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Buying Legitimacy
How Claria & WhenU will dominate the web
by Karl Bode 02:59PM Thursday Dec 16 2004
In anticipation of looming anti-spyware laws, spyware/adware vendors are attempting a public image makeover; a makeover that includes buying legitimacy from anti-spyware developers. Aluria's recent certification of WhenU software as "spyware safe" may be the beginning of a new, and unwelcome trend in the burgeoning crapware business.

WhenU, whose website slogan is now "Advertising you want", is one of the web's more prodigious irritant-ware creators. Their software bombards users with ads for competing products when they visit certain websites, something that has landed them in hot water with companies like Uhaul and 1800Contacts.

WhenU has frequently been accused of gaming search engine ranking results, and spearheaded a lawsuit against Utah to prevent passage of tough anti-spyware laws. Their applications employ dubious installation techniques, and are generally seen by security analysts as impediments to a smoothly running PC.

With a new rash of media attention, legislators are under increasing pressure to draft laws curbing such software. To derail any such crackdown, companies like WhenU and Claria (creator of Gator) are attempting to reshape their image from ethically challenged parasites to legitimate e-marketers.

Their first step was to re-define spyware.

Both companies claim what they do is "contextual marketing", not spyware. Claria is so bothered by the classification, they recently sued the PCPitstop website for referring to its Gator software as spyware. Meanwhile WhenU's website boldly proclaims: "WhenU is committed to protecting consumers' privacy and consumer PCs against dangerous spyware."

Yet according to PC Pitstop, 87% of WhenU users don't know they're even using it.

Pro-consumer indeed.

The second step of this image reclamation project is convincing anti-spyware vendors to stop removing their software during system scans. Aluria develops the anti-spyware technology used by AOL and several other ISP's. As such, they've got considerable reach when it comes to informing less technical customers about what poses a threat to their systems.

Not long ago, Aluria and WhenU struck a deal in which Aluria agreed to de-list WhenU from the definitions it uses for Spyware Eliminator. WhenU products are now declared "Spyware SAFE" and are left intact on the systems of the software's users. WhenU's products did not change, back rubs were simply exchanged.

Other companies approached by the industry to redefine crapware haven't been as receptive. Wayne Porter, the CEO of anti-spyware company Xblock, says XBlock was approached by the two largest spyware companies (he doesn't specify) to establish a similar partnership.

"In one pitch the offer was simply increased exposure via a co-branded solution," Porter explains on his website. "In the other request the software would be offered for free and there would be a revenue share on the advertising revenue generated."

Porter's team said no, because, as he puts it: "the line is already blurry enough without companies embracing the very problems they are supposed to be solving."

"We would never partner with a company that was using security holes to install their software" Porter continues. "Or, as the case may be, using affiliates to exploit the security holes and reaping the benefits while claiming innocence."

Something tells us a large number of smaller developers aren't going to respond with the same degree of integrity. As Claria and WhenU grow more profitable, will companies like Microsoft (who today announced the purchase of respected anti-spyware vendor Giant) also bend to lucrative opportunities at cross-promotion in exchange for weakened detection criteria?

Adware, spyware, scumware; a marketing right or parasitic opportunism; the majority of users do not want this software on their PC without their explicit approval. As the debate gets intentionally muddier over the next year, this ridiculously simple point needs to stand boldly at the forefront of the discussion.

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People need to learn about...

Security before they are even allowed to own a computer, computers should require license before people are allowed to operate them, shouldn't even be able to buy a computer without a license

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Re: People need to learn about...

Look WhenU even offer you a download of "anti-spyware" software. »www.whenu.com/scan_pc.html
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Re: People need to learn about...

downloaded that to a computer with deep freeze...

It was a laughable program.
"Here, I'll find the spyware, but then you gotta purchse another product to actually REMOVE the spyware!"
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Re: People need to learn about...

Deep Freeze is THE answer to all this mess. Deep Freeze is wonderful. I have a c: drive and a logical d: drive. I keep c: drive frozen with Deep Freeze. If I get spyware/adware problems, toolbars installed, etc., or any other strange behavior in my browser, I just restart my computer. Voila! GONE. 100%

When I want to save pictures, videos, program setup files, etc., I save them to my d: drive. I use Norton AV to scan both drives as well.

Deep Freeze keeps my computer in perfect condition, literally. I never even need to defrag my hard drive, since it uses the same MFT every time it boots the computer.

One thing not mentioned here is that crapware developers constantly try to defeat and bypass detection and removal. And they often succeed. I have even seen Ad-Aware and other spyware removal programs outright deleted by spyware.

With Deep Freeze you don't have to worry about which side is winning this war. You're like God, looking down on it all from a position of total immunity!!

I would love to post a link to Deep Freeze here, but don't want to risk violating the board's policies. Google for it. It's in use by all the Ivy League schools, many public school systems around the country, etc. It keeps computers in perfect running condition, for virtually the life of the hardware it's installed on. It lives up to all its claims, and is very well maintained by the developer. It does not slow down your computer or degrade performance in any way at all. All who use it are extremely pleased.

If you are willing to partition your hard drive with a d: logical partition to save files to, and if you can get used to the idea of your c: drive being frozen, Deep Freeze is the best thing in the world, bar none, for keeping your computer in perfect shape.

Some people don't like having to thaw just to install new programs though. To me, it's no big deal to restart in thawed mode. Just remember, always restart TWICE after installing new software in order to let the new settings settle in correctly.

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No matter how it's classified...

...we still don't want it! Why can't they understand that?
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Re: No matter how it's classified...

They "understand" that just fine. The problem is they don't *care* what you want.
We also don't want spam and telemarketing calls. Why do we still get them? Money. The people behind these annoyances know how irritating they are, but they don't care, as long as there's a buck to be made.

There's no need for people to convine spyware vendors of how hated they are any more than they have to convince a burglar that his presence isn't wanted. They already know this and simply don't care. However, what is needed is for people to educate themselves. We have all these threats out there on the Internet--spam, viruses, spyware, trojans, phishing--and many people sail blindly on, blissfully ignorning the dangers, as if there's absolutely nothing wrong.

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Crap is crap

No way do I want something on my computer without my consent, PERIOD.

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said by exocet_cm:

No way do I want something on my computer without my consent, PERIOD.
Then simply take the measures required to not install the crap in the first place. Seems if you don't want something, you just don't install it, yes?

Better than making more laws to make some form of software illegal... We don't need more laws! Stop installing this crap on your PC and it won't affect you; a simpleton should be able to do that much.

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I could not agree more. I never seem to have a problem with viruses or spy ware and I have been on the net for well over 9 years. I simply don't install junk, nor do I go to websites of questionable origin. I work in the industry and it amazes me how many clients have "free wallpapers, screen savers, and weather bug or other garbage software installed on their PCs. There is a price for everything in this world and if only more people would learn that, there would be considerably less users that have problems with their machines. Then again I will gladly continue to go onsite to remove the garbage from their PCs and bill them $85.00 and hr to do so. In a sense it gives me job security. As far as spy ware and popups I feel a good way to try to regulate the issue is to fine the companies who are doing the advertising. The reasons the ads pop up are to generate revenue and maybe if the companies that solicit people of questionable origin to advertise for them should have to pay the piper.

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Re: Crap is crap

Then explain drive-by-downloads that require NO ACTION on your part.

I shouldn't be FORCED to install numerous safeguards, change my browsing habits, what browser to use, what not to click, what not to download, yadda yadda -- in short, tailor my computing time around THEM -- just because some ethically-challenged salescum decides that he'll push a "free demo" of his "product" onto whatever PCs that aren't "protected".

Of course, you have a point too -- clueless users should STOP DOWNLOADING "free" software that is bundled with crap, dammit. There are plenty of no-catches-included freeware and open-source software that doesn't come bundled with shit. Software from the internet is not like getting junk from TV shopping -- you CAN get some things for FREE that don't need to be ad-supported (because explaining the difference between honest adware and spyware is much too difficult -- another reason why honest vendors should WANT to distance themselves from spyware and keep the 'adware' tag clean).
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said by Vvian Kalyss:

Then explain drive-by-downloads that require NO ACTION on your part.
The use or non-use of faulty software which allows "drive-by-downloads" is the computer owner's choice. Use un-patched and defective programs, use those free screen-savers, visit those porn sites, and you consent to whatever they happen to do to you.

To scream foul when something unpleasant happens as a result of your own actions (or lack of actions) is childish.

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Re: Crap is crap

If I forget to lock my door, am I responsible if a burglar comes in and steals everything? It's true that I did a stupid thing, but to say that I bear full responsibility is absurd.

Now, if the burglar takes up residence in my house, invites some of his friends, and uses it as a base of operations to commit more crimes, and someone informs me that it's happening, then it's my responsibility to evict him, just as it's my responsibility to clean my system of viruses when I'm notified it's infected.

I do think that Internet users need to educate themselves to the dangers out there. That's my biggest complaint: people who don't even take the time to gain the most basic understanding of how the Internet works and its inherent risks.
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said by TamaraB:


said by Vvian Kalyss:

Then explain drive-by-downloads that require NO ACTION on your part.
The use or non-use of faulty software which allows "drive-by-downloads" is the computer owner's choice. Use un-patched and defective programs, use those free screen-savers, visit those porn sites, and you consent to whatever they happen to do to you.

To scream foul when something unpleasant happens as a result of your own actions (or lack of actions) is childish.

Bob

And I suppose blaming the victim, as you're doing, is not childish?

If I leave me front door unlocked, that does not make it OK for someone to come in and rob me. The cops might tell me I'm stupid for leaving it unlocked, but they're still going to arrest the guy who robbed me, if they catch him. But by your logic, someone who leaves his door unlocked "consented" to being robbed.

I suppose that a woman who wears revealing attire is "consenting" to be raped.

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said by The Antihero:

And I suppose blaming the victim, as you're doing, is not childish?

If I leave me front door unlocked.....
If you publicly advertise a computer service on let's say ports 445 and 137 or 139 for instance, it means you are inviting their use by the public. The Internet is a PUBLIC space, unlike your home which is a PRIVATE space.

If you run an anonymous FTP server, you have no basis to complain if someone uses it. If you run an MTA on port 25, you can't complain about it's public use; it is YOUR responsibility and no one Else's, to advertise only the services YOU want used publicly.

If you surf to a website with a program which will vacuum up any and all malware, it is YOU who have invited it in by doing so! If you run an open SMTP server, you have invited spammers to use it, if you run an open ANYTHING, it will be used because you have invited it's use. The Internet is NOT your private home, it's a VERY public and open area.

I am not blaming the victims for anything, there are no victims here, only public users of a public space; each one directly responsible for their own actions.

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said by TamaraB:

The Internet is NOT your private home, it's a VERY public and open area.
The internet is not my private home, but my computer is. Quit confusing the two.

By your logic, if your house is on a public street, I have every right to walk right in if I want. And even if I have to pick your locks to get in, it's your fault because you didn't secure it well enough.

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said by The Antihero:

By your logic, if your house is on a public street, I have every right to walk right in...
Keep the door open and hang a sign saying "free food inside" and YES anyone has a right to walk in and take you up on the offer. This is what you do when you advertise a service on the public network, and allow anyone to access it. Use a browser, or other program, which invites and allows open software installs, and you are saying fill-er-up, I want it!

said by The Antihero:

And even if I have to pick your locks to get in, it's your fault because you didn't secure it well enough.
No, this is different! This is a break-in not a public invite. No one picks any locks in a drive-by infection, or in a virus infection, those are "invitations" not "break-ins"; no passwords have been hacked, the site or email only makes use of the available PUBLIC services which you, your browser, or mail client allows and advertises.

No one picks your lock if you share your files via netbios to the world, or if you automatically execute an install program... you have invited them in they did not break in!

Perhaps your angst is mis-directed? It's not the scammers, spammers, phishers, or hackers who are the problem (these folks have been around for thousands of years); perhaps it's the fault of the defective toys you have chosen to use? Perhaps you use them without reading or heading the warnings? Whatever the case, it's no-body's fault but your own 99% of the time!

What I see and read here is way too much anger and frustration directed towards those who use publicly available services offered up freely by users; and NO anger directed towards those manufacturers who build-in these "features" in the first place. The manufacturer, who sells a product, which invites and allows un-attended installations is the one who should bear the brunt of the anger and blame.

I have NEVER had a trojan, worm, virus, spyware, or any form of maleware on ANY of my computers, and I have been on the net since 1985!

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Re: Crap is crap

said by TamaraB:


No, this is different! This is a break-in not a public invite. No one picks any locks in a drive-by infection, or in a virus infection, those are "invitations" not "break-ins"; no passwords have been hacked, the site or email only makes use of the available PUBLIC services which you, your browser, or mail client allows and advertises.

No one picks your lock if you share your files via netbios to the world, or if you automatically execute an install program... you have invited them in they did not break in!

Perhaps your angst is mis-directed? It's not the scammers, spammers, phishers, or hackers who are the problem (these folks have been around for thousands of years); perhaps it's the fault of the defective toys you have chosen to use? Perhaps you use them without reading or heading the warnings? Whatever the case, it's no-body's fault but your own 99% of the time!

What I see and read here is way too much anger and frustration directed towards those who use publicly available services offered up freely by users; and NO anger directed towards those manufacturers who build-in these "features" in the first place. The manufacturer, who sells a product, which invites and allows un-attended installations is the one who should bear the brunt of the anger and blame.

I have NEVER had a trojan, worm, virus, spyware, or any form of maleware on ANY of my computers, and I have been on the net since 1985!

OK, whatever.

So, if you unknowingly install a defective lock on your house, and I know how to exploit its vulnerability, then it's OK for me to walk in, right?

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said by The Antihero:

So, if you unknowingly install a defective lock on your house, and I know how to exploit its vulnerability, then it's OK for me to walk in, right?
Nope! But is says a whole lot about your intelligence, and your ability to choose a good lock! Ignorance, laysiness, and carelessness. in my opinion, is NO EXCUSE for bad choices!

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said by TamaraB:


said by exocet_cm:

No way do I want something on my computer without my consent, PERIOD.
Then simply take the measures required to not install the crap in the first place. Seems if you don't want something, you just don't install it, yes?
I think you missed the part about "without my consent."

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said by The Antihero:

I think you missed the part about "without my consent."
One either gives explicit consent by installing the crap, or implicit consent by allow it to happen. In other words, if you don't take steps to prevent crap from being installed, you are consenting to it's installation.

In the final analysis, you, and only you, are responsible for what gets installed on your computer.

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Re: Crap is crap

I take the action to prevent it yes, and have not had a problem for a long time now.

The problem comes when spyware is hidden in what looks to be a legitimate program, whatever it may be, IE: aim, etc... you get the picture.
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said by exocet_cm:

I take the action to prevent it yes, and have not had a problem for a long time now.
Right! And those who don't should wear the dunce cap, face the corner, and stop complaining.

said by exocet_cm:

The problem comes when spyware is hidden in what looks to be a legitimate program, whatever it may be, IE: aim, etc...
I don't think any spyware comes with any of those programs! Spyware/Adware come only with "free" eye-candy software. The nuisance they cause is the price of "free". It's hard to scam an honest man or woman!

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Take head out of Butt please!

You're kidding right. Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money; writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves.

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said by FromThe Right:

You're kidding right. Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money; writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves.
The BIGGEST BLAME should be aimed at Microsoft for distributing defective software. Why don't we see more blame directed at the source of the disease instead of at the symptoms of the disease; the pimples and warts the disease causes?

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You're kidding right.
Nope!

said by FromThe Right:

Please take your head out of your butt, and put the blame where it belongs... On the people making money;
The most prolific people "making money" on people's ignorance and stupidity is Microsoft! They make more "MONEY" than any of the alternatives, and certainly more than the criminals they are in league with, and support!

said by FromThe Right:

writing programs whose sole purpose is to install themselves without a users knowledge... and designed to be VERY difficult to remove. Quit blaming the sheep, and start shooting the wolves.
The Wolves as you call them are are the manufactures of the OS which freely allows this sort of abuse!

If Brinks' trucks were as easy to break into as M$ OS's, Brinks would cease to be a viable company! What I want to know is why do people like you, continually make excuses for M$, and refuse to hold them accountable for their massive security failures? Is it because you can't bear to admit you made a mistake, or a bad choice? Or is it because you can't bear to actually learn something, and force yourself out of the cartoon-world of point-and-click M$ defective computers?

There ARE viable secure alternatives, why don't you take advantage of them? Is it because it requires more IQ than you possess?

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Re: Take head out of Butt please!

You must have worked in Tech support Bob.....

You have the same bitterness that half of my co-workers have.

I'm assuming from your repeated (M$) that's Microsoft btw...
bashing that you probably run some from of nix. Good for you, you know how to compile drivers and basically play with your os without ruining the computer. I would also assume that you are probably think of yourself as some kind of hacker. (not the malicious kind mind you). The problem I have is this, the internet is public and it was made for everyone not just computer savvy people. I can't blame Microsoft for the security holes it has because there is no way an os is ever 100% secure, period. Bash MS all you want but the truth is MS is a billion times more compatible with any hardware than nix will ever be, not to mention how many man hours people put in to "finding" exploits for Windows versus nix. Microsoft gets blasted the most because 85%-90% of home users are using it. Point is if nix was as wide spread you would see the same thing. Just imagine all the root exploits!

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said by schmattie:

The problem I have is this, the internet is public and it was made for everyone not just computer savvy people.
Not so! The Internet was designed and built by the military as a nuclear-hardened research and communications tool, not as a public entertainment medium.

The protocols which underlie the Internet were NOT designed for easy and secure use by the masses, rather, they were designed for use by savvy and technical people to do technical research. The "public" nature of the Internet was legislated, not designed.

Microsoft, for some reason (money?), "opened" it up to the public, but took no notice or precautions of it's inherent lack of security, (It's openness is by design) or of it's technical nature.

Most of the problems we see today with respect to security, spam, viruses, trojans, etc... is a result of this mis-guided and sloppy approach.

The Internet IS UNIX. The Internet was totally modeled after the UNIX OS, right from it's early UUCP beginnings. It was NEVER designed to be what Microsoft erroneously calls "easy" and "safe"; even though windows is designed to make it (falsely) look so. It's this difference between reality, and Microsoft-Advertised perception, and engineering which is at the root of the issue.

Under the current, and traditional structure of the Internet, it is not possible for the average "mom and pop" to "just click here, where do you want to go today" easily, safely and securely! That is an advertising lie pushed only my Microsoft! They are at fault, no one else!

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Re: Take head out of Butt please!

Not so! The Internet was designed and built by the military as a nuclear-hardened research and communications tool, not as a public entertainment medium.

you also said this a couple of posts before....?

The Internet is a PUBLIC space, unlike your home which is a PRIVATE space.

So which is it public or private?
it can't be both.

As far as that "military" reference that was arpnet which spawned the internet.

Yes the protocols were designed for military use but puff corn was designed originally as a packing material and now is a tasty treat. I could give a rats a== if it was designed in 1979 for military use, reality is that now it is used as a medium for entertainment.

Seriously quit being such a whiner about microsoft. They aren't the only ones that made money off this "new" medium you call the internet. Put aside your hate....
Everything isn't M$'s fault. Ford wouldn't recall F150's because the engine bottoms out if you forget to change the oil every 3000 miles. Nor would they recall if putting sugar in the tank ruined the fuel system.

Reality is this people are malicious, we are a bunch of bast==ds. Whatever you do someone will always find a way to ruin it. People should be punished harshly who do things like this. We don't get mad @ the company for not holding are hands and keeping us safe from the bad guys.

Also their have been revisions in the ip protocol btw I think we are ipv6 now.....that crap about not being designed for security is pretty much mute at this point.

Nothing is ever completely secure not even your nix box.
Just be thankful very few people use nix otherwise you would be experiencing the same problems.

BTW I have plenty of user to root exploits on nix that still work.

I love open source too but it has a way to go.
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What if you are trying out a new program that says is spyware free but really isn't? Not everyone will come right out and say. "Hey! We come bundled with spyware!" Also not every scanner will pick it up either. Especially if is new or a newer variant. So even if you take steps to prevent it from installing you still can get hit from time to time. I have cleaned machines that run Firefox, anti-trojan software etc. etc. etc. but still get hit.

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said by jsouth:

What if you are trying out a new program that says is spyware free but really isn't? Not everyone will come right out and say.
Google is your friend! There really are FEW excuses!!

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They shouldn't be allowed to do business PERIOD

Just as my topic explains they shouldn't be allowed to do business PERIOD!

No you shouldn't need a license but we do need shows like "call for help" now if G4 didn't buy out tech tv that would have worked but nope.

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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY

Is there a specific law against???



WhenU has frequently been accused of gaming search engine ranking results, and spearheaded a lawsuit against Utah to prevent passage of tough anti-spyware laws.



They fight to keep the laws from stopping them even though someone with an ounce of integrity would know what they do is wrong. Maybe the virus writers should target spyware companies and claim for their defense that an overwhelming majority of computer uses are happy that scumware companies' computers are crippled.

cork1958
Cork
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join:2000-02-26

Re: Is there a specific law against???

There you go. Good idea. Hell Yeah!!
The Antihero

join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
[BQUOTE=hedyd4u
They fight to keep the laws from stopping them even though someone with an ounce of integrity would know what they do is wrong. [/BQUOTE

Unfortunately, there are people out there who know what they're doing is wrong, but will justify it by saying, "There's no law against it."

gzuszgr8
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join:2004-11-19
Dover, DE

Crapware

No one should be allowed to install anything to my pc at home or on my work pcs with out my direct permission. Then if i want to unistall such crap I dont want to have to use 50 anti-spyware programs just to clean it off

alex4life
Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC

One Day

One day, there will be so much spyware and crapware out there that the computers of non tech savvy people will be so bogged down, they won't work. Something will give eventually, because people won't pay every few weeks to have their computer fixed when it becomes swamped with this crapware.
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"For in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's future, and we are all mortal." - John F. Kennedy

pog4
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join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI

Good thinking!

said by Xblock CEO:
"We would never partner with a company that was using security holes to install their software" Porter continues. "Or, as the case may be, using affiliates to exploit the security holes and reaping the benefits while claiming innocence."
I appreciate the insight in the above sentiment. It's refreshing to see a for-profit enterprise measuring something in terms other than (potential) dollars.

Further, I think anything that exploits security holes like this should automatically be defined as malware... no wriggle room possible.
xblock

join:2004-12-16
Willoughby, OH

Re: Good thinking!

Important Correction: For the record it was not WhenU or Claria making the pitch. (Although they would have gotten the same answer.) It was two of the "larger" adware companies. I prefer not to name them.

regards,
Wayne Porter
xblock

join:2004-12-16
Willoughby, OH

Correction

Important Correction: For the official record it was not WhenU or Claria making the pitch. (Although they would have gotten the same answer.) It was two of the "larger" adware companies. I prefer not to name them. Just wanted to make that clear.

regards,
Wayne Porter

oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA

WHORES!

...the lot of 'em. They can put make up on a pig but it's still a pig.