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Mary Esther, FL | What about your partners? Will it elimate spyware from MS's Partners?
I doubt it
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delt4
Anywhere but North
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Pittsburgh, PA
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| Re: What about your partners? said by Rob850  :Will it eliminate spyware from MS's Partners? I doubt it Rob » www.robfwb.com - the chat room IS open! Very interesting observation. Run adware and spybot after the MS scan. It would be very surprising to see what's left behind. | |
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John Galt
What...me panic??
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Happy Camp
| Re: What about your partners? said by Rob850 : Run adware and spybot after the MS scan. It would be very surprising to see what's left behind. Actually, it should be run Giant after running Ad-aware and Spybot S&D, and see what's left behind. Lots, you'll find out. Set it to scan everything...takes a while but you will see how insidious spyware really is. Wait until you find the deep embedded keystroke loggers that have been on your system for a loooong time. That will cheer you up...not! Giant is a very robust product, and very much more thorough than either of the other two. MS would do good not to screw with the product too much, and leave well enough alone. Google for test results comparing all of them. I believe there is a test that is referenced on this site. --
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | And because I have... MSN premium I will get stuck with this..... | |
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Smokey
I killed the Wabbit
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Va Beach
clubs: | Re: And because I have... All of those features are OPTIONAL You don't get stuck with anything you don't install on YOUR computer yourself.
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We're All Mad Here
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Clearwater, FL | Switch... To a REAL ISP! One that doesn't force it's software on you.
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Premium
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Missouri City, TX
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| Messenger Plus?? I'm kinda suprised to see this. Anyone who used MPlus would know that anyone can opt out of the adware feature..
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We don't miss you Bush
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bigyeah
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1 edit | Replace anything or additional protection? Would this new anti-spyware program replace another program i.e. Ad-aware, or will it just be additional protection. | |
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Joshua
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: Replace anything or additional protectino? Aditional Protection. | |
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| Re: Replace anything or additional protection? I'd only use it as additional protection (for at least a couple months) until it becomes accepted as being trustworthy.
And at that point MS will choose to allow thier "partners" to send you "advertising". Note, this is not spyware or adware, because they are MS partners.
Seriously, what idiot would trust their personal data to anything MS puts out? MS would never _really_ stop adware, especially if it comes from an MS "partner". Then is it just "targeted advertising".. | |
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bigyeah
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| Re: Replace anything or additional protection? said by AstroDrabb:I'd only use it as additional protection (for at least a couple months) until it becomes accepted as being trustworthy.
And at that point MS will choose to allow thier "partners" to send you "advertising". Note, this is not spyware or adware, because they are MS partners. Seriously, what idiot would trust their personal data to anything MS puts out? MS would never _really_ stop adware, especially if it comes from an MS "partner". Then is it just "targeted advertising".. Is this true, they will actually put ads on your computer in a anti-spyware program? | |
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Smokey
I killed the Wabbit
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join:2003-05-20
Va Beach
clubs: | Re: Replace anything or additional protection? No, internal beta only. | |
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nizbit
Learn to Swim
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join:2003-09-20
Grainy | Yay! Yay! That's great!! A Microsoft product and anti-spyware...What's the word I'm lookin for...Oh yeah, oxymoron.
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USA
1 edit | This could be good With real-time protection and updating, I believe this could be a real help in the fight against spyware, especially if Microsoft pushes this as an optional download through Windows update. For the people who only know to download Ad-aware and run it when their computer gets bogged down, this may be able to prevent a lot of problems from happening in the first place.
I just hope Microsoft does the right thing: give it away for free. Even if they make it like PhotoStory 3 and require verification of a legal license, that would be great. | |
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@charter.com | Convenient... they coded the very software that causes the problem... and now they want you to pay for more software to fix their crappy coding... | |
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
Premium
join:2004-04-13
Canada
| Re: Convenient... said by 3976473R:
they coded the very software that causes the problem... and now they want you to pay for more software to fix their crappy coding...
actually they coded the inital software, windows ie mediaplayer messenger, just other people outside took advantage of their coding efforts.
and there's not such thing as "impossible" in the computer world just like there's no such thing as "impossible" in the world of theory. | |
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| Re: Convenient... Stop talking such gibberish we all know he could code a better OS in his sleep.
Impossible is the word for we have not found a way to do it at the moment. There is no impossible in any case.
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My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Convenient... said by BosstonesOwn :Stop talking such gibberish we all know he could code a better OS in his sleep. Impossible is the word for we have not found a way to do it at the moment. There is no impossible in any case. As long as software is written by humans, there will be bugs, exploits, security holes, and so on. What he says is true, unless you can tell me one operating system or piece of software that has no holes, bugs, exploits, etc.
I thought so.
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| Re: Convenient... said by Nightfall : said by BosstonesOwn :Stop talking such gibberish we all know he could code a better OS in his sleep. Impossible is the word for we have not found a way to do it at the moment. There is no impossible in any case. As long as software is written by humans, there will be bugs, exploits, security holes, and so on. What he says is true, unless you can tell me one operating system or piece of software that has no holes, bugs, exploits, etc. I thought so. Man i really have to start using /sarcasm at the beginning of my sarcastic posts I guess typing doesn't show the sarcasm enough. 
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| Many computers are infected with adware because the users grant permission for the adware to install.
And if it was possible to create a bullet proof full function OS for multi-purpose computers, I would think that IBM or the *IX people would have come up with one by now.
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| Re: Convenient... said by keith2468 :Many computers are infected with adware because the users grant permission for the adware to install. And if it was possible to create a bullet proof full function OS for multi-purpose computers, I would think that IBM or the *IX people would have come up with one by now. Sarcasm was intended by the post. I am all for the development of coding. I know whats secure today is not secure tomorrow. Hell the way this planet is going it may not be secure in 15 minutes, let alone tomorrow.
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| Re: Convenient... Thanks Goedel, a solution to the halting problem would be nice. (And a free energy machine would be nice bonus as well.  ) It appears tools like 3976473R and Bosstones will continue to tell everyone how little they really know. | |
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| Re: Convenient... said by satellitejazz:Thanks Goedel, a solution to the halting problem would be nice. (And a free energy machine would be nice bonus as well. ) It appears tools like 3976473R and Bosstones will continue to tell everyone how little they really know. Hey stupid register. God I can't believe how people don't read well enough to understand sarcasm.
Boy some people are just all rocket scientists.
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My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Convenient... said by BosstonesOwn : said by satellitejazz:Thanks Goedel, a solution to the halting problem would be nice. (And a free energy machine would be nice bonus as well. ) It appears tools like 3976473R and Bosstones will continue to tell everyone how little they really know. Hey stupid register. God I can't believe how people don't read well enough to understand sarcasm. Boy some people are just all rocket scientists. Here's a hint
There are so many ways people can read someone and take it a certain way. Something I have learned....use the sarcasm tag. There are people here that actually say and believe what you said. Thats the scary part.
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Skyrunner8
join:2002-01-10
Berkeley, CA
| anti-virus next? The thing that gets me is, soon they will provide anti-virus. Do you trust microsoft to come out with definitions on time and good enough? Do you trust them in saying that there is a security hole in windows, another one of their products, that lets it happen? If the 'spyware' and 'antivirus' divisions play hardball with the windows guys, then that would be great news. but i doubt it will happen
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| Why Atlanta? I wonder if any MS reps have really seen the number of individuals in the Atlanta area with spyware. I used to do onsite service, well I still do, just not as much, and spyware / adaware is a huge problem for all of my clients (which are all in the Atlanta area).
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join:2004-06-05
Bartlesville, OK | spyware bout fucking time they decided to do something about spyware. although, like some of the other problems they have tryed to address, it will only be half-ass  (security center in SP2) | |
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join:2000-08-10
San Luis Obispo, CA
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| Re: spyware said by bswst501 :bout fucking time they decided to do something about spyware. although, like some of the other problems they have tryed to address, it will only be half-ass (security center in SP2) Why should they do anything? A majority of spyware is user installed. By the way, if you are trying to make a point, it's best to spell simple words correctly, otherwise it just looks foolish. | |
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Still Waiting For My Flashcom Rebates
join:1999-07-10
Brooklyn, NY
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marcseatac5
Great Northwest
Premium
join:2004-04-10
Milton, WA
2 edits | Re: This is excellent news. Yes I have Giant anti spyware running on 2 PC's paid for it and it is great! Came with a file shredder! It self updates every day. When I first got it I ran Adaware and SpybotSD, 0 results, ran Giant and found 9 critical infections.
Just hope MS doesn't screw it up!:)
The beta screenshots are identical to Giant which means you will be getting a very decent product for free. As I understood it Giant scans memory and the XP shell, which Adaware and SD didn't. It also identifies known spy's and restricts installation.
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JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO
| Why not see the glass half full? My guess is that MS is double-checking the old Giant just to be sure that it doesn't cause any problems. And hopefully, they're adding some features to help it deep clean the most pernicious infections.
I think it will be a real advantage having MS provide a product that can be coordinated with the actual code and programmers of the OS. And we can always continue to run another spyware cleaner if there are any doubts, or should MS decide in their own self-interest to ignore some marginal applications with which they are affiliated.
MS' self-interest lies in reasuring their corporate and governmental customers about security, so they should be motivated to do a good job of it. My guess is that they also realize that this is a strategic opporunity to bring people in house who can help keep their OS programmers on top of security issues. | |
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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
Premium
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
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| Giant I was going to buy Giant's software, but their website no longer lists it after MS bought them out. I'd like it to be a free download also, but what about the antitrust lawsuits. If they give this away, it's going to affect a lot of anti-spyware companies out there. | |
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join:2001-01-15
Orlando, FL
2 edits | Re: Giant um wow this actually is pretty fing good spyware detection software.... it even lists real vnc (legit app thats free and found at www.realvnc.com but could be installed without your consent and used to control your computer and monitor your actions) which i've always wondered why that program hasn't come up in virus scans or spyware scans even though i use it for my own legit purposes it just as easily could be used to for illegal purposes. it also found 3 ie browser plugins that were spyware (mostly search redirections that the other 2, adware and spybot didn't pick up). luckily i don't use ie anymore (use firefox) so it wasn't a big deal either way. and it found some adaware references from 'minibug' (never heard of it) in the registry that weren't cleaned up before. it did however pick up kazaa lite/k++ (hacked version with removed spyware) as an adware bundler. i no longer use it but that could be a problem for those who do. | |
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keith2468
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| Giant used to charge US$30 for its product.
Giant user base will increase by maybe 1,000x maybe 10,000x if MS makes it available (under whatever new name) as a free download.
The user base will go up by even more if they make it a critical update.
And the expertise of the people installing and running it is going to go way way down (from security enthusiast level to regular Windows user level).
What this means is that MS is going to have to do very thorough testing to ensure it is relatively bug free and compatible with a very wide variety of other products -- much more testing than Giant would have done.
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Missileman1
join:2001-03-20
Orlando, FL
| Screenshots ???? These could be genuine screen-shots, but I doubt it very much. I own a copy of Giant which I still run and was purchased right before the buy out. Those screen-shots are exact Giant screen-shots with Microsoft chopped in. I have never seen Microsoft make that simple of a change to an acquisition. I truly believe the desktop will be entirely redone, not just a logo change.
Stranger things have happened, but I think these screen-shots are either a chop job or a real early in-house copy, which means they are basically worthless. | |
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marcseatac5
Great Northwest
Premium
join:2004-04-10
Milton, WA
4 edits | Giant anti spyware. After I had Giant awhile and got familiar with it, when it would find something I would open the details on the problem item which it listed as 1 problem item. What I found was that it had actually found 336 separate instances of the one spyware. Was wondering if the spyware had replicated itself to send info to 336 servers?
I used to play Blackjack at Casino.net, famous spyware installer. Adaware used to catch them. I quit playing because every time I open Casino.net, it reinstalled all the crap. See nothing is really free. All the people that play the free version of the Casino games get beautiful games that are fun and free with 336 separate spyware items.
Giant found and removed it all, Adaware, Spybot SD didn't. Casino.net had found a way to install the spyware even with the program uninstalled and without a visit to their site. They had also found a way to hide the spyware from the 2 biggest free spyware removal programs.
Even with Giant I realize I still have spyware on my Comp, just alot less of it. Spyware is like somebody has a flashlight stuck up your ass all the time. I use Opera and AVG, restrict email to text and dump caches and restrict cookies but Giant finds a couple spy's a week. I still open IE6.0 from time to time and that doesn't help. My brother uses Adaware and IE6.0, he scans once a month and usually has about 30 items to remove. Same ones everytime he visits a handful of sites same ones. Spyware comes back in a matter of days. I am behind a router and use ZA. If I just surf my favorite sites I can go 2 weeks clean, but if I really start going to alot of new sites looking for stuff it is not hard to pick up new infections.
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keith2468
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
2 edits | $30 product for Free? Good Deal From MS If you haven't worked in a variety of environments the problems MS faces with distributing Giant may not be apparent.
Giant used to charge US$30 for this product.
The Giant AS user base will increase by maybe 1,000x maybe 10,000x if MS makes it available (under whatever new name) as a free download.
The user base will go up by even more if MS makes it a critical update, even if just to Windows XP and later.
With the increase in user base size, the expertise of the people installing and running the product is going to go way way down. Probably few people running Giant AS now don't know how to do self-support via the web, how to debug conflicts, etc., and probably few people running Giant AS now didn't have previous experience with the other more popular products.
If MS makes Giant AS available even just as a recommended update on Windows Update there will be tens of thousands of ordinary consumers installing it and wondering why their favorite porno, gaming, gambling and screen saver download websites no longer work, wondering why they are getting warnings about malware downloads, wondering why their favorite application has been flagged as adware.
What this means is that MS is going to have:
1. Do very thorough testing to ensure it is relatively bug free.
2. Test that it is compatible with a very wide variety of other popular products -- including non-MS products.
3. Upgrade the user interface, configuration instructions, and help file to ensure that the there is enough guidance for ordinary windows users and that it enough of it is in language consumers can understand, so that support resources aren't overwhelmed.
4. Probably upgrade parts of the user interface and functioning so that users can more easily grant permission for what you and I would consider adware to continue functioning. (MS can't be as inflexible about banning suspect software, since MS is a big target with deep pockets, and almost a monopoly, and so a much easier target for lawsuits by adware makers.)
5. Although it was acceptable for Giant AS to not get anywhere near all adware, and although it was acceptable for Adaware and Spybot S&D to get even less adware, once Giant AS becomes an MS product, people are going to start complaining shrilly that it isn't 100% thorough. | |
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