SBC Unveils 'U-Verse'Bell's next-gen service gets a name ( old news - 05:27PM Thursday Jan 06 2005) tags: dsl · Fiber · telcoAt the CES show today, SBC officially named their next-generation broadband service set to emerge this year: "U-verse". Speaking at the show, SBC CEO Edward Whitacre Jr. said the service will offer hundreds of channels, data speeds between 20-25Mbps, and VoIP services - if you can get it. Previously only known as "Project Lightspeed", SBC says they'll deliver U-Verse to some 18 million households by the end of 2007 - at a cost of between four to six billion dollars. Like Verizon's Fios, SBC will at first largely target dense affluent neighborhoods. Unlike Fios, the service isn't fiber straight to the home. It's fiber to the node, then next generation DSL to your door. It's estimated Fios costs Verizon more than $1,200 per home install. SBC's solution is less expensive ($200-$300 per home), though critics charge they're underestimating the bandwidth they'll need to provide HD content down the road. To ease that video bandwidth crunch, SBC earlier this week announced an agreement with 2Wire, who will offer SBC users a hybrid Satellite receiver HD-DVR, which will also integrate Yahoo broadband content. That deal appears to be a stop-gap measure, different from the company's plan to offer set-top IPTV U-verse boxes. This slide taken from an SBC investor update gives some insight into their thought process as it pertains to video services. While SBC gave U-Verse a name, the company offered no prices, and offered no hints about which areas they'd target first. Users in our forums have noted the company has been engaged in residential trials in Missouri for some time. "It's easy for our imagination to outpace our ability to deliver," said Whitacre in his CES keynote. "But in 2005, SBC will deliver." Related:- Monday Evening Links
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  Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
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| All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. Why do I have a feeling that SBC and BellSouth can talk the talk but can't walk it? They are all talk and no action. "Fiber here, 22mbps there".. yea? I'll believe it when I AM ON IT. Until then, I don't care what they annoce at any "shows" or conventions. -- They cannot destroy our society, they cannot destroy our believe in the democratic way. They can destroy buildings, they can kill people and we will be sadden by these tragedies but they will never be allowed to kill the spirit of democracy! God Bless! | |
|  |   oliphant I Have 8 Boobies Premium join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA | Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. Tell that to PA where Verizon stole billions of taxpayer dollars in exchange for fiber deployment that never happened. | |
|  |  |   xdeadhead 220, 221, Whatever It Takes. Premium join:2000-11-08 Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. yawn. | |
|  |  |  |   DaneJasper Sonic.Net Premium,VIP join:2001-08-20 Santa Rosa, CA clubs:
| There go the ISPs So - now free from the requirement to act as a common carrier and allow all ISPs to purchase wholesale service, the monopolization will begin.
Someday, you'll have two choices - SBC/Yahoo or Comcast. BroadBandReports.com should probably register the domain name SBCComcastReports.com now.
-Dane | |
|  |  |  |   SquareSlinky Premium join:2004-05-25 Tampa, FL | Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. I am with him, YAWN. | |
|  |   AuraReturn Premium join:2003-08-18 San Francisco, CA clubs:
| Hey guys, try to come up with something more original than "I'll believe it when I see it". Every time news about the next generation broadband shows up, all you "non-believers" are all over the forum. No future broadband service will be instantly available, so you can quit trolling SBC and other companies. Besides, they are trying to get us more speed for about the same price. | |
|  |  |   Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
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| Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. said by AuraReturn :Hey guys, try to come up with something more original than "I'll believe it when I see it". Every time news about the next generation broadband shows up, all you "non-believers" are all over the forum. No future broadband service will be instantly available, so you can quit trolling SBC and other companies. Besides, they are trying to get us more speed for about the same price. It's all marketing schemes to get people to signup with their service to be "eventually upgraded".
Trying tog et us more speed for about the same price? Thats no moto for the Bells. More like "get more speed for your first child" -- They cannot destroy our society, they cannot destroy our believe in the democratic way. They can destroy buildings, they can kill people and we will be sadden by these tragedies but they will never be allowed to kill the spirit of democracy! God Bless! | |
|  |  |  |   dg2 Premium join:2004-01-22 Lowell, AR | Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. My first child is still waiting for her Sprint ION connection. A few more years, and they'll have to hook her up at college... | |
|  |  |  |   AuraReturn Premium join:2003-08-18 San Francisco, CA clubs:
| said by Rob : said by AuraReturn :Hey guys, try to come up with something more original than "I'll believe it when I see it". Every time news about the next generation broadband shows up, all you "non-believers" are all over the forum. No future broadband service will be instantly available, so you can quit trolling SBC and other companies. Besides, they are trying to get us more speed for about the same price. It's all marketing schemes to get people to signup with their service to be "eventually upgraded". Trying tog et us more speed for about the same price? Thats no moto for the Bells. More like "get more speed for your first child" Hey, they are giving us more speed for less and less money right now. | |
|  |   lostsoul187
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| this Information comes from the same Ceo that said sbc dsl had 100% coverage in all area through the use of repeater in his program called extendaline. Guess what, 1.It doesn't cover My area. 2. If you ask a rep at sbc about it, they have no clue about who ceo ed whitacre is, or what the extendaline service is. In fact, I had a rep transfer me to the technicain in the field, who said, there was no such thing. Sounds like sbc is trying to get stock prices up, and keep the Goverment, who gave them a limited time to get deployment out, off there back. -- up from the ground down from the sky lostsoul will arive | |
|  |  |   footballdude Premium join:2002-08-13 Imperial, MO
| Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. said by lostsoul187 :If you ask a rep at sbc about it, they have no clue about who ceo ed whitacre is, or what the extendaline service is. People at SBC have no clue who Whitacre is? Statements like that blow your credibility. | |
|  |  |  |   lostsoul187
join:2003-05-05 Schertz, TX | Re: All Talk and no Action.. except for Verizon. go ahead, call sbc and ask them who ed whitacre is, I dare you | |
|  |  |   Abe Froman
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| 1.) Email me your address in that San Antonio (home of Eddie) suburb of yours and I'll let you know if in fact you will have less than adequate service with your VoIP or if you can get DSL.
2.) Yes, out of 175,000 of us, where 170,000 or so choose to invest more than the required amount into SBC shares in their 401k, I am willing to go out on a limb and say the fact is, we probably respect him more than the average Southwest Airlines employee respects their fearless leader. And, he doesn't smoke.
Ever hear the joke, "what's the two most feared words in the telecom industry? said by Sir Ed: Howdy Folks
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|  |  |   Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY | Hmmm Why didn't they call it "Up-Yours" With SBC's track record I think it would be a much better and more accurate name. | |
|  |   batageek Slave To The Duopoly Premium join:2003-01-25
2 edits | Re: Hmmm I was going with the similar approach...
They'll charge you per second used and call it "Per-Verse"
or maybe it will deliver so many popups and spam as part of the monthly costs, they'll call it "Ad-Verse?"
Or keep customers waiting so long they call it "U-Wish?"
I'm reaching, I know....I think you've topped me..... | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |   dg2 Premium join:2004-01-22 Lowell, AR | Re: Hmmm Maybe "U-fell for it again"?  | |
|  nasadude
join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | this almost hurts this may cause me pain, but I have to say SBC's plans make me glad I am served by Verizon. | |
|   dslwanter Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH
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| Cool Well this all sounds like fun but let me tell you, unless I move I won't see this until my great great great grandson graduates college. -- The Bomb 102, playing all the Top-40 Chart Bombers. »www.thebomb102.tk, check us out! We are now very successful thanks to DSL. | |
|   DaSneaky1D one wall to block them all Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou | I'll take that... . ---- with that grain of salt | |
|  scr4t
join:2003-03-11 Columbia, MO | Right... "In 2005 SBC will deliver"... right. Lets see how far they've gotten at the end of the year. | |
|   DrTCP Yours truly Premium,ExMod 1999-04 join:1999-11-09 Round Rock, TX
| Verizon vs SBC If it is costing $1200 per customer for Verizon, it is unlikely to have long term traction beyond trials. The cost should come down or Verizon should offer much more revenue generating services over the fiber to recuperate costs and make money.
However much I like fiber, I think SBC's approach of fiber to the hub and VDSL (or ADSL2+, 3 etc.) for the remainder short distance may be more feasible from business point of view. | |
|  |  Zoder
join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL | Re: Verizon vs SBC It's not really that much when you think about it. With triple play customers they can recover that cost in less than 3 years. The original phone network took decades to recover the costs. | |
|  |  |  bogey780
join:2004-03-19 Here | Re: Verizon vs SBC Not really. They'll have to upgrade their backbone and pay licensing fees and hire whole new crews. 100$ a month ain't gonna cut it. | |
|  |  |   DrTCP Yours truly Premium,ExMod 1999-04 join:1999-11-09 Round Rock, TX
| said by Zoder :It's not really that much when you think about it. With triple play customers they can recover that cost in less than 3 years. The original phone network took decades to recover the costs. I am not sure if the customers are going to commit for such long periods! I am personally not warm to any contract that lasts more than 1 year. With Cable and Satellite and other alternatives countering the offer (and not everyone would like triple and quadruple play with one service provider for various reasons) the investment is unlikely to recover the infrastructure costs of making the service available. The cost of deployment should come down to $500-600 level for meaningful recovery and turning profits to shareholders. | |
|  |  |  |  BosstonesOwn
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| Re: Verizon vs SBC They are not relying on contracts to solve the problem. Verizon knows that this is thier next step of they lose to comcast.
If comcast can provide a phone service that has even a small problem they can scoop up the people who are hating the service.
Now the life span of fiber is incredibly large. So they are banking on the future of the product. Now picture in 3 years when they use the money to roll out over a large area of thier map. They are still taking in money on copper that is already paid for. They also have other areas of income such as ld and it is going to help pay for this fiber. Once the fiber is laid and they get video over that pipe it's all paid for in months.
Since it takes 2 years of just net service to pay off the fiber per customer anything after that is profit and can be reused. It will take roughly 4 to 5 years to pay off and become pure profit on the fiber in a city alone. and that is using high balled numbers. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|   Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| A picture of SBC's deployment spread it thick there is more where that came from |
Here is the first picture of U-Verse being installed | |
|  |   Trimline Premium join:2004-10-24 Orlando, FL | Re: A picture of SBC's deployment Fabulous! You made my day. And truly, it *is* SBC's deployment.... - hand me the smellvelope. | |
|  |  flushls
join:2004-11-02 Joyce, WA | Hey I did not give you permision to print that picture of me besides Southwester bluster Co sux QWORST sux most. heehee.
By the way good post FLMAO
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|   DrewCapu Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19 California clubs: | I think something is missing... U-Verse?...
Oh, I know what's missing...
Ni! Ni! Ni! | |
|   Mr Anon
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| IL reisdents Wake up! Hello,
Becuase I know a retired member I've found some intreting infomration. The IBEW is already getting set to state their opinions on this matter and I'm not sure just what its going to be about.
In IL THE YEAR is something intresting comming up called the Telecommunication rewirte act! As I have said I don't know what issues are going to be addressed but Get involved and let the powers know what you want!
... then again we said we didn't want the IPass forced down our throats but they did it any way. | |
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join:2004-07-13 Cape Girardeau, MO 1 edit | Re: IL reisdents Wake up! I don't have a problem with people getting Fiber, but it's BS that they will have about half their customers covered by it. They hardly have 50% coverage on their DSL. Going beyond the call my a**! | |
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| Maybe I forgot to say that this isn't directly related to the post, its just something that isn't widely known and could affect they way telecommunications take place in IL for a long time now. For that reason alone every IL person should look into it. | |
|  |  |   Octopussy2 Premium join:2003-03-30 Batavia, IL
1 edit | Re: IL reisdents Wake up! If everyone wants to see how SBC normally does business in IL all they have to do is look at www.tricitybroadband.com! They lie, lie,lie! And they certainly don't provide 6Mbps service to residents in the Tri-Cities...After all, watch the SBC Network President of IL, Kirk Brannock tell the Batavia, IL City Council on video 3Mbps is ALL we will ever need and fiber is an unproven technology. The video link is on our homepage....
SBC IL, if anyone remembers, tried to do an end-around in the IL Legislature in 2003 to raise their wholesale line rates for competitors instead of going through the ICC. Gov. Blago signed the legislation, in a record 3 hours, the CLEC's and others hired lawyers and had the legislation overturned by a judge and SBC was forced to go through PROPER channels (the ICC) to ask for a wholesale line rate increase. When they didn't get the $16 increase they demanded, and instead got a $4 increase, they immediately filed another case with the ICC to raise THOSE rates! This is ongoing....
SBC, of course, hopes to price all competitors out of the market. AT&T and MCI have already left the market for providing anymore local service and have stopped taking any new local service customers. Will any small local service carriers survive in IL?
IL. BETTER wake up with the Telecom rewrite in session! I am sure SBC wants to block a muni's right to provide services to residents as well. Soon, munis will be the only ones who will be left who will be able to build a network to compete with the likes of SBC or Comcast, for that matter. Lets not let IL become the next Pennsylvania. WAKE UP IL!!!! -- It's muni-licious! »www.tricitybroadband.com | |
|   ib50MbSoon Formerly TwoKDialup Premium join:2002-06-07 Coloma, MI
| If this U-farce service is so wonderful... and there will be so much bandwidth available, why do they need a satellite dish?
No thanks, I'll keep Comcast. They already actually deliver all those things and more, right here in RURAL Coloma, MI. No fugly satellite dish required. Just a 150' of RG6 buried in my lawn. -- The telcos make promises, Comcast delivers! | |
|  |  |   footballdude Premium join:2002-08-13 Imperial, MO
| Re: It is amazing how far we have come... said by Nightfall :Oh, I forgot the typical broadbandreports.com members motto... "If it isn't available now, then it is [insert word here]" 1. crap 2. suck 3. false 4. all of the above Add to that,
"If a Bell company cures cancer, they still sUxOrS!". | |
|  |  |   Centrilium Totoro Premium join:2002-11-21 MY | Re: It is amazing how far we have come... Triple play is unlikely with 25mbps..unlike fiber which has virtually unlimited bandwidth metallic based DSL has problems delivering HDTV,high pseed internet and VoIP all n one bundle. | |
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