FCC Study Slams 'A La Carte'NCTA, cable execs applaud findings ( old news - 02:13PM Friday Nov 19 2004) The FCC has released their findings on "A La Carte" cable pricing, and they mirror the predictions of the cable industry (and their lobbyists). The FCC says the practice (allowing users to pick and choses the channels they want) would only result in higher prices; something consumer groups quickly criticized. "The study was rigged against consumers in favor of large cable companies, giant broadcasters and other media behemoths," says Gene Kimmelman of the Consumer's Union, publishers of Consumer Reports (see press release). The NCTA said the opposite, claiming the study was a validation of their belief A La Carte would result in "higher prices, fewer choices and less diversity in programming". The study is available in pdf format here.
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 |  |  mikeg826
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| Re: I'm shocked! said by B52GUNR :No, really! I'm actually shocked the FCC even bothered to get up off their knees long enough to clean their chin and publish something. LMAO | |
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| Re: I'm shocked! said by mikeg826 : said by B52GUNR :No, really! I'm actually shocked the FCC even bothered to get up off their knees long enough to clean their chin and publish something. LMAO For the amount that people around here that laugh their asses off at even the remotest hint of humor, you'd think they'd all be walking around with their pants at their ankles due to their lack of a rear end. -- Bipartisan politics has become a tallest midget contest. | |
|  |  krobar Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15 Columbus, OH | *sigh* well said, well said indeed.  | |
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| Ok have it your way, force bundling.. but don't be surprised when LARGE streams of content from cable tv get encoded... for now it's just the shows (sitcoms, etc) but soon it will be ALL content, cnn breaking news, local channels, no channels are safe anymore.. those divx encoders will be working overtime baby... oh well... It will be interesting to see content from local networks in other states, sports feeds, premium content... etc etc First it was PSTN (telephone network) to get revolutionized, now it will Be catv's forced bundling that forces tha divx 24/7 show-time!!! Sigh,, | |
|   Some Random Dude
@151.143.x.x | I no longer believe... ...the US government represents "the people".
We live in an age when corporations pull the strings and the government marionettes dance.
Welcome to the New World(tm). | |
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| Re: I no longer believe... said by Some Random Dude:
...the US government represents "the people". You got that right.
If I want a channel that's not in my "package", I have to buy another package, even though there are 30 channels in my current package I never, ever watch.
That's the flaw in the argument. I can't trade channels to see what I want - I'm forced to buy high $ packages to get what interests me.
As for channel surfing, since the networks bought into the cable channels there's very little original programming. Endless reruns of network shows - wow. Just how much Law & Order do we need to see? ESPN no longer carries sports - they just talk about it a lot. No, thanks. | |
|  |  |   MisfitWitch
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| Re: I no longer believe... And I thought it was just me paying $60/mo (2nd lowest package) for nothing more than a clear picture and endless variety of commercials that will change my life.
Personally, I could give a crap less about packages yadda yadda - I want more than ONE cable co in my area, only then will prices begin to be reasonable.
Misfit -- I am NOT a human. | |
|  joebear29
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| Anyone know how the study was flawed? I know consumer groups say its flawed, but how so?
I've never been a big believer in a la carte programming saving money - it seems to me that everyone is subsidizing the others viewing habits to a large degree, and it's all a wash - but I would be interested in specific criticisms of the study. | |
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| Re: Anyone know how the study was flawed? Read page 23 of the study (and the following pages). Its all "Comcast states", "Charter states", "Warner states", "Disney states" and then the report goes on to accept the statements from the large cable companies as the correct answer, with minimal consideration of any other point of view. | |
|  |  |  joebear29
join:2003-07-20 Alabaster, AL | Re: Anyone know how the study was flawed? Did you read pages 21 & 22? It has comments from the Consumers Union of America and other anti-bundling groups. There are several other places in the report where it lists views from non-cable/satellite companies. | |
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| Re: Anyone know how the study was flawed? I read them... keep reading. The report goes on & on about how the cable co's are going to have higher costs because consumers are too stupid to pick a package on their own, etc etc etc. The report promptly dismisses any views supporting a la carte, and instead accepts the cable cos views. I thought the FCC was to represent the interest of the general popluation? How hard would it have been for them to come to a conclusion that cable cos should offer a la carte side by side with packages? | |
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join:2003-07-20 Alabaster, AL | Re: Anyone know how the study was flawed? Given the facts in the report, it would be very hard to come to that conclusion. | |
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| Terrible conclusions I just read the report, and they deem that a la carte isn't worth it, because out monthly bill would rise based on the national average amount of channels each person receives. Sucks for those of use who only want 2 or 3 channels (the report concludes that people who would purchase 9 or less channels would face a reduction in their bills). The report goes on to say that *any* form of a la carte would result in additional expenses for the operators.
On top of that, they deem that video on demand and DVRs and increased broadband adoption will enable viewers to choose their own programming, whenever they want... | |
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| Re: Terrible conclusions I gets better. They deem that channel surfing is now an integral part of watching tv (and something that viewers find very valuable), and that a la carte programming would reduce channel surfing, therfore tv "viewership" would go down! Wasn't that part of the point in a la carte? | |
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| Re: Terrible conclusions VALUABLE??? The only reason people channel surf is because of all the CRAP programming that is put out now a days, and when you do have a couple of programs you like you have to flip flop because of all of the advertisements that you are bombarded with. | |
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| Re: Terrible conclusions How are you supposed to be surfing with these slow-assed cable boxes that sometimes even miss changing the channel, and which a Comcast employee said herself to me once that the tuner box "isn't meant for channel surfing"?
Why do people "channel surf"? Cuz there's 30 channels of crap in between the shows they like! That's why! | |
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| A La Carte Cable Pricing This is really a silly issue. If you cannot afford $50 - $60 per month for cable then you shouldn't have it. Most people enjoy flipping through all 90 channels or so on occasion just to see if anything is interesting on one of the channels -- even though they may end up usually watching a few stations regularly. Penny pinchers should not dictate pricing for the rest of us. | |
|  |  xirian Premium join:2003-01-26 Beacon, NY
| Re: A La Carte Cable Pricing I have iO, tons of channels. I only actually ever watch 10 or 15 of them. The rest I dont see any use for. Think of it, why pay for something you dont want? People can afford it, but do that want to spend all that money to get the little bit they do want? | |
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| Re: A La Carte Cable Pricing The report gives the example of the Golf channel which started out as a la carte channel and was teetering on the verge of bankrupcty until they finally managed to become part of one of the packages... Should tell you something about how many people actually want to watch the content of plenty of these bundled channels. | |
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1 edit | Re: A La Carte Cable Pricing quote: Should tell you something about how many people actually want to watch the content of plenty of these bundled channels.
Which is precisely why some channels need to die. If a channel can't stand on it's own, then it's a crappy channel.
Sorry, but having 40 sports channels isn't something I need. Hell, the sports channels never show sports anymore! They talk about sports. Remember when ESPN was good because it showed sports all the time? Now, you have to subscribe to, get this, a la carte sports channels in the digital sections.
SHOCK
We're already in 'a la carte', people. We're just stuck with dozens of crappy packages that we think might have stuff we want, when the a la carte stuff actually carries most of it. This is especially true of sports (and lord knows there are thousands of sports channels it seems)
I have lovely 'silver digital' packages from Comcast. In all, I watch perhaps 8 channels--TOTAL. I'm forced to endure 300 channels of crap I don't want to watch to see the 2.7% of my package (read: "Give us money!") I want to view.  | |
|  |  TheWickerMan
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| said by WarrenMan:
This is really a silly issue. If you cannot afford $50 - $60 per month for cable then you shouldn't have it. Most people enjoy flipping through all 90 channels or so on occasion just to see if anything is interesting on one of the channels -- even though they may end up usually watching a few stations regularly. Penny pinchers should not dictate pricing for the rest of us. I can see your point, but I don't completely agree with it. There are some channels I will never watch, like those shopping or sports channels. If I could, I'd drop them like a bad habit. | |
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join:2002-09-24 Charlotte, NC | Re: A La Carte Cable Pricing The shopping channels actually pay the cable company to be included in these packages. If you take them off, your bill will go up. | |
|  |   bistro777 Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do? Premium,MVM join:2002-02-07 Englewood, CO
| If I buy an order of chicken wings, odds are Im gonna eat all of em. If I buy a six-pack, count on that being consumed, too.
So why force me to buy every chicken and brand of beer in the supermarket when I just walk by them to get what I really want?
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|  |  |   John Galt What...me panic?? Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
1 edit | Re: A La Carte Cable Pricing said by bistro777 :If I buy an order of chicken wings, odds are Im gonna eat all of em. If I buy a six-pack, count on that being consumed, too. So why force me to buy every chicken and brand of beer in the supermarket when I just walk by them to get what I really want? You raise a good point...
Imagine if your local supermarket operated this way. They would have carts pre-filled at the door and you would buy the whole cart, regardless of whether or not you needed all of the items.
Doesn't seem very realistic, does it?
Hey, but you would save money, right??

Their argument would be that if they didn't do things this way, they would go out of business.
Does this sound familiar? -- A is A | |
|  |   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| When I channel surf, I normally end up on one of a small set (about 10 including local network channels) of stations despite there being something on the order of 80 stations in my base package. If I could eliminate the stations that I never land on (e.g. Spanish language station), I wouldn't stop channel surfing. I would simply become a more efficient channel surfer. I'd be able to switch between stations a lot quicker and thus figure out what show (if any) I wanted to watch. -- -Jason Levine http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/ http://www.PCQandA.com/ http://www.urateit.com/ | |
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| This is really a silly issue. If you cannot afford $50 - $60 per month for cable then you shouldn't have it. Most people enjoy flipping through all 90 channels or so on occasion just to see if anything is interesting on one of the channels -- even though they may end up usually watching a few stations regularly. Penny pinchers should not dictate pricing for the rest of us. So every time I go to Wal-Mart, I should buy one of everything in the store, or stay away? Good reasoning. | |
|   SequimPC Got Fiber? Premium join:2004-02-11 Sequim, WA
| A La Mode I would like to see an A La Mode approach. You know, you have your basic channels, then you add X number of channels for a price, but the packages are customizable.
They want me to be subject to them. When did businesses get so damn cocky? I thought the Customer was always right, but the government agencies that dictate policy to us say otherwise. America is no longer by the people for the people, it's by the elite for the elite.
It's not usually about what's best fo us either, it's about what profits a man if he loses his soul. -- First rule of fiber optics: you do not talk about fiber optics | |
|  |   John Galt What...me panic?? Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
| Re: A La Mode said by SequimPC :When did businesses get so damn cocky? I thought the Customer was always right, but the government agencies that dictate policy to us say otherwise. No, no, no...where have you been?
Now, it 'you're just a customer, so f*ck you'.
You need to get with the times...
(I can say this because I have worked for cable companies that actually had this opinion as a matter of 'policy'. Their attitude was 'they'll take what we give them' and if they don't like it, we'll disconnect them.) -- A is A | |
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| Re: A La Mode We as consumers are partially to blame here, as over time we have come to view luxuries as outright necessities. Customer service becomes a nonissue once the product is one that the buyer can't live without. I had cable since it was first available, and I finally got rid of it 5 years ago. It amazes me even now how much I don't miss it. It leaves me in an awkward state of ignorance sometimes as people reference programs or commercials that I may not have heard of, but otherwise I still seem be alive and well.
I still watch lots of movies or play games on my entertainment center, so it still gets frequent use, and the money I save on the cable pipe can go towards new DVDs - the last bastion of reasonably priced mass media. | |
|  |  |  |   SequimPC Got Fiber? Premium join:2004-02-11 Sequim, WA
| Re: A La Mode That sounds so familiar. I quit watching TV after I noticed I was feeling depressed after watching the 11 O'clock news. I check the broadband News streams from time to time and really like the Canadian stations for a different view on american news. Other than that I don't miss it anymore.
As for the cable companies that don't care about you. I see that where I live with one company in particular and vow to learn all I can about alternatives to them and point people in that direction. -- First rule of fiber optics: you do not talk about fiber optics | |
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join:2001-10-10 Edison, NJ | Sports channels should be a la carte. Peroid. And this is coming from a baseball fan. I would have no problem paying extra. Sports programming is one of the biggest costs to cable operators. | |
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| I agree with it As much as I would love to save money, and would love to just stick with the 10-15 or so channels I actually watch on a regular basis I think A La carte would end up hurting in the long run. Some channels would definitely go out of business making our choices less. You may say then that just shows they are not getting enough viewers, but certain channels are targeted for a specific group of people. You start Al La Carte and you are going to end up with a lot less selection. The only time I think a la carte is good is if a certain channel cost considerable amount more than the rest such as the sports channels. It makes since to me that if the cable company blames some rate hikes on certain channels, then those certain channels need to be a la carte so it doesn't affect everyone as much. That way those high cost channels can actually see if they are worth the price they think they are worth when consumers act with their wallets by not paying extra for them..
Just my thoughts. Phatty | |
|   footballdude
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| Rigged "The study was rigged against consumers in favor of large cable companies, giant broadcasters and other media behemoths," says Gene Kimmelman of the Consumer's Union.
The ruling doesn't say what he'd like, so automatically 'The study was rigged'. When my three year old acts like that I punish her. | |
|   mikeky Premium join:2001-12-07 Kentucky
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| Makes sense... The cable companies must make a certain average rate off all its customers in order to stay in business. If the majority of customers drop channels, then their only recourse will be to raise rates of individual channels to get the rate back to the average, with the end result the consumers get less for the same price. As a side effect, specialty channels and the diversity these represent will disappear, no longer subsidized by the other channels. -- It's easy to conclude you're right if you never listen to the other side. -John Breaux | |
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  MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10 San Diego, CA
| ... Well, for my own purposes, I can name the channels I watch.
•UPN •SpikeTV •Sci-Fi Channel •FOX
That's it. 4 channels.
Let's assume an a-la-carte starting price of $5/channel. My bill would be $20/month for JUST CABLE. I think it's a great idea. Couple that with $13 for DVR which I would more than happily pay, $40 for internet and $10 for phone. We're talking $80-$90 for the whole shot, a $30/month or $360/year savings over what I pay now. It makes a difference.
Call it me, but I think that whatever they used to determine whether or not this is a good idea is flawed. Why is it that people can choose "a-la-carte" phone features, but not cable channels? I know they pay residual to the networks, that's fine. What I'm saying is, how is it really any different? Would some people rather prefer to pay more for custom channels than to be forced into a high amount of channels?
In other words, why can't they just charge me for the channels I'd like? Why can the telephone be customized with individual features but not the cable? Charging a price is charging a price; it's the same concept. | |
|  |  |  |  |   garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY
| Re: ... Oh please. You are assuming the cable co's don't make any money off of their customers.
Fact is, if the consumers were to wake up and demand ala carte, and turned off cable until they got it, you can bet your boots ala carte would be initiated.
Back in '80, ala carte was all the rage with cable (in my experience). What is so different now?
Your argument is flawed as it doesn't explain at what threshold "not making much money" is at. I'm quite sure the public TV stations in this country aren't making anything, short of keeping the lights on and paying their workers and paying for content. Yes, they get subsidies that help them, but far more comes from "viewers like you". By your argument, public TV wouldn't exist at all.
It is a service, and the service providers should have no issues with giving the public what they want. There isn't a demonstrative reason as to why they can't offer both side by side, other than pure greed. The FCC is a cabinet of the federal government, and as such should be representing consumers and protecting them from getting ripped off (which is what is happening with cable-you don't get what you pay for). | |
|  |   marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| said by MisterMarcus :Well, for my own purposes, I can name the channels I watch. •UPN •SpikeTV •Sci-Fi Channel •FOX
That's it. 4 channels. Here's the most likely scenario for each of those channels (those 4 happen to be good example choices). UPN would most likely stay around, but would have to cut most of its original programming except WWE Smackdown and Enterprise. UPN would probably also drop down to two nights a week network programming (rest of the time would be infomercial, shopping networks, or local affiliate programming and syndication). SpikeTV would severly cut back on original program and rely on its flagship programs (WWE Raw in particular); it would also probably become a shopping network during the day. Sci-Fi has already declared that in an a la carte scenario they would drop absolutely all original program and rely solely on movies and syndicated shows, most likely splitting air time with another channel. FOX would vary depending on which channels you are talking about. FoxNews would have no problem staying on the air. Broadcast fox as well. Fox Family would probably disappear alogether as well as many of the local FSN affiliates. FSN itself would cut back signficantly on its coverage, being limited to existing major pro sports rights that could be transfered over from the broadcast network. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://whip.isca.uiowa.edu Member: American Association of Geographers, American Geophysical Union, American Water Resources Association | |
|  |  |   MisterMarcus
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1 edit | Re: ... said by marigolds : Here's the most likely scenario for each of those channels (those 4 happen to be good example choices). UPN would most likely stay around, but would have to cut most of its original programming except WWE Smackdown and Enterprise. UPN would probably also drop down to two nights a week network programming (rest of the time would be infomercial, shopping networks, or local affiliate programming and syndication). SpikeTV would severly cut back on original program and rely on its flagship programs (WWE Raw in particular); it would also probably become a shopping network during the day. Sci-Fi has already declared that in an a la carte scenario they would drop absolutely all original program and rely solely on movies and syndicated shows, most likely splitting air time with another channel. FOX would vary depending on which channels you are talking about. FoxNews would have no problem staying on the air. Broadcast fox as well. Fox Family would probably disappear alogether as well as many of the local FSN affiliates. FSN itself would cut back signficantly on its coverage, being limited to existing major pro sports rights that could be transfered over from the broadcast network. I seriously don't think that's the case. Not at the price I threw out there.
There IS something in common about all 4 of the channels I selected; they have shows that cater to male population. UPN is trying to be hybrid with Kevin Hill and that other show, and Fox doesn't know what it wants. By the way, when I say Fox, I mean XETV6.
WWE fans will pick UPN and Spike by default. MXC fans will pick Spike by default. Sci Fi is a given; it will make more money on a-la-carte than it does now, given that the price per channel would naturally be higher to make up for what's lost in separating the packages, but my point is I would be willing to pay more per channel to get those four, than to be overcharged for 117 I don't watch. It's only $20/month difference from the cable part now, but that's still $240 a year I could pocket.
Cox has other ways of making money too. It's called marketing. If you get more HD channels, people will buy it. Discovery HD, PBSHD, and INHD/2 are not enough to keep that product afloat. What about UPNHD? FoxHD (the GOOD shows, not the crap)? WBHD (and not just Smallville)? Those three channels alone will get people buying it. Digital Telephone sells itself. Again, they're making $4/month over what Caller ID is really worth, per customer, and that adds up. QUICKLY. "Franchise Fee"? Trust me, I don't think Cox is so strapped that it cannot do the customer a favor by letting us pick and choose.
In my math, it's to their benefit. If you have a $40 package of 120 channels, that's about $.34/channel. I'm willing to pay $5 per channel, for the 4 that I choose. Some guy named Biff out in Colorado will want all the sports channels, for sure. Sell a package. Grandma in Louisiana will want any channel that has a soap on it. That's what...10-15 channels? $5/apiece? Tell her it's $50 if she wants just those channels, or get the whole suite of channels for just $40 and save money. Which do you think Grandma will take?
That's my point. I think if it actually DOES benefit the customer to go with the package based off of the number of channels they want, then the package should be marketed. But in my case, where I only want 4 channels, I think I should be allowed to pick 4 channels instead of being forced into a package where I'm actually overpaying and can't do anything about it.
EDIT: One other thing. At the very least, AT THE VERY LEAST, the "Digital Cable" needs to be revisited. $13 for basic, $39.95 for "Expanded", $7 for "digital gateway" = way too much money. Especially since they KNOW the more popular channels are on the "Expanded" set. Why not make it fair? $10 for basic, +$10 for "Expanded", or $40 for all channels? Where the Basic is what it is now, "Expanded" is 20 channels above that, and all channels is a package deal? That way, instead of $60 I pay just to have my 4 channels, I pay $20? I'd do that, no problem, because it serves the same goal. Adding DVR is just another $13 - $33 is a LOT better looking than $60. | |
|  |  |  |   marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| Re: ... said by MisterMarcus : said by marigolds : Here's the most likely scenario for each of those channels (those 4 happen to be good example choices). UPN would most likely stay around, but would have to cut most of its original programming except WWE Smackdown and Enterprise. UPN would probably also drop down to two nights a week network programming (rest of the time would be infomercial, shopping networks, or local affiliate programming and syndication). SpikeTV would severly cut back on original program and rely on its flagship programs (WWE Raw in particular); it would also probably become a shopping network during the day. Sci-Fi has already declared that in an a la carte scenario they would drop absolutely all original program and rely solely on movies and syndicated shows, most likely splitting air time with another channel. FOX would vary depending on which channels you are talking about. FoxNews would have no problem staying on the air. Broadcast fox as well. Fox Family would probably disappear alogether as well as many of the local FSN affiliates. FSN itself would cut back signficantly on its coverage, being limited to existing major pro sports rights that could be transfered over from the broadcast network. I seriously don't think that's the case. Not at the price I threw out there. There IS something in common about all 4 of the channels I selected; they have shows that cater to male population. UPN is trying to be hybrid with Kevin Hill and that other show, and Fox doesn't know what it wants. By the way, when I say Fox, I mean XETV6. WWE fans will pick UPN and Spike by default. MXC fans will pick Spike by default. Sci Fi is a given; it will make more money on a-la-carte than it does now, given that the price per channel would naturally be higher to make up for what's lost in separating the packages, but my point is I would be willing to pay more per channel to get those four, than to be overcharged for 117 I don't watch. It's only $20/month difference from the cable part now, but that's still $240 a year I could pocket. Cox has other ways of making money too. It's called marketing. If you get more HD channels, people will buy it. Discovery HD, PBSHD, and INHD/2 are not enough to keep that product afloat. What about UPNHD? FoxHD (the GOOD shows, not the crap)? WBHD (and not just Smallville)? Those three channels alone will get people buying it. Digital Telephone sells itself. Again, they're making $4/month over what Caller ID is really worth, per customer, and that adds up. QUICKLY. "Franchise Fee"? Trust me, I don't think Cox is so strapped that it cannot do the customer a favor by letting us pick and choose. In my math, it's to their benefit. If you have a $40 package of 120 channels, that's about $.34/channel. I'm willing to pay $5 per channel, for the 4 that I choose. Some guy named Biff out in Colorado will want all the sports channels, for sure. Sell a package. Grandma in Louisiana will want any channel that has a soap on it. That's what...10-15 channels? $5/apiece? Tell her it's $50 if she wants just those channels, or get the whole suite of channels for just $40 and save money. Which do you think Grandma will take? That's my point. I think if it actually DOES benefit the customer to go with the package based off of the number of channels they want, then the package should be marketed. But in my case, where I only want 4 channels, I think I should be allowed to pick 4 channels instead of being forced into a package where I'm actually overpaying and can't do anything about it. EDIT: One other thing. At the very least, AT THE VERY LEAST, the "Digital Cable" needs to be revisited. $13 for basic, $39.95 for "Expanded", $7 for "digital gateway" = way too much money. Especially since they KNOW the more popular channels are on the "Expanded" set. Why not make it fair? $10 for basic, +$10 for "Expanded", or $40 for all channels? Where the Basic is what it is now, "Expanded" is 20 channels above that, and all channels is a package deal? That way, instead of $60 I pay just to have my 4 channels, I pay $20? I'd do that, no problem, because it serves the same goal. Adding DVR is just another $13 - $33 is a LOT better looking than $60. The problem is that while you are willing to pay $5/channel for these channels, not many people are. Sci-Fi in particular has a very small but dedicated viewer base and they have done their a la carte projections based on the idea of subscribers paying $7-$9/channel. I have not seen any a la carte projects for Spike, but they would have a lot of trouble retaining the WWE contract using a la carte numbers. WWE would want bigger viewer numbers than Spike can provide a la carte and WWE already dislikes Viacom. You probably are looking at around the $5-$7/month range for Spike and maybe higher (but they have to stay out of double digits or else they edge too close to the cost of WWE pay per views). And, of course, if WWE jumped back to USA as they have been threatening to do, then Spike could pretty much fold under an a la carte scenario.
UPN and Fox broadcast affiliates are must carry anyway, no matter what you will have to receive them. I figured you were talking about the national UPN feeds or the cable fox channels. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://whip.isca.uiowa.edu Member: American Association of Geographers, American Geophysical Union, American Water Resources Association | |
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join:2001-12-14 Tyler, TX
| al a carte a la carte has it's pro's and cons, i would rather like to see more organized cable packages. if i want to have cartoons, i order the cartoon package (disney, nick, c/n so - on). if i want sports, i'll lay down on the operating table and have a kidney removed then they'll give me the sports package, if i want to see my wife sit on the couch with a box of hanky's for hours, i'll get the estragene package. if i want music/pop culture i'll get the i claim to be a music channel, but i haven't shown the slightest resemblance to music in 5 years package. this way the lower rated cult channels still stay around, i just only get the one's that are within my interest. a year or so ago a applauded dish network for standing up against viacom. for 3 days i didn't miss cbs, or mtv the least little bit, hell i never even noticed they were gone. but my daughter let me know all too often that nick was gone... i'm still disapointed that dish network gave in | |
|  Skunko
join:2000-10-12 Texas | cable There is no way they would offer "A la Carte" programming. Imagine a cable tech having to go to every house to put on 50+ Cable filters. It wouldnt be feasible one bit. | |
|  |   John Galt What...me panic?? Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
1 edit | Re: cable said by Skunko :There is no way they would offer "A la Carte" programming. Imagine a cable tech having to go to every house to put on 50+ Cable filters. It wouldnt be feasible one bit. I think that they have something a little more advanced in mind... -- A is A | |
|   SequimPC Got Fiber? Premium join:2004-02-11 Sequim, WA
| Wholesale? I remember reading an article here not long ago about someone streaming cable over the net from Canada. I believe it was .26 per channel wholesale. I would like to know what the terms are for the cable companies to have the channels we want to watch. I want to watch 15 channels and have access to another 15 for a total of 30. Why can't I find them and subscribe to them? I feel that with fiber optic connections and streamed television, that will become a reality. Now with Windows Media Center Edition 2005 as an option to do it yourself computer builder, you could set up one hell of an entertainment package. -- First rule of fiber optics: you do not talk about fiber optics | |
|   Mr Peabody
join:2001-01-05 Ingleside, IL
·AT&T U-Verse
| Only the Strong Will Survive... In my opinion, if we pay a flat fee per channel, only the most popular channels will last. While you may think "free marketplace, that's what they get, if no one's watching, they deserve to die, blah, blah, blah", after a while we'll end up with only the channels/shows the majority of Americans watch: CSI, Monster Garage, Everybody Loves Raymond, Extreme Makeover, Friends, one of the endless Survivor varieties, etc. Those of us that are too smart, too dumb, or just too strange to follow the popular opinion will be left holding the bag, with nothing to watch at all.
The niche channels will not survive without charging exorbitant rates to subscribers. I don't watch 95% of the channels I have on DirecTV, but the guy watching 'Snakehead Terror' on SciFi helps subsidize me watching 'World Music' on Link and vice versa. I'd rather pay $40 a month for 100 channels than have to pay $10 a month for a single channel so my wife can watch soft-core porn on Oxygen on Sunday nights. | |
|   k_o Que Hora Es? Premium join:2002-12-05 Lakeport, CA clubs:
| this is what I WANT... While discussing this with my son, we we liked some of the analogies such as the POTS al a carte, the beer n chicken, and such. We came to the conclusion that a basic $20 pkg with additional channels $1/per would be our suggestion.
You know what i really wish for is access to other cities Public Access channels. Really! I miss watching the one in SF. MST3K started out that way. In my county, there is little actual programming. Mostly, it's a powerpoint BB of the lunch menus of the senior centers. Did you know there was such a thing as International Worm Racing? Yes, Lake County has it all...
I feel it would help support the really good ones and encourage more people to check them out. Interesting that not once has the mention of amateur broadcast been mentioned in the thread. While there has been discussion of what channels would die or reduce original material, I don't feel that it would be all that bleak. If there were some more flexibility in channel selection, more interesting things could be broadcast... -- DC Cruncher for Teams ECO & Starfire * MoveOn for democracy! | |
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