 spewakR.I.P DadkinsPremium join:2001-08-07 Elk Grove, CA kudos:1 Reviews:
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| And That is what is wrong when all these acronyms get tossed out like yesterdays garbage. In general, people do not care. They have no earthly idea what their supposed connection speed is. They just want to get email and god only knows what other things from the internet. -- The weekend is here, grab a can of beer!
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| Re: And said by spewak: They just want to get email and god only knows what other things from the internet. Porn, email, illegal music, illegal movies (advanced users), more porn, Xbox live, and youtube. | |
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| Re: And said by baineschile:said by spewak: They just want to get email and god only knows what other things from the internet. Porn, email, illegal music, illegal movies (advanced users), more porn, Xbox live, and youtube. it doesn't take an advanced user to download movies illegally | |
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Probably true If I ever tried to explain Fiber To The Home to grandpa and grandma baineschile, they would probably be looking for a Metamucil delivery man the next day. | |
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| Re: Probably true said by digitalfreak:said by hottboiinnc:thank you for making my point all along with these buildouts- ie muni builds. I love how some folks just have to interject unrelated bullshit into a conversation. I believe his post relates to his belief that DSL is good enough. -- The weekend is here, grab a can of beer!
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 |  |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | said by hottboiinnc:thank you for making my point all along with these buildouts- ie muni builds. What the hell? According to that comment, why even have Broadband at all? Let's go back to Dialup.
Oh ya, let's get rid of Digital everything.. Cameras, Cinema, Music Players, DVDs, Satellite, Monitors, etc. because older people "might" not understand how to use it.
*Head Slap* -- Bresnan 15M/1M MyWS[E5200@3.75GHz,4GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[A64@2GHz,2GB RAM,120GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |
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See the problem with selfish and protectionist people like you is that you will sell you mother to make sure that your profits and your way to those profits is followed for YOUR benefit. Forget the much better alternative (one fiber network nationwide ran as a utility) that would benefit a much greater number of people than yourself.
You guys want to claim free market should be allowed to flourish. You guys claim the government can only hurt broadband. You guys claim that the people that voted NO should not have to contribute. All while ignoring the FACTS that they were put in the situation because free market has had decades to prevail and has not, in communities like this (or any really) the government certainly can't do any worse, and a majority of the people said YES. Just like a majority voted in elected official, any laws, and many other things in our lives. Yet you same morons would be perfectly happy if those things resulted in something you wanted for yourself.
Well guess what? Everyone has to make sacrifices to participate in society and to keep the vast majority of it content. If you don't like the way society is, then move on. | |
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| Re: Probably true said by Skippy25:Forget the much better alternative (one fiber network nationwide ran as a utility) that would benefit a much greater number of people than yourself. It doesn't have to be one fiber network. We never had one copper network in the bad old days. AT&T fell short; GTE covered much of what AT&T didn't cover. And any number of regional ILECs, as well (I was an S.O. for the contract company securing Roseville Telephone Co. sites). -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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 |  Test99Premium join:2003-04-24 San Jose, CA kudos:1 | We used to have fiber to the home when I was growing up: fresh (still warm) whole wheat bread delivered to the home every morning. It was really good.  | |
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| no fiber'worthy killer app years go CPU's and RAM would run faster than any software was able to utilize them - eventually games and graphic rendering caught up with the newly available power. the same it true now of copper to fiber. here I am a techie on a 3mb DSL line, and I'm perfectly content with my speed. If Fiber came to my door knocking, I would not upgrade. Until TV/Cable station content become completely on demand and online, I can't find a reason to pay a premium for Fiber class bandwidth. | |
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| Re: no fiber'worthy killer app Maybe you don't have a reason to upgrade, but I do. Between shuttling (created by me) videos around and (edited by me) PDFs and InDesign documents, even my 12/2 cable connection gets a little slow. I had 22/5 for awhile but ended up downgrading due to high Comcast pricing. I may upgrade back to 22/5 when I get back to that connection; right now I'm sitting on 1.5/384 DSL that usually syncs lower than that on the download side and...well...NOT loving every minute of it.
Can 80% of folks out there get by perfectly with a 1.5x512 connection? Yep. Are there some people who would jump for a 20 Mbit symmetric connection even if it was $100 per month? Yep...I'm still on the fence whether I'm in that group but if the price was $70 then I'd totally be in  | |
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| Re: no fiber'worthy killer app said by FBGuy:$70 for 20/20 i'm in. And here I'm pricing out FTTB (MDU environments) for nearly half that, and at 5 times the speed. =) | |
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Here in SK I get 100/100 to my house for $35/mo. And yes, I get nearly those speeds with zero downtime in 6 months, and it's simply an Ethernet jack in my wall. -- I am the Flying Photog, see my website accordingly named Flyingphotog.com. User known formerly as zakooldude. | |
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 |  alchav join:2002-05-17 Palm Desert, CA | Well the Killer App would have to be Streaming Video, and right now Netflix is capitalizing on this. To the Average Person eMail and Web Browsing are all they need and even speeds below 1Mbps is okay. I'm a Tech here in a community of 5000 homes, and most people don't know or care how their Internet comes, as long as it works. We have Verizon FiOS here in our Community, but the penetration is well below 50%. So I would have to agree, most people don't know or care about FTTH. | |
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 |  BlueC join:2009-11-26 Minneapolis, MN Reviews:
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| said by Packeteers:years go CPU's and RAM would run faster than any software was able to utilize them - eventually games and graphic rendering caught up with the newly available power. the same it true now of copper to fiber. here I am a techie on a 3mb DSL line, and I'm perfectly content with my speed. If Fiber came to my door knocking, I would not upgrade. Until TV/Cable station content become completely on demand and online, I can't find a reason to pay a premium for Fiber class bandwidth. You don't care for the obvious improvement in latency???
I would take FTTH over DSL in a second if I were in your shoes.
A lot of people forget it's more than just the speed of the connection. Reliability, latency, upgrade potential, etc. | |
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| Re: no fiber'worthy killer app said by BlueC:You don't care for the obvious improvement in latency? I don't know how it is for you in MN, but here in NY I'm a mile from my CO with FastPath available - so Latency is hardly an issue with my copper. | |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK 1 edit | Could be STTH and most people wouldn't care And by S I mean Spaghetti to the home or curb and all most people care about is perceived value.
If x company can provide me 22/5 service via coaxial cable and y company can provide me the same speed via fiber to the home it makes no difference to the buyer and the next deciding factor usually ends up being price. Most FTTH/FTTC subs are happy because they end up with promos starting off and that happiness wears off gradually as annual price increases happen and the difference between them and the big bad cable company become harder to differentiate for the consumer. -- Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason. | |
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 |  ARGONAUTgot ping?Premium join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN 1 edit | Re: Hemp is fiber. Everybody knows Fiber is good keeping those Internet tubes regular. | |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 1 edit | what percentage of people actually think that Africa is a country?!
I bet it is higher. | |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK | This thread reminds me of »www.google.com/tisp/
If it worked people wouldn't care how they got their connection. | |
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | 80% don't even know what connection speed they have. said by karl : You might recall the FCC recently found (pdf) that 80% of broadband customers don't even know what connection speed they have, despite it being clearly advertised at sale.
For 'the average' person, 3-6Mbps may not make a whole lot of noticable difference, assuming its stable. The 2 things that 'I' notice: - COST - Stability (nothing like having DSL drop, or DNS on cable go OTL) - CAPS -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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you'd be surprised how well informed these "older people" are if you ever actually spent the time and listened to what they have to say.
so don't ever say the average consumer would not need all this bandwidth available to them via FTTH! mom, all her ole lady friends and grandparents in general benefit from massive fat pipes o data  | |
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 |  NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 | Are all of her friends and kin also on fiber? How can she video chat with friends and kin on copper/coax if their dropping out? -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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 Ray422Premium,MVM join:2002-03-04 Lost kudos:11 | Huh? "...that 80% of broadband customers don't even know what connection speed they have, despite it being clearly advertised at sale."
You gotta be kidding me? My broadband speed is "up-to" 40 million gazillion mbps...so I "CLEARLY" told ya. | |
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| Re: ? Many don't even know the difference between a "power supply" and a "hard disc drive". (I've heard them call the system box either, interchangeably.) -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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 Ulmo join:2005-09-22 San Jose, CA | 41% do? Wow! 41% is high. Generally, most people don't know much about technology at its most basic, so 41% is a very high number. | |
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