Fee Fi Fo FiosOur users await giant undertaking ( old news - 02:54PM Tuesday Nov 30 2004) tags: Fiber · bandwidth From the moment the first resident of Keller Texas posted pictures of his Verizon Fios fiber install, he received adoration (and even one marriage proposal) from many of our site regulars. Users all around the country aren't waiting for Santa Clause, they're waiting for Verizon vans carrying spools of un-laid fiber optic cable. Users in deployment areas have offered us the brochures they're receiving ( zipped pdf) as well as local advertisements ( pdf 1, pdf2). The skinny for those who don't know: 5Mbps can be had for between $34.95 and $39.95 depending on the services you bundle. 15Mbps can be had for between $44.95 to $49.95. 30Mbps is currently being offered as a business service for $200 a month.  Verizon has announced that there are nine states in which deployment is currently underway: •Parts of Huntington Beach and Murrieta, as well as portions of Riverside, Orange and San Bernardino counties in California •Parts of Delaware •Parts of North Tampa (if they can stop rupturing lines), as well as Hillsborough and Pasco counties in Florida •Parts of Montgomery County in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in Maryland •Parts of Essex and Middlesex counties in Massachusetts •Parts of Nassau, Rockland and Westchester counties in New York •Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania •Parts of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex in Texas, as well as Colleyville, Grapevine and Southlake •Parts of Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties, as well as the communities of Falls Church, Leesburg and Herndon in Virginia The company is warming up users in other locations to the idea of a 2005 launch. Users in upstate New York are being told they could see fiber next year, but Verizon is "not at a point where we can identify what those communities are because those plans could change", according to an executive. One local Union leader confirms both the work, and that the service "will blow the doors off anything else, and I'm glad we're a part of it. I'm glad it's coming up here."While there should be enthusiasm, especially surrounding the 3-5,000 new jobs Verizon says the project will bring, said enthusiasm does need some tempering. The project could consume more than half a decade, and as it stands now, there are only a few scattered Texas suburbs that actually have the service up and running. Each install in Keller Texas is estimated to have cost in excess of $1,000 a pop. Those prices will make it financially necessary to cherry pick the most dense and lucrative neighborhoods over the next few years. Users currently struggling to get DSL shouldn't hold their breath for Fios. For some global perspective, the NTT Group in Japan will spend $47 billion on expanding fiber to the home for nearly half the Japanese population. Compare that to Verizon's effort: $800,000 to be spent this year, and $3 billion to be spent by the end of 2005. It's also very important to note that Verizon promises tend to be fickle mistresses. NTT's plan covers some 30 million homes and apartments, in a country where double digit megabit per second speeds can be had for the same price many Americans are paying for dial-up AOL. Verizon's plan hopes to pass (not necessarily serve) a million U.S. homes this year. Granted Japan has 336 people per mile to every 29.5 in the United States, but we've also been much less bullish on getting fiber deployed. While the United States was the birthplace of the Internet, it now ranks thirteenth globally in broadband adoption behind countries like Belgium and Iceland. As of this year, 146,500 American homes are connected to fiber. With the bells finally embracing inevitable upgrades, hopefully that number will quickly rise and speed tests like the following (from Keller, Texas) will become more commonplace: 2004-08-25 13:48:32 EST: 14679 / 1794 Your download speed : 15031536 bps, or 14679 kbps. A 1834.9 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 1837109 bps, or 1794 kbps. For those interested on keeping tabs on Fios deployment in your area, keep an eye on this thread in our Verizon forum. Related:- Wednesday Evening Links
- Cablevision Gets Wrist Slap For Misleading Ads
- Windstream: 24Mbps FTTH For $45
- Time Warner Cable: DOCSIS 3.0 'Soon'
- Utopia Hits 100Mbps
- Verizon Continues Proud History Of Denial
- Verizon Cooking Up Slightly Faster FiOS Speeds?
- Verizon Announces New FiOS Tiers, Promotions
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  oliphant I Have 8 Boobies Premium join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA 1 edit | HB Yay! I'll believe it when I see it though. Some parts of HB don't even have regular DSL deployment yet. Wonder if this is what got us the 5Mb trials from Roadrunner. | |
|  the niTz Premium join:2004-07-05 Sahuarita, AZ | i wish i wish they would wire az up with it i want 2mb up drool, wouldnt mind the 30mb down either  | |
|  |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ
| Re: i wish said by the niTz :i wish they would wire az up with it i want 2mb up drool, wouldnt mind the 30mb down either thats really a sad speed on the upload for fibre. people in grant county are getting 100mbit SYMETRICAL for $25. course this is the PHONE COMPANY. cant expect too good a deal. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
|  |  |  the niTz Premium join:2004-07-05 Sahuarita, AZ | Re: i wish o dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind having a 100mbit line:p but just for starters that 30/2 deal would be heaven from 5/768 | |
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join:2000-08-16 | WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... we're as dense as anybody else! | |
|  |   technick Premium join:2000-12-16 Loganville, GA | Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... ain't that the truth... 
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|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... Their speed isn't all that great...
2004-11-30 14:58:24 EST: 36859 / 8015 Your download speed : 37744162 bps, or 36859 kbps. A 4607.4 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 8207934 bps, or 8015 kbps. | |
|  |  |  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... Yes, only 12 times faster than my cable connection and not using the full pipe.  -- Vote Palpatine/Skywalker '05: Moral Values for the Republic! | |
|  |  |  |  |   Derch Premium join:2004-10-16 Tulsa, OK | Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... Ya, no crap, and I'm on the fastest package. | |
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join:2001-07-27 Seattle, WA
| Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... 2004-12-01 02:53:27 EST: 21783 / 12906 Your download speed : 22306800 bps, or 21783 kbps. A 2722.9 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 13215859 bps, or 12906 kbps.
And that speedtest server is about 14 hops away (sea.speakeasy.net)... Not bad considering I live in a 25k person town, and am connected to a commercial ISP. (i am in ZIP 99362) | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  jwvo
join:2001-07-27 Seattle, WA
| Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area... I probably should have pointed out that my link is not even fiber, but rather microwave. Anyway, as for the ISO download comment, i am getting two debin ISOs at 1300 KB/sec each right now (2600KB/sec total) and still have a good ping:
Tracing route to google.com [216.239.57.99] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms wolverine-ww-inside.vanoppen.com [64.185.104.1]
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms core02-db-eth2-20.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.96. 105] 3 6 ms 6 ms 11 ms core01-pasco-eth0-2.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.9 7.3] 4 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms core01-sea-eth0-2.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.97. 27] 5 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms ge3-4.as.sdseawa.aleron.net [205.198.12.141]
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|  |  |  |  |  |   Rothan Tik Destroyer of worlds Premium join:2000-11-07 Danvers, MA 1 edit | i can hope... (Grins) I live in Essex county Mass.! Please oh please oh please | |
|  |  BosstonesOwn
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| Re: i can hope... check the fios thread in the forums for the cities being wired I drive threw them every day on my way to and from work. I am just hoping a real estate bubble bursts so I can afford a house in those areas. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|  |   mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | And Suffolk county | |
|  cooperaaaron
join:2004-04-10 Plainfield, IL | Bring it to... the Chicago area please, the fastest growing area, Will County... Jake and Elwood Blues will thank you !! | |
|  |  BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: | Re: Bring it to... Is Verizon even in your area there ? I thought that area was SBC country. | |
|  |  |  cooperaaaron
join:2004-04-10 Plainfield, IL | Re: Bring it to... Close... We have a LOT of new homes going up out here... I want the real deal, not a half assed approach like SBC is doing ..... Wouldn't you agree ?? | |
|  |  BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: | indeed I agree.
no one wants half assed solutions to anything. Especially what could amount to saving money. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|   atangel Now What?? Premium join:2002-02-18 Bronx, NY | please, Please, PLEase, PLEASE, PULLL-LEEEZZ! The Bronx is waiting.... but we always get everything last....... | |
|  |   powerage66 Pittsburgh, 2008 Champs Premium join:2004-01-06 Seminole, FL | Re: please, Please, PLEase, PLEASE, PULLL-LEEEZZ! Still waiting here in Pinellas County. | |
|  |   technick Premium join:2000-12-16 Loganville, GA | You and users of Bellsouth get everything last. Heck, I remember when 3mb became the standard, we were last to get it, even charter beat us  | |
|   LoneGreyWolf Premium join:2002-09-09 Bath, NY clubs:  | Doubting my little town will see Fios anytime soon Considering we don't even have cable TV here, I seriously doubt FIOS will be coming here anytime soon. I keep being told by the operators on the phone that Verizon plans on getting everyone in NYS FIOS, I have a hard time believing it. | |
|   SquareSlinky Premium join:2004-05-25 Tampa, FL | I am close I have the orange conduit tube sticking out of the ground in front of my house. I stare at it everyday, all day, waiting for it to move.
Man, I can't wait! | |
|   MxxCon
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| Income levels quote: # Parts of Huntington Beach and Murrieta, as well as portions of Riverside, Orange and San Bernardino counties in California # Parts of Delaware # Parts of North Tampa (if they can stop rupturing lines), as well as Hillsborough and Pasco counties in Florida # Parts of Montgomery County in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in Maryland # Parts of Essex and Middlesex counties in Massachusetts # Parts of Nassau, Rockland and Westchester counties in New York # Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania # Parts of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex in Texas, as well as Colleyville, Grapevine and Southlake # Parts of Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties, as well as the communities of Falls Church, Leesburg and Herndon in Virginia
i wonder what is the average level of income in those "parts" -- [Sig removed by Administrator: Signature can not exceed 20GB] | |
|  |  keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01 Youngsville, PA | Re: Income levels I also wonder what it costs to deploy such fiber networks? Doing so would certainly have to have some sort of justification. Do they just target the areas that have a high percentage of broadband users or a high area of competition? | |
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| Re: Income levels From my understanding of the info I got it depends on the areas adoption of technology to under served to income ratio. I guess it's a smart move on their part to pick up some income to spend. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|  |  mishaq Premium join:2004-01-24 Richardson, TX clubs: | They finished digging up my neighborhood today, I cant wait! -- Damn you FCC! | |
|  |  |  |  AJ023
join:2001-12-25 Forest Hills, NY
| Way above the national average. They appear to be all of the wealthy suberbs of the big metro cities on first glance.
Major cities like NYC appear to not be on that list.
There are many new areas coming online that will be in the next phase as per the jobs that Verizon is hiring for. However it likely will be months away from now till they actually deploy.
I see hirings in Queens in Hollis and College Point. Also hirings in New York city, however those say it can be either Brooklyn, Staten Island or Manhattan. The hiring locations are from the Central Office. In some areas, a CO can serve multiple towns. Also tons of hiring for areas around the country as well.
Hopefully my town in queens will come online by year end 2005. | |
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join:2001-01-13 Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Income levels it's not surprising nyc and major cities not on the list. to deploy to already existing run down buildings in a major metropolitan area would cost way to much. nyc is 24/7, it's hard to get clearance to close down a major street to lay fiber lines. geez they can't even shut down canal st to make repares. there more holes in that street than there are in swiss cheese. | |
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2 edits | Re: Income levels RCN dug up the street when they deployed here. Also Verizon has scattered permits now for test pits pre deployment of conduit/fiber in the Queens area in NYC. The digging part isnt that big of an issue. Plenty of permits come online all the time for digging the streets here.
Verizon has their own conduit system so it needs very little digging in the ground. Maybe only for certain limited sections. Obviously its beneficial to lower how many times the road is dug out, but if the road needs to be dug for fiber, its done. Progress is not stopped. Im not sure of the specifics of canal street construction, however RCN for example didnt even have a conduit system and it built out all over roads in Queens and now it has a conduit system so it does not have to dig again. It was done and quickly too. We have Fiber to the building here with RCN. Just wish it was FIBER to the apartment cause I have bad RF issues and other related issues. | |
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join:2004-02-28 Saint Louis, MO
| Although not Verizon, my parent's house in Eagle, CO (Eagle Ranch - a new development) has fiber running to it. This is neither a terribly wealthy nor densely populated area.
Unfortunately, they only offer Internet access through it (512/512), as telephone and cable (CenturyTel) are separate and most likely copper.
-Brad | |
|  |   oliphant I Have 8 Boobies Premium join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA
| said by MxxCon : i wonder what is the average level of income in those "parts" Huntington Beach, CA 92649
Average Home Qualities Home Price: $737,201.42 Age: 27 yrs. Sq/Ft: 1995 sq/ft Lot Size: N/A
18.08% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Median age is 38.8 years. Householders are between the ages of 45 and 64. Socioeconomic: Median household income is about $60,000 and more than 35 percent of the households earn $75,000 or more. Most households receive income from dividends, interest or rental properties; almost 20 percent have begun to receive retirement income or pensions. Unemployment is 50 percent lower than the national average. Over 40 percent of the adults have a college degree and/or a professional or managerial position. Residential: Comprised of owner-occupied, single-family homes, which were built between 1950 and 1969. Average home value is approximately twice the national average. Almost half of the homes are valued over $250,000 (5 times the national average). About 30 percent of the work force commutes across county or state lines.
16.94% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Median age is 36.7 years. Socioeconomic: Median household income is slightly over $42,600. Unemployment is low. Most of the working population is employed in professional or managerial positions. More than 35 percent of adults (age 25+) have earned a college degree. Residential: Mix of single-family homes and townhouses with smaller (two to five units) rentals. Most homes are owner-occupied, including condominiums. Average home value is above the national average.
15.8% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Almost half of the population is between the ages of 35 and 64. Median age is 41.3 years. Socioeconomic: Median household income is about $85,000. Represents one percent of all households. Sources of income include interest, dividends, or rental property income for most households, self-employment income (at twice the national average) and salaries. Almost 60 percent are occupied in executive or professional positions. More than 60 percent of the adult population (aged 25 years or older) have at least a bachelor's degree. Residential: Homes are predominantly single-family, owner-occupied, and located in established suburbs. Average home value is three times higher than the national average. About 80 percent of the homes are valued over $250,000.
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|  |  |  Vivi Mr Happy
join:2002-07-28 MD | most most of us are much more interrested in another speed upgrade ie them making 3/768 the default tier for 30 a month. fiber I could care less...that's a decade away. | |
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| Re: most said by Vivi :most of us are much more interrested in another speed upgrade ie them making 3/768 the default tier for 30 a month. fiber I could care less...that's a decade away. How can you say fiber is a decade away with users already on it in certain Verizon communities? | |
|   Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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1 edit | Oh Hello... Mr. Alan R. Shark, do you have heart burn, is your BPL stock tanking looking at the Verizon list and seeing more potential BPL suckers gone. Each new installation is like a Holly stake in BPL's heart:D:D:D:D:):) -- Real Men use Vacuum tubes, 25 pound filament transformers, and plate voltages no less then 2400 volts...BPL I'm coming to get you
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|   Sodium Premium join:2003-12-02 Rice Lake, WI | What about us?
That's nice for all you people who have broadband to get another upgrade while there are still many of us who are forced to choose between options like dial-up, ISDN, frac-T1 and similar high-cost, low-bandwidth choices. | |
|   jap Premium join:2003-08-10 038xx | (sigh) ..... No end in sight for our $60/mo, 3000/256 cable here in USA-NH. ugh. | |
|  shawn01606
join:2004-08-01 USA | Worcester, MA Im hoping for a Worcester MA deployment  | |
|  |   jonez Got Anime? Premium join:2004-09-24 Stow, MA
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| Re: Worcester, MA unfortunately worcester isn't in middlesex county so i doubt it will see any fiber for the next few years. 
I'm right on the edge of middlesex and i when i talked to the techs deploying fiber in bedford, MA (~10 miles away!!!) they said within two years, but a local worker for verizon said Q1 of 2005 so i'm crossing my fingers.
my town and area around it has a lot of new and older developments on small streets near a main road so it would be very profitable for verizon with so many houses along one single main road. | |
|   justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY | If verizon can afford FIOS bandwidth .. .. then why can't they up plain ADSL to its theoretical maximum, 8mbit, or more, using some more proprietary technology? something isn't right. | |
|  |   fritzmp Biker Tux Premium join:2001-08-29 Warrenton, VA clubs:
| Re: If verizon can afford FIOS bandwidth .. said by justin :.. then why can't they up plain ADSL to its theoretical maximum, 8mbit, or more, using some more proprietary technology? something isn't right. Technology capable and actual network capable are two different things. The pipe isn't their. -- "We know the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?" --John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson | |
|   Mr Anon
| Now or later? Soo.... This stuff is going live as soon as its planted or do you have to wait? No once again I didn't read all the info | |
|  kenyg
join:2001-02-09 Hatboro, PA | re: FIOS "Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania"
- now I live in Montgomery County, PA - which is inbetween Bucks and Chester.
figures -- aye aye captain! | |
|  |   toddbs98
join:2000-07-08 North Little Rock, AR clubs:  | Re: re: FIOS Upload still sucks compared to Download...I thought fiber was going to be symmetrical. | |
|  |  |   jap Premium join:2003-08-10 038xx
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| Re: re: FIOS said by toddbs98 :I thought fiber was going to be symmetrical. Some muni projects are resi-symmetrical, looks like VZ's gonna stick with asymmetry for now. I can't stand it, but truth is the average user is gonna want the down & under-utilize the up. It'll be interesting to see how VZ, over time, responds to server activity on it's resi accts. | |
|  |  Eek2121
join:2002-10-12 Andover, NJ | At least you don't live on the border between chester and montgomery...in a low income area. We'll probably never see FIOS. | |
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| San Berdo County Well, it must be all the new communities in Yucaipa and its surrounding areas that are getting it, since they are building homes out there about as fast as possible.
I have not seen any VZ activity in Redlands, which is fairly affluent, at least in some parts (not my part, its a renters zone).
Well, I'm happy with the 3.0/768. I'll probably have moved by the time fiber shows up. But I know that I will be dictating my decision to live by what broadband I can get.
-- "No one will believe you solved this problem in one day! We've been working on it for months. Now, go act busy for a few weeks and I'll let you know when it's time to tell them." (R&D Supervisor, Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing /3M Corp.) | |
|   TechSponge
join:2001-05-14 Hillside, NJ | Backhaul never mentioned...ever Thats because it will probably be 2 bonded T1's or a Fractional T3 linking C.O's to the Core and then...Juice Boosted carrier Pigeon to and from The Net. Oh, and the Pigeons will be oversubscribed 12:1. | |
|  |  AJ023
join:2001-12-25 Forest Hills, NY
| Re: Backhaul never mentioned...ever Backhaul someone said was an OC12. But PON is split by 32 homes to get 20MBPS per user so Im confused by that statement. Will PON have 20MBPS guaranteed per user or would it be a shared OC12 to the CO in which case it would be slower than dialup with that fiber ? | |
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join:2000-08-03 Reisterstown, MD | Re: Backhaul never mentioned...ever It is 622 megabits to the CO which is shared between upto 32 subscribers. Once in the CO it leaves in most cases on an OC 48 (2.5gig)ring or better. 622megs/32subs is enough for vz to offer 100 meg downloads when the market demands. | |
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1 edit | Re: Backhaul never mentioned...ever Someone told me that when it gets outside the CO's ring to the internet, its on an OC12 for FIOS which handles the data for multiple CO's. I do know that CO's do have rings capable of OC48 however and beyond. But the question is will the route to the internet be on such?
On DSL I do know that the DSLAM's are all fed by a T3/DS3 and those often got overcrowded. Verizon likes to SQUEEZE profits so I wouldnt be surprised to see overcrowding on that FIOS line like what happened with DSL when they should have upgraded the DS3/T3s to the next level. | |
|   TexasGuy 49 States And Texas Premium join:2002-12-02 Houston, TX
| Would you stop, please... Editor, would you stop masturbating over that post of fiber install. I think you mention it in at least 4 articles already. Post something fresh for a change. -- -- Who drank has died, who drinks will die; is he immortal who is sober? -- -- I started out with nothing, I still have most of it -- | |
|  |   TheGiant Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28 Knoxville, TN 1 edit | I want my FTH too I want some of this giant fiber install. Please can I have FTH I will eat all my broccoli. | |
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