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Premium
join:2002-07-10
Long Beach, CA | and verizon... Rendell Signs PA Law and Verizon signs a donation check. | |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
clubs: | Re: and verizon... This happens all the time. Groups pay off politicians daily. | |
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL
| Re: and verizon... When you payoff someone and you are not from a "offical company" it is called a bribe. Then you are part of a compamy it is call doing good business.
VOTE GREEN PARTY AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE!
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| | | | footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| Re: and verizon... said by CPM  :VOTE GREEN PARTY AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE! Vote Green Party and nothing will ever get done anymore.  | |
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | Re: and verizon... You just don't like change. | |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | Those who are different Change The World, those who are the same Keep It That Way. | |
| | | | | caputo1997
join:2002-01-25
Dingmans Ferry, PA
| you got that right brother- i just dropped verizon, since i can now get landline service from my cable co. hopefully, this type of competition will force them to provide better service-the govenor's selling out certainly doesnt help matters, though-what do you expect from a guy who resisted counting absentee ballots, most of which come from the military overseas? | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| said by CPM :When you payoff someone and you are not from a "offical company" it is called a bribe. Then you are part of a compamy it is call doing good business. VOTE GREEN PARTY AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE! Have you read the policies of the Green party? Sounds a lot like communism to me.  | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: and verizon... Nothing more than another totalitarian party group claiming to be for the good of the people. Lenin and Stalin would be proud. | |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | Re: and verizon... You mean...Communism...Like type of Gov. the US Gov. currently bends over backwards to work with and Support? China??? Get real. Our leaders are no better than theirs. All CRIMINALS! | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: and verizon... said by TechSponge :You mean...Communism...Like type of Gov. the US Gov. currently bends over backwards to work with and Support? China??? Get real. Our leaders are no better than theirs. All CRIMINALS! With a statement like that in the old Soviet Union, China or Cuba, you would never be heard from again.
China buys from us as we buy from them. Welcome to the global economy.
Find another country as open as ours.
Yes, I agree that politicians are corrupt but what makes you think Green Party candidates are any different? | |
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join:2004-04-25
Vancouver, BC | Re: and verizon... Actually, China and a dozen other countries lend you the money and then you buy from China.
That's because you a 3 trillion dollars in debt. Without the lenders you wouldn't be buying from anyone at this point. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: and verizon... said by silasshu :Actually, China and a dozen other countries lend you the money and then you buy from China. That's because you a 3 trillion dollars in debt. Without the lenders you wouldn't be buying from anyone at this point. Hmmm, interesting that the American Dollar is the currency of choice around the world and NOT the Chinese Yuan. | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: and verizon... said by moonpuppy :Hmmm, interesting that the American Dollar is the currency of choice around the world and NOT the Chinese Yuan. ...said while the value of the American dollar continues to plummet with our "thriving" borrow, spend, and borrow more economy. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: and verizon... Don't have to like it, just accept it. | |
| | lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| I would like to point-out to all those that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Bush as well as Republicans in general, that this Governor is a Democrat. By granting Verizon monopoly control in this matter proves that Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to big business. | |
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Mac Bridger
Beat It Again Bill
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join:2001-01-11
Smithton, PA
clubs:
| Re: and verizon... It's not about bashing Republicans or Democrats, it's about good representation. I bash bad representatives, corrupt, and foolish alike.
This is a bad decision, regardless of what party is involved.
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | Re: and verizon... plus living in the state directly affected by this legislation you are entitled to say whatever you like. this terrible decision will affect you personally. amazing what Verizon has gotten away with in Pennsylvania the past few years | |
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Re: and verizon... The constitution entitles me to say what ever I like!
My ILEC is Verizon so we have the same enemy (corrupted government officials, corrupted legislators & Verizon.) Verizon bought the Florida PUC and Florida Legislature. They pushed through a law that allows them to significantly raise rates ostensibly to spur competition. The law required the PUC to hold hearings and make the appropriate decision. They held 4 or 5 hearings in different cities and the response was overwhelmingly against the rate increases. The corrupt PUC approved it anyway and the State Attorney General took the matter to court so now there is an injunction stopping it. | |
| | | AquaBlaze
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by lesopp :I would like to point-out to all those that seem to take great pleasure in bashing Bush as well as Republicans in general, that this Governor is a Democrat. So you've proved that idiots can join either party...I really don't find anything rattling about that news flash. | |
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sbhusted
join:2000-05-14
Bethlehem, PA
·PenTeleData
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December 1st, @12:00PM
| Rendell is a lame duck Governor, and I believe he will most definitely lose the next election.
However, it was the Republicans (Which I am as well) who control the state representation and they approved this piece of sh!t legislation as Verizon once again gets to bend PA taxpayers over a barrel. It doesn't matter which party you belong to, when crap legislation gets passed - everyone loses.
UPDATE: I just read the whole legislation and there are some positive cahnges in it as well. Here is the part regarding community Wi-Fi efforts, which basically says the Telco either has to provide the service, or the community can proceed with their project:
quote:
The final version of the bill allows existing municipal
systems to continue to operate and provides local governments and authorities
a one-year window to develop these networks. Municipalities that are
providing telecommunications service through a municipally owned or created
network as of January 1, 2006 can continue to offer and provide the services
"to the extent and scope" that these services were provided before that date.
After that window closes, municipalities must offer the incumbent telephone
company the right of first refusal to provide the proposed service. Then, the
municipality can proceed with its proposed network only if the ILEC waives
it's right of first refusal under this act.
Verizon has already agreed to waive its right of first refusal in regard
to Philadelphia's proposed municipal Wi-Fi network guaranteeing that that
particular project can proceed. They have done so in a signed agreement with
the City. We will work with other municipalities on projects that they have
established or propose to establish in order to ensure that, to the extent
that they are now viable, they will also have the opportunity to succeed.
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»www.Husted.cc | |
| | | | annonymus42
join:2004-10-28
Clearwater, FL | Re: and verizon... Seems to me I remember lot of talk about campaign finance reform from 1996-2000. Whatever happened to that? | |
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MrWhippit
You Big Dummy Gimmie Back My Bandwith
Premium
join:2002-04-04
Philadelphia, PA | Ed Rendell = Verizon's Bottom "B*tch"
The man makes me sick. | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
clubs: | That's Unconstitutional Isn't that under the restraint of free trade, Verizon will never allow muni efforts to happen anywhere in its territory. | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
clubs: | Re: That's Unconstitutional That's like getting approval from Justin to DDOS BBR.
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Better Luck next time. | |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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December 1st, @10:03AM
| Hmmmm......... I would challenge this in court......wether you like muni involvement or not, I don't think this is legal......
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| masrotaj
join:2003-07-09
Fort Lauderdale, FL | unbelievable  Wow
ok Verizon the O2 in the air in Pa is MINE you must get MY
PERMISSION TO BREATHE IT . For a large royalty this will be a privilage I might grant.
John | |
| markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO |  lame
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dj_figgy
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join:2002-08-14
Eagle Point, OR | Re: lame yep...and forum trolls = bad | |
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atangel
Now What??
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join:2002-02-18
Bronx, NY
edit:
December 1st, @10:11AM
| dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb..... dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!!!
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The reason you think I'm way on the left is 'cause you're so far to the right.
Dell Dimension, XP Pro, 2.4 Ghz, 512MB, BEFSX41, ZAP 5, NOD32, BOClean, a2, Adaware, Spybot, MW Pro, The Bat! | |
| | scomps
join:2001-06-05
Utica, NY | Re: dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb..... great post! Well thought out *grins* | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Thanks Fast Eddie! Ok, so signing this bill to prevent the city from wasting more money on something it does not need starts to make up for the whole get-out-the-felon vote drive
Maybe now the city can stop pussy-footing around its real problems and get down to the business of fixing them.
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Hey Fast Eddie... you're next! | |
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| ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | here is a chance what is going to take to spark off another boston tea party? muni better start organizing and planning. the courts are not going to help anybody. we need to help ourselves, stop yapping, and fight. what the hell is it going to take? | |
| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | we're number 13.... and dropping rapidly in the world broadband race, thanks to enlightened politicians like Ed and the fine fellows at the FCC.
Keep up the good work guys! I've always wanted to have 3rd world services. | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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December 1st, @11:21AM
| Rendell... Just bought a crystal ball, I see WHINE in PA's future...
Again, did everyone expect him to take up arms against big business? He did the opposite, whored himself out to Verizon...
I blame the people of PA, for not speaking up or not caring. | |
| | Eye4got
join:2004-06-02
Lancaster, PA
|  Re: Rendell...
said by Derch :Just bought a crystal ball, I see WHINE in PA's future... Again, did everyone expect him to take up arms against big business? He did the opposite, whored himself out to Verizon... I blame the people of PA, for not speaking up or not caring. Just like you, I expect my elected officials to work in good faith for our collective best interest.
What do you do when your government fails to do that?
Feel free to come out here and fight the machine anytime.
We spoke up. We care. Our representatives have not done their jobs. We have jobs that we go to every day, to support those representatives whose job it is to work for our best interest. The mechanism which exists to resolve disputes when our representatives are not performing properly is prohibitively expensive, time consuming, and isn't at all well suited to resolving those issues. I don't have the cash to hire lawyers or a team of lobbyists to protect me from my own government.
I need to state some of my opinions regarding government and politics.
Government, first and foremost, should represent and serve it's constituents. The power of one vote should equal that of another. One person should have one votepower, no more, no less. One votepower can only be realized by an actual person.
We should create the job description of our employees, our government. There are functions that the government should be involved in, and there are areas where the government doesn't belong. We need to clearly define these boundaries. Should the state repair the roads? Should the state refuse marriage benefits to gay people? What social issues should they be involved in? Should you be able to get a flu shot in a public facility, or should there be no such option?
What do you think about these things, and why?
Zero government involvement = no speed limit, no taxes, no borders, no roads, no legal system, no schools, no money, no capitalism, no socialism. No framework for our basic needs. Autonomy isn't as efficient. We wouldn't live as well as we do. The idea of government came about from a desire to improve life on the whole.
There is no simple answer. Don't use labels. Many ideologies have failed before us, and our present government combines parts of them all. We pay taxes, we have publicly funded programs, we have private businesses and organizations. Broad based labels aren't accurate and are bred from, and amplify fear and misinformation. I am not a "liberal", I'm not a "conservative".
Do you trust your government?
Completely?
Of course not.
Then, there's room for improvement.
Know your enemy.
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If anyone has noticed, in my post, I was careful to not point a finger at anyone. If anyone takes offense to my post, it won't be because I intended to offend them. If someone is offended, that would demonstrate very clearly the harm in broad based labeling.
In my life, I have people that I look up to. Some of these people have lived a lot longer than me, and profess knowledge and authority. I expect that those people will say things that I don't agree with. Because they have lived longer than I have, or had different experiences than I have doesn't make them any more correct about anything. Perhaps they haven't educated themselves about that thing, or perhaps they believe that the end justifies the means. Regardless, the point is the same: keep an open mind.
I personally believe that the means is often more important than the end. If you do the right things for the right reasons, you will most often be satisfied with the results, even if they aren't always to your benefit. I'm not always going to win. You won't need to be continually questioning your motivation, and the checks and balances you have used will make it far more difficult for a subversive element to manipulate you.
Request for comment, as long as you don't throw political labels around. Get back to real discussion. | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Re: Rendell... Eye4got,
I lived in Pittsburgh (Greentree) for 6 months, I know what the deal is in western PA. It's a nice town, but no one wants to get involved.
I like your points though, maybe you should run? | |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | Ivan Should and Must go directly TO JAIL.
DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT $HIT. GO TO YOUR CELL AND STFU, YOU CRIMINAL. | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Oh the Joy Of living in a so-called red state. If Qwest tried something like this in Wyoming they would be told where to stick it and with what to stick it with.:)
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Real Men use Vacuum tubes, 25 pound filament transformers, and plate voltages no less then 2400 volts...BPL I'm coming to get you | |
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downtownman
@speakeasy.n
| Oh the Joy of corporate lawmaking...Of living in a so-called red state. If Qwest tried something like this in Wyoming they wou
*ld be told where to stick it and with what to stick it with.
(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split
That's funny...'cause people from red states were b1tching, saying we Pennsylvanians opposed to the law were whining because it would make a gov't. "utility" in Philly were there shoudn't be one. :uhh: | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
edit:
December 1st, @11:15PM
| Re: Oh the Joy of corporate lawmaking... Wyoming has a long and difficult history with Bell Telephone, then US West, then Qwest. If a city wanted to
do a Muni they would do it. Most of our communities are so small a wireless system would work very well. The Above is La Grange, Wyoming as you can see it would very cheap to put in such a system.
I should mention the Farmers in this area grow some of the finest russet potato's in the world.  A shamless local plug, this is true.
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith | New name for Pennsylvania The state of Verizon | |
| ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
 ·Vonage
 ·Comcast
| rendel paid off???? i'm a lifetime resident & taxpayer in pa. fast eddie taking this course ratifies that politicians are not that different from prostitutes in that they make their bread & butter in the pockets of corporate entities. rendell is an embarrassment to pa; every promise he made during the campaign has been neatly tucked into a black hole so he could exercise his typically political expediency & sway. this action ratifies that avaricious lawyers from phila lack integrity & like many things on ebay, are open to the highest bidder. better days are coming.... | |
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Rendell Signs PA Law
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