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Yet another state bought
(old news - 12:35PM Wednesday Jan 12 2005)
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Indiana may join the growing list of states banning towns and cities from building their own broadband networks - at the request of powerful telco and cable lobbyists. Indiana House Bill number 1148 is jam packed with provisions ensuring community efforts to improve themselves will die slow and painful legal deaths.

Esme Vos over at Muni-Wireless calls it the "Keep Indiana on dial-up" bill. As she notes, towns like Scottsburg, Indiana approached Verizon about bringing broadband to their neighborhood, and were told such plans weren't financial viable.

Since nobody else would, Scottsburg decided to wire themselves with broadband.

At a cost of $385,000, the community piggybacked on a local power utility's fiber, deploying a wireless network for the town's 6,000 residents. According to Scottsburg's Mayor, the move ultimately saved the town $6000 per month in telecommunications costs, and a number of local jobs.

"I am one of the medical transcriptionists in Scottsburg and I absolutely LOVE this system, without it I would have had to either relocate or quit my job and I doubt it would have been the latter," notes one of several local residents praising the system at the end of Esme's article.

Then there's Auburn Indiana, who Verizon also refused to serve. One of the town's major employers was preparing to move 75 programmers out of town due to feeble telecom infrastructure. The city unveiled a plan to run its own fiber, in turn tapping into Sprint's cross-country fiber-optic lines.

The jobs stayed.

Enter the bells and cable companies. They don't want to serve towns like Scottsburg or Auburn, but don't want them serving themselves either - just in case they someday become a competitive threat. Fifteen states now have some kind of law on the books banning municipal operations, and dozens more are in the works.

Supporters of HB 1148 will argue it's not an outright ban, but as media activist Sascha Meinrath points out, it's cleverly designed to keep any community planning such networks in legal limbo indefinitely.

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markopoleo

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Bonne Terre, MO

More proof that big business IS the government.

..and the citizens have to revolt to get things done right.

zoom314
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Re: More proof that big business IS the governmen

said by markopoleo See Profile:

..and the citizens have to revolt to get things done right.
I agree, It is the business and duty of a duly elected Government to Help Citizens when the private sector can't or won't.

BonezX
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Re: More proof that big business IS the governmen

said by zoom314 See Profile:

said by markopoleo See Profile:


..and the citizens have to revolt to get things done right.
I agree, It is the business and duty of a duly elected Government to Help Citizens when the private sector can't or won't.
doesn't matter, the cable and phone and data companies have their fists so far up government asses that they can do whatever they want.

DHRacer
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Why bother

Why bother having state governments?

I think the Federal gov't should just auction off each state to the highest bidding company. They can control everything and do nothing, and the people will finally be happy.

It doesn't seem to matter who you put in office these days. Their spine disappears with the first bribe/kickback/payoff of that elected official.

I don't understand the concept of businesses buying off states. I thought government was supposed to be more powerful than corporations.

We're well on the way to being the United Corporations of America.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Corporations of America and to the many companies for which it stands, under a greedy, rich CEO, totally divided, and with no freedom to choose and justice for no one but big business"

markopoleo

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Bonne Terre, MO

Re: Why bother

Like every government in history of this world, its run by money not right or wrong. Currency is evil

Sr Tech
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New Fairfield, CT
As they say Money Talks, BS walks.

It appears that the communication companies are lining the politicians pockets enough to make them happy.

linicx
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We're well on the way to being the United Corporations of America.
No we are not.
However, we ARE well on the way to being owned by one or more foreigners. Half of US resources are already owned by Europe or Asian entities and the USD is at its lowest in years.
Kearnstd
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bah secretly build the wireless and say its for the police cars to access DMV records and such when they do a stop. then out of the blue offer service and tell the lawyers to shove it.
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AthlGrond
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said by DHRacer See Profile:

It doesn't seem to matter who you put in office these days. Their spine disappears with the first bribe/kickback/payoff of that elected official.
This is mostly due to people not paying any attention to local/state politics. They would prefer only to pay attention to national elections.

Since no one pays any attention no one holds their politicians responsible. Since the politicians see that they can get away with murder, they commit murder. (figuratively speaking of course)

Now who was it that was supposed to be surprised by this turn of events?
LauraAnn

join:2005-01-26
Indianapolis, IN

Re: Why bother

I am not surprised at all that this anti-municipal broadband, deepen the digital divide bill was introduced in Indiana. I do follow local and state politics here in Indiana and I am trying to do something about it. If you have any information to share to help us defeat this legislation in Indiana, please contact me at laura.arnold@thearnoldgroup.biz.
zubov

join:2002-09-16
Reading, PA
I like your pledge, but the cadence of it is off at the end, it could use a little reworking

footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

said by DHRacer See Profile:

I don't understand the concept of businesses buying off states. I thought government was supposed to be more powerful than corporations.

We're well on the way to being the United Corporations of America.
The solution is easy and simple. Stop taxing corporations and then make it illegal for them to get involved with any elected official. Don't take taxes from them and don't take contributions from them. They would then be out of the equation.

AthlGrond
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Re: Why bother

said by footballdude See Profile:

The solution is easy and simple. Stop taxing corporations and then make it illegal for them to get involved with any elected official. Don't take taxes from them and don't take contributions from them. They would then be out of the equation.
Except that the people that run the corporations can still make contributions... Nope, that whole restrict them route is a bad idea, better to just have full disclosure at least then it won't be hidden or disguised.
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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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Here is what needs to happen....

The next public hearing they have for this bill, someone should go in armed with the following paperwork:

1. Amount each state rep and senator received from Verizon or any other cable/telco for campaign contributions.

2. Any public statements each state rep said against muni operations.

3. Areas these reps and senators live in (if they can get broadband or not.)

It seems these guys have made their minds up BUT let them try and explain themselves. And invite the media to see the show. I'll bet they will love the fireworks.

Even ask the telcos and cable companies to stop by and explain themselves when they say they won't service an area.
flushls

join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA

I hate to be mean but.....

I think you should quit bitching. You have access to the internet so you have access to the following.

Addresses and Phone # of your
State senator
State Rep.

Congressman
2 Federal Senators

If you live in an effected state call them, Write them, Have your mother and her dog do the same.
And don't waste your hate on this forum.

Flushls

DHRacer
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Re: I hate to be mean but.....

I think you should be realistic.

The power of this nation is no longer in the hands of the people. It doesn't matter who you vote for and what they promise to get elected. It all goes out the window as soon as they sit in the office and the lobbyists take over.

Go ahead and write your letters. Write until your hand falls off, then switch hands until the other falls off. Then write with your one foot, then the other.

Politicians are always looking for free toilet paper, give them a lifetime supply. It will never amount to ANYTHING, as long as politicians are taking money from companies.

Change that first and this country may be saved.

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flushls

join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA

Re: I hate to be mean but.....

You can put a $20 in with the letter you would be surprise how much of a difference it makes you usually get a response back.

I am not be sarcastic. Really I am not. I swear it.

Flushls
Cyron

join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
It's not just kickbacks and campaign contributions. These politicians are looking out for their well-being once they're out of office. As long as they side with the corporations, they'll have a nice cushy job waiting for them.

Bill
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clubs:

I like the non-slanted news...

I'm sorry Karl Bode See Profile, but this sounds more like your opinion on the Bill. Obviously you have something against banning Muni's.

The people that support Muni's are probably paying the cities/governments also. Both sides are paying these people to vote their way; it's not just the big bad corporations that pay big $$ for votes.
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C0deZer0
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Re: I like the non-slanted news...

But the muni's don't get the TAX BREAKS that King Dubya and our current administration has allowed.

Minister

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It's labeled op-ed. Don't whine about bias, simply disagree.

quote:
The people that support Muni's are probably paying the cities/governments also.
Irrelevant. Only one side of this debate is drafting model legislation, covertly funding bogus stat-farms like the Heartland institute, buying off lawmakers, and changing laws in order to crush their opponent. Give me a break.

Bill
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Re: I like the non-slanted news...

quote:
It's labeled op-ed
Where's it say its opinion? The only thing I see is "News Article".

Minister

join:2002-01-02
Fleeting

Re: I like the non-slanted news...

Look over on the right....all the longer articles are called "editorial". This site is purely consumer driven. I don't think it makes any pretense to present news from any angle than the pro-consumer position.

In this case consumers clearly don't benefit from having their attempts to wire themselves crushed.

If you want regurgitated pro-bell Press releases, there's plenty of places for you to go.

Have any actual points to make about the logic behind banning community's from improving themselves?
mythology

join:2002-10-16
Seneca, SC

BS

That is **ed up. Sounds like the local governments need to take care of things the old fashion way, a angry mod of rednecks with double-barrel shotguns and banjos. "We don't want to offer you broadband and you cant build your own network because we say so, we are the phone company and we own this town"

woody7
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Torrance, CA
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Hmmmm.........

This isn't about the Munis per say .....all they are doing is what the corps won't do. seems the munis need the upgrade service to save money and streamline their efficiency, and resell to the people....then the corps are whining that it is not fair (sic )after they claim it is not economically viable ....if the voters got off their a$$es and become somewhat informed, and have their bull $hit deflectors working, then this would all be a moot point....aren't these mostly "red" states by the way? Oh and by the way I would love to work in less urban area if I could get somewhat descent fast reliable service, not caring who offered it...
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flushls

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Joyce, WA

Intel to back broadband role for cities

»www.news.com/

Intel to back broadband role for cities

By Richard Shim
»news.com.com/Intel+to+back+broad···714.html

Story last modified Tue Jan 11 17:47:00 PST 2005

Chip giant Intel on Wednesday plans to provide a high-level perspective on the ongoing debate over the role of the public and private sectors in providing broadband services.
In a speech at the Wireless Communications Association in San Jose, Calif., Intel Executive Vice President Sean Maloney is expected to encourage commercial service providers and public agencies such as city governments and municipalities to work together in building out new broadband infrastructure.

Intel has a keen interest in the proliferation of wireless broadband technology and industries using it; by early next year it plans to produce WiMax chips for networking equipment that carriers can use to sell high-speed Internet access to consumers. WiMax is a promising wireless broadband technology allowing data to be wirelessly transmitted across several miles at transfer rates of several megabits per second.

"Sole responsibility, either from government or a single carrier, of a city's wireless network is not the best solution for growing the market," said a source familiar with the chipmaker's position in wireless broadband policy. "A sharing of responsibilities is what will encourage broadband adoption, and that will be a key point in Intel's policy proposal."

Maloney will outline the company's high-level policy position and will speak out against efforts to ban municipally owned networks. In recent years, phone companies and cable providers have actively lobbied local and state governments to ban public agencies and municipalities from building their own communications networks. The commercial providers have been successful in some regions of the country.

In some instances, commercial providers will be able to build networks and offer the best network choice to customers at affordable prices. But in other instances, such as low-income areas or rural locations, it might make more sense for a city or some other municipality to build the infrastructure.

"We welcome Intel's position and strongly support collaboration between the public and private sectors," said Jim Baller, a principal attorney for the Baller Herbst Law Group and a leading expert on municipally owned networks.

Intel's position is partly in response to strong lobbying by Verizon Communications that helped lead to the passage of a law in Pennsylvania that prohibits cities from offering Internet access to their residents for a fee. Verizon and other incumbent phone companies had urged legislators to ban municipally owned networks to prevent other cities from following the lead of Kutztown, a small college town near Allentown that set up its own telephone, Internet and TV system in 2002.

Phone companies and cable providers argue that municipalities that build and own their communications networks have an unfair advantage because they are backed by public funds. They claim that the municipalities will drive them out of business by offering services at greatly reduced prices.

On the other side, communities that want to build their own networks argue that they want broadband services now, and they are not willing to wait until it becomes economically feasible for commercial providers to build the infrastructure.

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Minister

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Re: Intel to back broadband role for cities

Well in this case Intel wants those Munis to use WIMAX, so it's greed-based. But I'm sure the munis appreciate the help wherever it comes from.

DrTCP
Yours truly
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Round Rock, TX

Texas may be next

Texas legislature will be taking state telecom laws soon. Initial newspaper articles indicate such muni-broadband initiatives might be banned here as well (especially if SBC and Verizon open up the purse)

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Re: Texas may be next

They already exist, as far as I know. In fact I think Texas was one of the first.

Texas Utilities Code Sections 543.201 and 54.202 prohibit Texas cities from providing telecommunications services.

I believe the City of Abilene already fought (and lost) a case concerning being able to provide Muni service.

DrTCP
Yours truly
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Re: Texas may be next

Well, I guess whatever loopholes they left last time, they will plug those in. Free Wi-Fi in the cities would be the victim

Karl Bode
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Re: Texas may be next

Yeah, probably.

Just seems so stupid to me. Here we have this opportunity to fill in coverage gaps and we're banning them state-wide, instead of exploring each plan on a case-by-case basis and letting the people decide if A. they need it B. they can afford it.
Kearnstd
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why cant the laws be inverted and make the companies provide full service to ever town in the state, its their job as a public utility. im sure the gov would step in if the power company didnt wire a town saying its not profitable to provide electrical power to them.............
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DrTCP
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Re: Texas may be next

said by Kearnstd See Profile:

why cant the laws be inverted and make the companies provide full service to ever town in the state, its their job as a public utility. im sure the gov would step in if the power company didnt wire a town saying its not profitable to provide electrical power to them.............
Only traditional voice is regulated. Telco can pick and choose what other service it would like, the price and the location.

Telcos want to get back to being monopolies but without the regulatory nuisance. They want the cake and they are determined to eat it all too!

bolt
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ARRGGHHH

The thing that sucks is that most of the places that will do muni wireless are the places the telcos won't serve anyway. The small town I live in is looking into muni wireless because of Scottsburg's success. Being a neighbor, I can tell you how much the residents like having it. I was told by the telephone guy that I was the first person in town with ISDN. Do you think that they are going to bring DSL to the town anytime soon? Let's just say, it's not on the horizon. As a technology worker I am absolutely abhorred by the lack of response by the telcos in our area. It hurts those of us who want some kind of broadband, but can't get it. It hurts our students, who's learning experiences could be much richer. It hurts everyone but the telcos. If the sate is going to does this, they MUST mandate that the telcos serve everyone, not just the major population areas.
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lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Another View

This just puts us one step closer to the next divestiture. The corporate world will keep pushing this tripe and eventually enough people will be affected. Only after the enough people realize this has adversely affected them will action start. Eventually we will either see law suits or state constitutions amended by the voter initiative.
cheesus

join:2002-08-16
Lompoc, CA
·Verizon west (ex G..

Well

Our muni wireless will be ready for service next week and ftth will be within the next 2 years. I already get a signal from the wireless and they are only gonna charge $15 a month for 1.5/1.5mb. Compared to the other wisp in our area which is $600 for the equipment and $80 a month for 384/128kb. I'm all for muni broadband.

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Introducing Auburn

In case you aren't a car buff, Auburn Indiana is where the Internationally famous Auburn Chord Dusenburg Festival. During its fall and spring shows, 90+% of ESPN2 airtime is devoted to showing the auction. The venue was bought for a few years by EBay, if you're interested in the online details of Auburn. The residents there are very nice people, mostly "ruralites". They already get inundated twice a year by huge masses of people, and now the monopolies are bullying their Muni effort.

For future reference, I live 45 minutes south of Auburn in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

I will not stand for this, and I think I'm in a unique position to do something about it. I think I have enough clout among my (high) school newspaper's staff to at least suggest at least a front page article on this, written by somebody on the staff. If that doesn't work, my brother's best friend is the son of the owner of a large circulation local newspaper. I know my brother's friend pretty well, and he's done personal favors (not relating to journalism) for me in the past. That is an alternate/additional route. I will name other options that are BBR member inclusive in a thread in the Tech Politics forum. It will have the bill number in the title.

% LM/out

ib50MbSoon
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Coloma, MI

Don't feed the telco pig!

At a cost of $385,000, the community piggybacked on a local power utility's fiber, deploying a wireless network for the town's 6,000 residents. According to Scottsburg's Mayor, the move ultimately saved the town $6000 per month in telecommunications costs, and a number of local jobs.

Wow! $385,000 / 6000 = ~$64 per resident. Yup, that evil muni stuff sure has the potential to bankrupt a small town.
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NKC_Casino_Worker

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A little info for you

Go to this link and read this. It will fill you in a little on how this little town is treated. This is the treatment many small towns receive, and that is why the local government implementing this is a good thing.

»kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansa···l?page=1

NKC_Casino_Worker

@rr.com

Re: A little info for you

Reading these postings makes me very aware that most people don't know how the taxes work that come from a casino. The state sets what percentage of taxes goes to the state, and what goes to the city the casino resides in. These taxes that are being used in NKCs case are not voted on or demanded by its residents.

Here is a little information about NKC. It is a small town filled with blue collar workers that for the majority cannot afford to pay Time Warner's high prices. There are a lot of young starting families and older retired people. NKC taking casino money (which they have no say so in how much they get) to implement a broadband/telephone service is the best thing for this town.

Hopefully other towns across the country can do the same so we can catch up to other parts of this country and the world. This country used to be the innovator for new technology, but that is not the case anymore. We don't put enough into infrastructure and education to keep us playing at that top notch level we used to. Japan and China are constantly surpassing us. We are now in an economy where the US dollar is not all powerful like it used to be.
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