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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Too bad the law was knocked down said by GOLFnSUN  :The war against spam needs every method it can garner. It is too bad that the lawyers and judges will do their best to gut the fight against SPAM. My Web PageMy BlogJoin Red Room Forum Yea. Screw those bastards for trying to interpret and uphold existing laws... | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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| not a suprise this is one of the oldest parts of Federal Law, and one of the first rulings of the Supreme court circa 1800. Spam is crap but it is commerce of a sort.
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jwsmiths4
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Savannah, GA | Re: not a suprise yeah since that stupid study came out that said something like 1 in 4 people buy from SPAM... crazy | |
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moseley
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join:2001-05-05
Lemoyne, PA
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| As a nation, we have become a little too cavalier about our rights. Giving up rights to stop spam is wrong. Then States could tax inter-state commerce, tax internet purchases, tax email usage an a slew of other things.
Spam costs companies tons of money. What could be done under current laws is a class action law suit. If the risk of sending spam goes up it is no longer a cost effective way to advertise.
Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email.
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join:2001-09-25
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| Re: not a suprise said by moseley :Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email. Though getting junk mail isn't a crime so...
And there are laws to protect against out-right fraud, though not civil liability to the person receiving the e-mail, the system is just not equipped to dealing with the massive load that the Internet and E-mail brings. And yes, this is clearly an issue that the Federal government must act on and it is not up to the States to regulate commerce outside their borders but they happy to try to stop the conduct from occurring within their State, and as I understand it, it has been upheld that they can.
What will really stop spam is if stupid people receiving this crap will stop buying from them. I mean honestly, if no one signed up with AOL would they still send you 4 CDs a month in the mail?
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: not a suprise said by Anon00 : said by moseley :Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email. Though getting junk mail isn't a crime so... And there are laws to protect against out-right fraud, though not civil liability to the person receiving the e-mail, the system is just not equipped to dealing with the massive load that the Internet and E-mail brings. And yes, this is clearly an issue that the Federal government must act on and it is not up to the States to regulate commerce outside their borders but they happy to try to stop the conduct from occurring within their State, and as I understand it, it has been upheld that they can. What will really stop spam is if stupid people receiving this crap will stop buying from them. I mean honestly, if no one signed up with AOL would they still send you 4 CDs a month in the mail? no they would send 10cds and would give you first 3 month free. | |
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| Re: not a suprise said by ylen131 :no they would send 10cds and would give you first 3 month free. LoL, true. But I mean more on a widespread scale of them not getting new users. I remember I tried to cancel (and dang thats an hassle) an account I had with them (only signed up to their free offering to get a discount) and they were like offering a free year of service. Of course I still cancelled it 
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| said by moseley :Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email. I would have to say because email is not a service of the federal government | |
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join:2004-10-26
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| Re: not a suprise said by hskrfan23 : said by moseley :Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email. I would have to say because email is not a service of the federal government Niether is the US Postal service. It was privatized last decade. | |
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: not a suprise said by Ahrenl : said by hskrfan23 : said by moseley :Current fraud laws could be used. New federal laws could be used. Using the postal Service to commit fraud is crime why not email. I would have to say because email is not a service of the federal government Niether is the US Postal service. It was privatized last decade. hahahahaha. Us postal Service gets its budget from us government and no it has not been privatized yet. | |
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Mellow
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join:2001-11-16
Salisbury, MD | Blind Justice I say we forward all that "commerce" to that judges email. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
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| no clue This is riduclus, and unnessary. Arent they about 100 million other things these courts could be doing. However maybe the judge has forgotten home rule.
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hailinfantry
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Brooklyn, NY
| Re: no clue said by DaveNJ :This is riduclus, and unnessary. Arent they about 100 million other things these courts could be doing. However maybe the judge has forgotten home rule. Wow. That was the sillyist, most ignorant statement I've EVER heard on this site.
What the hell do you think a court does? Exactly this. How did you get out of bed this morning...wait...you probably didn't. | |
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DaveNJ
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| Re: no clue said by hailinfantry : said by DaveNJ :This is riduclus, and unnessary. Arent they about 100 million other things these courts could be doing. However maybe the judge has forgotten home rule. Wow. That was the sillyist, most ignorant statement I've EVER heard on this site. What the hell do you think a court does? Exactly this. How did you get out of bed this morning...wait...you probably didn't. Maybe because of you never heard of home rule and what it implies. Oh wait did you open a law book ever?
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| our spam laws vs. offshore operations until we face the reality that offshore operations are largely responsible for what we call spam, we will continue to pass "legislation" that's as worthless as the paper it's printed on. close the tax loopholes and force the cheap bastards to adhere to US laws, and spam will decline. until then, keep deleting the "xanax and russian brides for free!" emails until the cows come home... | |
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: our spam laws vs. offshore operations said by garagerock :until we face the reality that offshore operations are largely responsible for what we call spam, we will continue to pass "legislation" that's as worthless as the paper it's printed on. close the tax loopholes and force the cheap bastards to adhere to US laws, and spam will decline. until then, keep deleting the "xanax and russian brides for free!" emails until the cows come home... how do you force someone from Russia to adhere to us laws? | |
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | Re: our spam laws vs. offshore operations One BIG stick. | |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | you don't, but the companies who are owned by citizens who do business here (read: send spam) shouldn't be allowed to so flagrantly disregard US laws. make them register (and pay taxes) here, and watch spam decline. simple. | |
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Derch
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join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Figures... Doesn't surprise me. | |
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jasso
join:2004-11-15
Chico, TX
| I Bet If someone were to attach a virus to major Spammers, it would be spread to every computer in world within a matter of days. I also wonder that if the US Government required all online businesses to register their IP addresses, how many spam companies would jump off the spam-wagon. =p | |
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: I Bet said by jasso :If someone were to attach a virus to major Spammers, it would be spread to every computer in world within a matter of days. I also wonder that if the US Government required all online businesses to register their IP addresses, how many spam companies would jump off the spam-wagon. =p not many, most are not in usa so us laws don't apply to them | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| The only Thing that is going to work is to set your own filters. I don't get near the spam I used to get thanks to the filters incorporated in to my mail clients. Bitching and moaning is not going to get rid of it we are just going to have to get used to it.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | SPAM == Telephone calls If states can restrict out of state phone calls they most certainly can restrict out of state spam. This judge was bought. I hope this goes to the supreme court so it will get upheld just as the do not call list was. | |
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: SPAM == Telephone calls said by insomniac84 :If states can restrict out of state phone calls they most certainly can restrict out of state spam. This judge was bought. I hope this goes to the supreme court so it will get upheld just as the do not call list was. right let see they will just do what? The only way they can restrict telephone calls from other countries is if the call get routed thru company in America otherwise they can't | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| The MD law will be upheld An appeals court in California and the Washington state Supreme Court have upheld state laws that had been declared unconstitutional by lower courts on grounds similar to the Dec. 9 ruling in Maryland. The Maryland law was modeled after the Washington State law and will most like be upheld.
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA
| Re: The MD law will be upheld said by newview :An appeals court in California and the Washington state Supreme Court have upheld state laws that had been declared unconstitutional by lower courts on grounds similar to the Dec. 9 ruling in Maryland. The Maryland law was modeled after the Washington State law and will most like be upheld. lets say its upheld what good will it do against spammers that are outside California or a ny other state | |
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newview
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| The MD law will be upheld said by ylen131 :lets say its upheld what good will it do against spammers that are outside California or a ny other state
The Maryland Spam Deterrence Act applies to email sent to or from Maryland residents, and specifically allows residents who receive email with certain false information to sue for damages. A separate criminal statute enacted in October adds criminal penalties of up to $25,000 and 10 years in prison.
The Maryland Spam Deterrence Act came into effect on 1 October and will enable law enforcers to arrest those using deceptive spam practices, such as false email addresses and misleading subject heads, and bans the harvesting of email addresses. It has also been written to extend the federal anti-spam law and allow state officials to investigate junk mailers and to seize personal property. The Maryland law allows ISPs to file civil charges against spammers operating in the state or sending spam through email servers located there.
As far as spammers located in California or NY . . . like any other law, reciprocal agreements with all states allow for extradition to face trial for laws broken in other states.
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ylen131
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Canoga Park, CA | Re: The MD law will be upheld sorry you misunderstood my question. I mean to ask how will this law stop spammers that are outside USA. USA laws don't apply on spammers that are in other countries | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| The MD law will be upheld said by ylen131 :sorry you misunderstood my question. I mean to ask how will this law stop spammers that are outside USA. USA laws don't apply on spammers that are in other countries
Of course this law has no effect on spam sent to/from/thru MD from spammers outside the US. But it will put a big crimp in spam operations within the US. Just because it will not stop spam from outside the US is no reason NOT to protect ourselves from spam within our own borders.
As more and more states pass anti-spam laws with teeth, as opposed to the lame Can-Spam Act, spammers will be forced offshore, where it's much easier to blacklist them, as much of China, Taiwan, Brazil, Argentina and Korea is right now.
So . . . tough anti-spam laws here where they can be enforced, and blacklisting those offshore countries/domains/networks who bend over to the spammers.
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