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pcdebb
Buttercup sees you
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Tampa, FL
clubs:  | Re: WHAT! SON OF A B*TCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!??? GRRRR I CAN PUNCH THIS COMPUTER RIGHT NOW!!!!
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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Inman, SC | Re: WHAT! I guess they contracted a bunch of out of work rednecks to lay the fiber, with the instruction "We don't care how it's done, just do it". | |
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WhatUsay
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MotherNature 
Gilitar
| Re: WHAT! Heh,I never saw rednecks in florida! You better look at those crews more closely!
Burritos anyone? | |
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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Inman, SC | Re: WHAT! That is true, however I really didn't want to go there  | |
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MotherNature
Chile peppers are my heroin
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Fontana, CA | Si senor. | |
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pv8man666
@in.us | what! you've got to be kidding me | |
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TooFunny
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MuDvAyNe
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Guess they should have used Verizon WISP said by TooFunny:
...to get those underground utility downloads faster.
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
VIP
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Auburn Hills, MI | 1-800 miss dig I Think Verizon forgot to call 800 miss dig, lol | |
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disorder
Useful Idiot
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Alexandria, VA
clubs: | Re: 1-800 miss dig They have been struct by hurricanes and now this? Sucks for Florida.  | |
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Everett, MA
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| Re: 1-800 miss dig Bad years for Florida ?
This is what happens when your brother helps you steal an election. Karma is all I can say lol.
Kind of sucks for them though. Gotta hurt to be so close yet so far.
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Mospaw
What time is it again?
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Las Vegas, NV | FIOS = CHAOS It's amazing how the fiber is causing all this problem when the copper seems to have been laid with very little fanfare.
Looks like it's time for Verizon to find a new fiber installation contractor. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Re: FIOS = CHAOS said by Mospaw :It's amazing how the fiber is causing all this problem when the copper seems to have been laid with very little fanfare. That's because when all the copper was buried long ago, there were far fewer pipes, sewers, electrical cables and whatnot underground. Verizon is laying fiber optic cable in heavily populated areas with many obstacles beneath the ground that were not there previously.
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72276539
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Atlanta, GA
| Re: FIOS = CHAOS said by pnh102 : said by Mospaw :It's amazing how the fiber is causing all this problem when the copper seems to have been laid with very little fanfare. That's because when all the copper was buried long ago, there were far fewer pipes, sewers, electrical cables and whatnot underground. Verizon is laying fiber optic cable in heavily populated areas with many obstacles beneath the ground that were not there previously. And who knows how much of the previous buried stuff was actually marked correctly. Or if company X buried gas pipes, was bought by Y who then sold the route to Q who then took the route and spun it off making company M. You really think in a situation like what I described accurate records were passed along?
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
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join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
clubs: | Doth mine eyes deceive me?
pnh102 is actually posting a comment that wasn't EXTREMELY anti-RBOC?
Somebody buy Satan a sweater. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: FIOS = CHAOS Hell Hath Frozen Over.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: FIOS = CHAOS said by BosstonesOwn :Hell Hath Frozen Over. I sent hand warmers and an electric blanket I appreciate that... I am still wondering what the heck happened to fall. Its like summer ended and we went straight into winter. I'm freezing my b@!!$ off!
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Quentin
Xeno-Wolf
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AB, Canada
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| Re: FIOS = CHAOS Totally of topic from Verizon, but up here in canada, its opposite, Here in Alberta, were actually getting a fall!  usually winter (snow) starts by the end of october, and continues till march. this november has been like a real fall for once. It snowed, but then melted, and has stayed like that for a few weeks.
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Slidetbone
Mazin Go
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join:2002-11-10
Land O Lakes, FL
| That's because when all the copper was buried long ago, there were far fewer pipes, sewers, electrical cables and whatnot underground. Verizon is laying fiber optic cable in heavily populated areas with many obstacles beneath the ground that were not there previously.
RIGHT ON THE MONEY!
It's happening to Tampa and will happen to every other metro area covered by Verizon that is pending FIOS.
The city will blame them for the broken pipes but who is blaming the city for the outdated plans? | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: FIOS = CHAOS said by Slidetbone :The city will blame them for the broken pipes but who is blaming the city for the outdated plans? I agree with you 100%. All the franchise fees that municipal governments eagerly collect from telegraph and cable TV subscribers are supposed to be used to keep track of where all of this stuff is underground. Someone needs to investigate why certain municipal governments are not taking this responsibility seriously.
And yes, it is a serious public safety issue. All it takes is one axe to a gas pipeline to cause a massive explosion which can hurt or kill many people.
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Who in the world is Venison hiring to do this work. Must be lowest bid incompetents. I have seen this before, rather then get the best to do the job, they hire the cheapest and now they are going to pay, and pay, and pay. My Spell check changed Verison's name to Venison I like it.:)
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MY HEAD A SPLODE
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Manchester, NH
| Re: Who in the world is You're probably right. They couldn't outsource that work to India or China, so they hired the cheapest untrained chimps they could find to lay the fiber for them.
Hopefully eventually these greedy corporations will pull their heads out of their fat A$$E$ and realize that you get what you pay for. Either pay now, or you end up paying more later!
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: Who in the world is said by kpatz :Either pay now, or you end up paying more later! But if you pay more now, your short term profit falls significantly
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Verona, PA
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higher price != higher intelligence
said by kpatz :Hopefully eventually these greedy corporations will pull their heads out of their fat A$$E$ and realize that you get what you pay for. so what we now hire the highest bidder? How in the hell does that make sense. Unless they hired the company knowing that the people were re-re's, what's the problem?
said by kpatz :Either pay now, or you end up paying more later! I doubt verizon will end up paying much for this. The contractors insurance company on the other hand....
when did I wake up in bizarro world.
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| OMG does Florida have a "Call before you dig" program? course even if it does not enough people use it(its free usually) and end up fried when they stick a backhoe into that 13Kv street feeder power line.
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Hanover, MA | LOL!!! LOL you sure you dont mean 1-800-dig-safe:D | |
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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| Re: LOL!!! said by camarozz2828 :LOL you sure you dont mean 1-800-dig-safe:D 1-888-dig-safe is the number for MA, ME, NH, RI, VT. Connecticut has their own plan, as does New York. Florida is covered by Sunshine State One Call of Florida, Inc. (800) 432-4770. Check out »www.digsafe.com for more info. From their FAQ:
Q: I need to dig very close to the markings. How deep are the underground lines?
A: The depth of underground facilities is variable, therefore state law requires excavators to use non-mechanical means when digging within 18" of a marked underground facility. The current depth of a facility might not be the same as when it was originally installed, due to soil erosion, grading and many other factors. To ensure the safety of excavators and avoid utility disruption, it makes sense to hand dig when working near an underground facility.
Utility location records are very often inaccurate, especially when pulled from old drawings. Consider what heppens in a case where the records are off by 4 feet (not uncommon). As a contractor, you know the utility is there, and you plan on hand digging within 3 feet (more caution than what is required by law). So your backhoe operator is proceeding as planned, when boom! you've pulled up a gas line.
Of course you can hire lots of people to hand dig the whole thing. Then you'd protest the cost of the services provided. You do get what you pay for.
I doubt that Billy Bob's Backhoe and Lawncare Service are the contractors. The records are off. | |
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join:2002-01-15
Glendale, CA
| There are other possible issues Its not as easy to miss lines as you guys think. I am an engineer at a mainly surveying company. I guess it depends how they went about digging up the street, etc. The survey company might have been off, or maybe whatever plans they were using could have been off, or like was noted, the company digging probably are a bunch of morons. But there could have been other factors in this besides the people digging. Not sure how tight of control the surveys are in Florida. | |
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verolom
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Eatontown, NJ | Wrong priorities Who needs water and gas? Give people broadband!  | |
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KyleC
Nikon Guy
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Irving, TX
clubs: | Re: Wrong priorities now we just need to figure out how to get water gas and electric over fiber
WGEOFTTP
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| Re: Wrong priorities disorder They have been struct by hurricanes and now this? Sucks for Florida.
No Shit. It looks like these guys have no clue what the hell they are doing. | |
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join:2001-01-22
Hollis, NH | GREAT NEWS!!! AWESOME!!!
Frees up Line workers for communities with over hanging lines!:D | |
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Venison
@speakeasy.n | We Destroy Progress Everyday. What else did you expect from us? | |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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"Frankly, I don't really blame them for issuing that. They have to be concerned about the health and well-being of their constituents, just as we are," Verizon spokesman Bob Elek said.
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ltship
join:2002-08-11
Sturgeon Bay, WI
|  Locating Underground utilities and Contractors
I have only seen 1 gas/electric utility owner who's "prints" were within 90% accurate, but I also know they were working hard to get it to 99%. Also, I bet the contractor(s) are working on a drop dead time line with penalties..
I could go on and on about buried utilities and all the good/bad issues, but the stop order was the right thing to do. Luckly there was no loss of life. | |
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join:2002-08-11
Sturgeon Bay, WI
| Re: Not Verizon's failt Locating is not an exact science.. and the deeper they bury the utilities, the more inaccurate the locating equipment will show the line. In some states the mark is allowed to be 18-24" to the left and right of the mark.. allot of people do not understand that.. so they dig 6 inches off the mark and// wham.. when the marks are really off, there can be other issues that make the equipment read incorrectly.. like gas on top of electric, throw in some CATV, and some good old MaBell fiber.. and your pulling your hair out as your equipment jumps all over the place.. then we get into the realm of old plant.. copper cables 30-40 yrs old.. cut off and buried as new was put in.. or old steel gas lines abandoned.. the telco locator comes in and marks.. but has no idea about the old gas lines.. so he bleeds off onto the old gas line.. and probably the gas locator doesn't have the old lines on his prints either, so they can't catch the mis-mark.. as far as which side of the street the utility is allot of phone prints just tell you there is something buried along the street.. maybe on which side.. but that's just a crap shoot sometimes..
for the small sewer line.. that's easy to mess up.. if it does not have a trace wire.. and the print measurements were inaccurate when it was installed.. or a contractor "moved" it out of the way because it was in his way.. it's going to happen.
To be honest, there is so much active and abandoned stuff in the ground, it was not until a few years ago that utility owners were mandated to track their abandoned plant or remove it.
A "trained" Locator who knows his craft can overcome allot of these issues, but they are not perfect. It take 1 yr or more to get a locator feeling comfortable with his job.. but along the way, he will have a damage before the year is out. Even the Veterans with allot of years take hits too.. it's not perfect.. but they try with what they have to work with.
Contractors.. there are some who excel in hand digging or using a vac truck and verifying where the cables are located.. and if they can't find them.. they imed call for a relocate and talk to the locators.. and work closely with the locators all the time.. I enjoyed working with them.. but then you have others who use the "hi-ho" or backhoe machine to do the digging to find the cable.. and yup.. they find them! There are also contractors who knew the lines were there, but just cut right threw them anyway, because time is money.. or as the locator is putting down his paint and flags, the bulldozer is right behind him ripping it all up..
So my hat is off to the professionals who work 24/7 to protect the lines, and the contractors who follow the local laws and dig safe.. and who work together..
p.s... allot of old sewer lines.. do not have trace wires.. so it's measure by print.. fun eh.. | |
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Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | some of the bigger locater companies nowdays are using radar type systems to do their scans.
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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·Armstrong Zoom In..
| Expansion Question... if you have never seen a Verizon internet (not wireless "Can you hear me now") commercial then now see one (yet Verizon does not cover this area with internet), does that mean they are planning a local deployment?
A week ago I saw a Verizon broadband internet commercial on TV for the first time yet they do not currently cover this area. Interesting... | |
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | It's gotta be difficult They're building the new Busch stadium just two blocks from where I work and they've had to evacuate parts of downtown St Louis three times already because of construction workers breaking gas lines. Construction just isn't easy. | |
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join:2004-05-10
Forked River, NJ | poles Jeez we never had all these problems before all utilities had to be buried. Might have looked ugly but at least you knew where it was. My 2 cents | |
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Bottom line companies need to keep better records.