NC | Re: WOW LOL, you obviously couldn't play any games that require sound... thing prolly sounds like a 747 on steroids. | |
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1 edit | Re: WOW So, make an emulator program to make it run on all of them 
Thing probably needs a whole powerplant to itself! | |
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| Re: WOW said by z28kindaguy : said by fartness :run seti Why waste all that power? Yeah, why waste that computer power on something cool? Just waste it while your computer idles doing nothing.
Oh that's right, you're part of Team Discovery. You think you're better than SETI people. GFY
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| Re: WOW 1 flop - flop
1,000 flops - kiloflop
1,000,000 flops - megaflop
1,000,000,000 flops - gigaflop
1,000,000,000,000 flops - teraflop
1,000,000,000,000,000 flops - petaflop
1,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - exaflop
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - zettaflop
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - yottaflop
No John Kerry jokes please.
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| said by pcscdma :1 flop - flop 1,000 flops - kiloflop 1,000,000 flops - megaflop 1,000,000,000 flops - gigaflop 1,000,000,000,000 flops - teraflop 1,000,000,000,000,000 flops - petaflop 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - exaflop 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - zettaflop 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 flops - yottaflop No John Kerry jokes please. Peta flop associated with PETA in any way ?
STOP ABUSING THE FLOPS......
Hmm Next level called a kerryflop ?
I shouldn't joke about it I actually voted for him.
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North Babylon, NY | Why does anyone need to know this? We'll never see that speed in quite some time for home computers. | |
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| Re: WOW said by mrchris :Why does anyone need to know this? We'll never see that speed in quite some time for home computers. Worst. post. ever.
said by bmn :You calculation is assuming that the processor cores are only doing one operation per clock cycle...  That still doesn't make any sense.
If that was the case then - 1,000,000,000,000 (million million)
360,000,000,000,000 Hertz
360,000GHz
The hertz rating is stupid in this case anyway. We're talking about PowerPC CPUs here and it is likely to ignite those stupid Apple vs. x86 flame wars. The PowerPC clock speed wasn't disclosed or I haven't dug far enough into their website so I don't know what it is.
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| Re: WOW I have to second that worst post ever.
WTF were you thinking when you posted ? Dude they use that to simulate the world and weather events and such. Why do we need to know this ? Wow talk about not knowing about the world around you.
Also it is used to crack encrypted text to see if members of any terrorist groups are plotting their vengeance against us. SO hell yeah we need to know.
*poor comic book guy imitation* "Worst Post EVER."
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| Re: WOW ^^ this guy is paranoid
"Also it is used to crack encrypted text to see if members of any terrorist groups are plotting their vengeance against us. SO hell yeah we need to know."
noting can be encoded enough to require that much power. because if it was the person it's supposed to be sent to can't open or use it. | |
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| Re: WOW said by BonezX :^^ this guy is paranoid "Also it is used to crack encrypted text to see if members of any terrorist groups are plotting their vengeance against us. SO hell yeah we need to know." noting can be encoded enough to require that much power. because if it was the person it's supposed to be sent to can't open or use it. Ever hear of brute force. That system could crack rsa 768 in minutes. Do not be so nieve as to think people who would do harm to any of the world are not smart enough to encrypt their traffic.
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| Re: WOW and who owns it, and since it's widely known as you just basically stated, everyone has a copy of it.
thing with crypter/decrypter software is that it's just a program, you feed it information it spits out code, you feed it code, it spits out information. all based on an algorithm, which is based off logic. and i doubt they are able to get super A+ coders to make the programs for them so i seriously doubt you need that big of a system to break their code. | |
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| Re: WOW 2 words Open Source.
Many of the worlds best programmers work for free on their spare time. Who said the people wo wish to do us harm would have to hire coders.
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| Re: WOW if it's open source, EVERYONE CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON IT. which completely voids what your saying. dude get the point.
if they are actually as smart as you say, they would avoid open source as much as possible because,
1. it's not secure
2. everyone can get their hands on it
3. it's easier to use a phone
4. it's more secure to get someone to travel to deliver a message
5. their target is in their country, so why would they need to worry about getting information to opratives in the states | |
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| Re: WOW wow you really don't understand encryption do you.
the whole point of encryption is even if the message is intercepted it can't be seen.
Open source encryption tech is generally the most secure. RSA is secure to everything but super computers and is open source .
pgp, there are others. The open source code for you to see is no big deal. Since it don't contain the keys to decrypt only the math functions needed to decrypt minus the keys.
Please go read some sort of information on encryption before you make yourself look even worse then you already have.
By the way... open source also includes SSL which many banks and web sites use.
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| Re: WOW and you don't understand my point, you don't need such a massive computer to decrypt the americans problem when it could be off doing calculations of how to feed the world with the current food production, or running weather analysis, or trying to calculate the meaning of life(42).
and the computer you think they should use it owned by an independant company, which can use the information on it in which ever way they want, so that in itself is insecure (and just about every intel agency has their own computers for doing this anyway).
as i said, there are more secure ways to send information from one place to the other, and allot of the world could not give a shit about the americans problem, and some of them most likely support the people causing it.
just remember, there are other things in the world other then your(and countries) problems, and hate to burst your bubble but the united states is not the center of the world(as much as some people keep saying it, it will not be true).
codes are made to be broken, empires will collapse, people will die, in the end the fact that you can decrypt a paragraph will not make a diffrence.
and grammer will help in getting your point across. "Since it don't" | |
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| Re: WOW said by BonezX :and you don't understand my point, you don't need such a massive computer to decrypt the americans problem when it could be off doing calculations of how to feed the world with the current food production, or running weather analysis, or trying to calculate the meaning of life(42). and the computer you think they should use it owned by an independant company, which can use the information on it in which ever way they want, so that in itself is insecure (and just about every intel agency has their own computers for doing this anyway). as i said, there are more secure ways to send information from one place to the other, and allot of the world could not give a shit about the americans problem, and some of them most likely support the people causing it. just remember, there are other things in the world other then your(and countries) problems, and hate to burst your bubble but the united states is not the center of the world(as much as some people keep saying it, it will not be true). codes are made to be broken, empires will collapse, people will die, in the end the fact that you can decrypt a paragraph will not make a diffrence. and grammer will help in getting your point across. "Since it don't" First off when companies work for the government they sign agreements to not disclose anything under penalty of treason. Insecure I doubt it when the system is not connected to the internet.
Yes you do need massive computers to break encryption. and that is what the American problem is at the moment terrorists that are using such technology to lock down hard drives and such. Because you want to feed the world or possibly try and forecast weather with it is your opinion , and that is not what they are going to use it for. That is easy to see.
I never said the world went around the US. The people who would cause harm to any of the American allies are showing their signs of stupidity by using encrypted satellite phones and such. Once that part is caught it can be brute forced. While there is better ways to transport messages they have not done so.
yes codes are made to be broken that is why this machine is being assembled. empires will collapse yeah I agree especially when we have morons like GWB running the country.
Decrypting a paragraph will however make a difference. How about if they had decrypted a paragraph by some one saying they would fly a plane into a building on a certain day and time. You don't think that would have helped a little bit more. A little anti American ?
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»www.distributed.net/rc5/
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
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| Re: WOW Listen, that machine makes even 100,000 home machines look small. Look at the basic computing power that system possesses. It could crack numbers in hours. It is not a x86 style processor and does more work per instruction. The machine will be a behemoth and will do the work of 1 million or so pc days in 1 day. Think of the raw power.
Picture this machine Doing in 1 Day what your pc does in 1 Million days and that is at its lowest level while incomplete. That is a hell of a lot of power. Distributed computing doesn't have those numbers of people. Plus now factor in that is an x86 based value if the processor does 1.5 instructions per cycle vs the x86 1 instruction per cycle your doing 150 % of the load as a x86 so now 1.5 million days of work in a day. That is heavy iron. And that is the power of it at it's lowest test. When they add more it will get faster. Now figure out if they are only doing 1.5 per cycle or more compared to the x86.
Cray machines are used to generate matrix's to break routines all the time. In as little as 15 minutes. And they are not as powerful as this will become.
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| Re: WOW in the end using all this power for ONE (read it one) countries problems when it could be used to solve world problems, is stupid, this thing has more power then could ever be needed, you keep pushing that it should be used to decrypt "terrorist" messages and intel, when there are already systems in place to do such things and there are more pressing issues, like aids, hunger, drought, hell some people can't even get water.
but look what you are thinking about, some people half way across the world that you had no idea were there until 5 years ago, and now they seem to be the big topic of discussion. for frig sakes, allot of Americans don't even know where Afghanistan is, or even how far apart they are.
that's what i mean by there are systems in place, but is it required so severely that these codes need to be cracked. and think about the people that is using this information, hell your own government is using the information gained to spy on your stuff so why would you want to help them. | |
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| Re: WOW And sure solving one countries problem isn't your concern it is our concern. And it is our money building it not the worlds. SO in this case and I have said before. The US needs to stop supporting the world and support ourselves. SO F The world and I want my countries problems solved first.
pcscdma think about that it is a test. If something important comes along you don't want the government to do it you want all these puters that are not reliable to do the work?
How about the other way BonezX use distributed computing to solve the worlds problems ? Thats right there isn't enough to solve that problem.
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| said by pcscdma :said by bmn :You calculation is assuming that the processor cores are only doing one operation per clock cycle... That still doesn't make any sense. As the number of operations per clock cycles goes up, the higher your FLOP rating will be in theory. Because of this, its possible to have one processor that's slower than another and yet "more powerful" because it performs more operations in a clock cycle.
That's why on some newer processors, FLOP ratings don't even come close to matching the core frequency... But as you said earlier, and quite correctly, clock speed doesn't really mean that much...
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Just for kicks you might want to research a comment made by Bill Gates about 20ish years ago regarding computer speed | |
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| Re: WOW said by waldoooo :Just for kicks you might want to research a comment made by Bill Gates about 20ish years ago regarding computer speed I might have to fire off an email to snopes on that one.
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1 edit | Re: No record said by The News:
despite being only partially built. IBM's BlueGene/L achieved a record-breaking performance of 70.72 teraflops
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| Seen it! IBM is actually building 3 of these, I think. They have one that's still under construction at the TJ Watson Research Lab in Yorktown, NY (where my dad works, so I got to go see it). The architecture is quite impressive - composed of dual-CPU units in one chip. Two of those chips are on a card, 16 of those cards go on a board, 16 of those boards make up a frame, and two frames make a rack. So one rack has 2048 CPUs in it. They use a custom bus to interconnect CPUs in what can be abstracted in a 3-dimensional torus (each one talks to the CPUs "above", "below", "in front", "behind", and to the "left" and "right" of it.) The boards and racks communicate with each other and the storage units (robotic tape units and storage servers) over GigE. The whole thing takes up a huge room with lots of air-conditioning.
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Shades of the matrix I gather.
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Berkeley, CA | Re: Seen it! At least a few lambdas on a multimode fiber directly connecting them. I highly doubt that the protocol used to communicate is IP-based. | |
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| Did Some Serious Tweaking? Interesting that just last September this same machine had been clocked at 36 teraflops - so they've come close to doubling that in just 2 months!
The first computer classified as a Supercomputer was the Cray-I which had a top speed of about 160 megaflops.
I wonder if all test results were from the same test type? Seems the current 'standard' is the Linpack benchmark, and I'm not sure when that standard was initiated.
Oh well, here's some interesting milestones in mainframe histories:
»courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs4234/hw1/sol.html
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Illiac IV. Date(s) of the project: around 1965. Company or University: University of Illinois. Characteristics:
64 processors and a 13MHz clock
Total memory : 1MB memory (64x16KB).
Each processor has a peak speed of 4 MFLOPS.
The machine's I/O system is capable of 500 Mbit/s.
Its actual performance was 15 MFLOPS.
1 control unit which could access all system memory and control the 64 processing elements (PEs)
Each PE had some local memory.
Each PE had some memory shared with adjacent processing elements
Connection Machine-I. Date(s) of the project: 1985/86. Company or University: Danny Hillis and his company Thinking Machine Corporation. Characteristics:
These machines had 65,536 simple 1-bit processors that could simultaneously perform the same calculation, each on its own separate data set.
Processors connected into a hypercube and each having 4Kbits of memory.
Every processor is connected to a central unit called the microcontroller which issues identical nanoinstructions to all of them.
Cray-I. Date(s) of the project: 1976. Company or University: Cray Research Lab. Characteristics:
World-record speed of 133 MFLOPS/160 MFLOPS.
8 megabyte (1 million word) main memory.
In order to increase the speed of this system, the Cray-1 had a unique "C" shape which enabled integrated circuits to be closer together.
No wire in the system was more than four feet long.
To handle the intense heat generated by the computer, Cray developed an innovative refrigeration system using Freon.
KSR1
Date(s) of the project: 1992 Company or University: Kendal Square Research Corp. Characteristics:
A virtual shared-memory machine.
KSR called their memory system ALLCACHE.
Could get 8-1088 processors. 50 ns clock rate. 32 MB memory per processor
The "Earth Simulator" is currently number 1. It consists of 640 nodes, each of which is an 8-processor vector machine. So a total of 5120 processors. Each node has 16GB of memory, for a total of 10TB across the whole machine. The interconncetion network is a 640x640 crossbar network. The machine achieved 35.86 Tflops on the linpack benchmark.
»www.post-gazette.com/pg/04274/387918.stm
The Red Storm computer being built at Sandia will be capable of up to 41.5 teraflops when it is completed next year, which likely will make it the world's most powerful. Earlier this week, IBM said its unfinished Blue Gene L System is sustaining speeds of 36 teraflops, which unofficially makes it the fastest for now.
»www.newscientist.com/news/news.j···99996631
More about the Big BlueGene/L from the article:
But it remains to be seen just how stable the system will be once completed. Among its ultimate tasks, the completed version of BlueGene/L will be used to carry out complex simulations designed to assess the condition of ageing nuclear weapons | |
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| Upgrade Sure, the speed is impressive, but where are ya gonna get a 52,000,000X DVD-RW drive to go with it? Heck, I figure one of these monkeys will end up in a Cambodian alley somewhere cranking out DVD-R copies of The Incredibles at 1/8th of a second per. | |
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