Verizon Class Action For European spam filters The Register reports that with a Philly law firm, some disgruntled Verizon users are forming a class action lawsuit against the company for its aggressive spam blocking of European e-mail. The Reg article features a statement from Verizon which notes that "any spam blocking method will, inevitably, also result in the blocking or delay of otherwise legitimate email."
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Mount Airy, MD | Philadelphia... go figure This city is infested with more lawyers than you can shake a stick at. It was only a matter of time that one would find a reason to sue Verizon lol.
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Philadelphia... go figure "Hey you, move to the back of the bus."
There is nothing wrong with suing a company for racial discrimination. | |
| | | | | Re: Philadelphia... go figure ok ok there lets not get all racial about it, besides if it's an America v. Europe how is it racial, both nations are predominantly white. It not like they are singling out IPs by race. "oh my god, this is a Chinese IP... hurry block it, block it!!!" | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by keith2468:There is nothing wrong with suing a company for racial discrimination. This isn't racial at all, I absolutely and completely hate all trial lawyers, regardless of race, creed, color, sexual orientation and such, equally.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Philadelphia... go figure Why not sue for discrimination? These posts and most email is in black and white aren't they?  | |
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1 edit | SUE ME That is going to end up being our countries national moto.
Don't get things the way you want, sue for it. | |
| | | | Re: SUE ME As a non-natural born citizen of the US of A, I can assure you that's been your unofficial motto for decades.  | |
| | | the niTzPremium
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Sahuarita, AZ | Re: SUE ME lol, Europeans dont go sue happy like Americans, i guess since they get everything they want they think its like that all the time, it aint | |
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Winnipeg, MB | It is more that in Europe things are settled by the establishment, in discussions, and by mutual agreement. In Canada and Canada both the establishment has it set up that they can ignore the little guy.
A certain amount of lawsuits is a good thing. Europe and Canada have too few. It lets big companies and governments get away with endangering our lives.
The USA has too many (or at least too many massive judgements).
And it doesn't matter if one US state tries to fix it, apparently the lawyers can pick and choose which state to have the law suit ajudicated in.
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| | Stupid Don't like Verizon? Don't use 'em. Simple as that.
(For the most part.) | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid said by Viper007Bond:Don't like Verizon? Don't use 'em. Simple as that. I totally agree with you here. From crippled Bluetooth in their cell phones, to outrageous Intra-LATA toll rates for landline phones, to arbitrary blocking of foreign email, what is there to like about this company? LOL
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Canada | Re: Stupid said by pnh102: said by Viper007Bond:Don't like Verizon? Don't use 'em. Simple as that. I totally agree with you here. From crippled Bluetooth in their cell phones, to outrageous Intra-LATA toll rates for landline phones, to arbitrary blocking of foreign email, what is there to like about this company? LOL maby the have some sort of anti-european leadership in the company, that belives that "America has no problems, and if we let them euro buggers in, it will cause problems", followed by "Bush is a leader sent by 'god'" | |
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Canada | Re: Stupid said by DaveDude: said by BonezX: said by pnh102: maby the have some sort of anti-european leadership in the company, that belives that "America has no problems, and if we let them euro buggers in, it will cause problems", followed by "Bush is a leader sent by 'god'" If you believe that your really dumb. you seemed to have missed my sarcasam | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid said by BonezX:you seemed to have missed my sarcasam Its only sarcasm when it makes sense.
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Hoboken, NJ | said by pnh102: said by Viper007Bond:Don't like Verizon? Don't use 'em. Simple as that. I totally agree with you here. From crippled Bluetooth in their cell phones, to outrageous Intra-LATA toll rates for landline phones, to arbitrary blocking of foreign email, what is there to like about this company? LOL well, their cell phone coverage is to boot!
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid said by Descent:well, their cell phone coverage is to boot! Perhaps, but if you wanted to make use of some of the other Bluetooth-related functions, you would have to go with another provider.
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Hoboken, NJ | Re: Stupid said by pnh102: said by Descent:well, their cell phone coverage is to boot! Perhaps, but if you wanted to make use of some of the other Bluetooth-related functions, you would have to go with another provider. verizon is a big greedy corp what do you expect?
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid said by Descent:verizon is a big greedy corp what do you expect? Every business is greedy; but as for Verizon, I have really been out of the loop because I haven't sent them a check in years.
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Winnipeg, MB | "Don't like sitting in the back of the bus"?
"Then take a taxi."
Such an approach isn't the American way. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Stupid said by keith2468:"Don't like sitting in the back of the bus"? "Then take a taxi." Such an approach isn't the American way. No, the American way is to boycott the bus company until they give into honoring your basic human rights. Only after public transit in the old South was hit where it hurts did it end up providing equal treatment to everyone.
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kudos:1 | hey im fine with verizon. Ive never seen the point of using isp email. it just makes it harder to switch. Which is the reason why my parents wont give up their crappy aol when we get msn premium free with verizon :\ | |
| | | | said by Viper007Bond:Don't like Verizon? Don't use 'em. Simple as that. (For the most part.) agreed. | |
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Mount Prospect, IL | Same with a lot of ISP's My ISP, wideopenwest, blocks important e-mails I get from Poland. So, I use a different mail service. End of story. | |
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Same with a lot of ISP's Does wideopenwest tell customers about this when they sign up?
How did you know to use a different email service?
And what if your new email service does what Verizon did and quietly starts filtering email on the basis of country of origin?
BTW, Poland is not an important source of spam.
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| | |  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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1 edit | Re: Same with a lot of ISP's said by keith2468:Does wideopenwest tell customers about this when they sign up? How did you know to use a different email service? And what if your new email service does what Verizon did and quietly starts filtering email on the basis of country of origin? BTW, Poland is not an important source of spam. It doesn't make a difference. They're blocking e-mails from European countries. Sure e-mail is 80 - 90 % SPAM, but the other 10% still important enough that we have to deal with the majority of SPAM. I just hope someday they fix this crippled e-mail system so ISP don't censor where the e-mail we get comes from. This is really bad for some people who talk to relatives in Europe and they think the person died or something. Sure there are phones, and it's unlikely this would happen but it's just something that could happen with stupid practices like this.
I've been very happy with Verizon for it's FIOS service being rolled out around the country at a fast pace, but these types of things are stupid.
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| | | | keith2468Premium,MVM
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Same with a lot of ISP's Spamcop.net, which I use, lets the customer pick and choose which nations, if any at all, are filtered in each mail box.
Put control in the hands of the customer. (And do not institute blank ethnic based filters on an opt-out basis.)
I don't have any contacts or friends in Nigeria, Brazil, China, or South Korea, so I filter those countries (there isn't enough spam from Poland or NZ to justify a filter).
If I had just a few such contacts, I could whitelist them.
If I had many, or if needed the abiltiy to accept email from any part of the world, I would simply not turn on the country filter.
Why can't Verizon do that?
1. Does not Verizon have the technical expertise?
2. Or does Verizon assume none of their customers deal outside the country?
3. Or does Verizon want to avoid the expense of providing email service to those Americans who have friends and business contacts overseas?
4. Or has Verizon made a racist mistake? Generating a rule that penalizes members of an entire racial group (Poles or Kiwis) on the basis of the behaviour of a few members in that group (in running insecure computers that (largely American) spam sponsors have managed to illegally acquire as mail relays. And then they made a second mistake in failing to correctly identify the countries of origin of most spam correctly.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Same with a lot of ISP's said by keith2468:4. Or has Verizon made a racist mistake? With apologies to The Princess Bride:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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2 edits | Racist Defined For those who don't know what a race is:
»dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race
quote:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
a) An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b) A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
And for racist:
»dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist
quote:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So clearly people of any color or nationality can potentially be racist, when they look down upon or condemn other people on the basis of their nationality, ethnic group, country of residence, skin color, stature, etc.
Of course, being human, people most tend to notice racism when it is directed against our own group, and to fail to notice it when they/we are directing it against someone else.
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NYC Metro | Re: Racist Defined said by keith2468:For those who don't know what a race is: » dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race quote:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
a) An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b) A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
And for racist: » dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist quote:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So clearly people of any color or nationality can potentially be racist, when they look down upon or condemn other people on the basis of their nationality, ethnic group, skin color, stature, etc. Of course, being human, people most tend to notice racism when it is directed against our own group, and to fail to notice it when they are directing it against someone else. Buddy, I don't think Verizon is being racist towards Poland or New Zealand. They just have a poor policy at punishing European countries for small amounts of SPAM. BTW: There is no "Polish" race. It's an ethnic group. Polish, German, English, Irish all are white. They have different ethnicities. For example people of Sweden, Finland, Northern Poland, Germany or any other Northern European nation people are overwhelming naturally blonde and have a very fair complexion compared to the rest of the world, while if you go to Southern Italy people have a more Mediterranean look. That is just an ethnic trait, not a race.
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| | | | | | | keith2468Premium,MVM
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3 edits | Re: Racist Defined In America people commonly talk of race as black, red and white, and sometimes yellow. And in much of the US, domestic racism is, I guess from watching PBS, done on that basis.
But in the actual English language, even the American version, the term is much broader. As you can see from the US based dictionary listing I posted. It quoted "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition".
It is just that when someone is practicing racism, they don't see the term as applying.
I see the same thing where I live here. The locals don't see it as racism to say things about aboriginal Canadians (specifically Indians), or to treat them differently on the basis of their ethnic origin. This is the dominant kind of racism here, and most people are totally blind to it.
"It is what us folks do here, lots of us do it, therefore for it isn't racist."
Sadly, that many people are racist tends to be constant, just which group they are racist against seems to vary. At least from what I've seen in my life.
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none | I see the problem, but in this case.... due to the large amounts of froeign spam, i am in the process right now of blocking ALL email from other countries. i will allow only email from companies we do business with.
but Verizon should not do this. mine is a comapny mail server and i have the right to block it. Verizon is selling service to the public and should allow the public the ability to turn this blocki on and off according to their needs.
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Land O Lakes, FL | Re: I see the problem, but in this case.... said by davidg:Verizon is selling service to the public and should allow the public the ability to turn this blocki on and off according to their needs. And they could then invent & charge a "spam recovery fee". | |
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| | BonezXBasement DwellerPremium
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Canada | Re: It is simple........Use another provider! actually that would be a good idea, if it didn't break the contract/eula for the internet connection, and their blocking of ports used to run mailservers off your pc or networked pc.
and if they actually see you running a mail server, your connection is either throttled, or shut down. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: It is simple........Use another provider! I said to run one at a data center. | |
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: It is simple........Use another provider! I think web mail from an alternate provide would be a cheaper option than their own mail server.
And you have to know the filtering is being done to know that you have a problem. The filtering was implemented without adequate notice to customers, and not on an opt-in basis.
In the USA, customers shouldn't have to pay additional costs to work around systemically racially discriminatory vendor company policies.
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| Obviously, they are doing it wrong Maybe instead of cooking up their owns spam filtering, they should follow the model of comcast and and leave the task of spam filtering to the experts.
Since the introduction of Brightmail spam filtering it has been absolutely fantastic. Zero false positive and very few false negatives. | |
| | keith2468Premium,MVM
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Obviously, they are doing it wrong Brightmail has a very good reputation. | |
| | | | Verizon did use Brightmail at one time.
My own experience with Verizon's spam filter is that it takes longer to get an email from a Comcast customer in Pottstown, PA than it takes to drive there (4 hours VS. 45 minutes. No kidding) | |
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kudos:13 |  Going about it all wrong...
What a disgrace: they should've blocked Japan, Taiwan, Korea, and all regions of the former USSR too.
Oh well. Maybe next time!
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Going about it all wrong... They should have blocked Florida and California -- far more spam from there than Japan, Taiwan, and New Zealand combined. | |
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1 edit | Verizon Promotes Ugly American Stereotype Country based filtering should never be an opt-out option.
Spamcop.net, the email service that has lead much technology in this area, lets its paying users pick and choose for themselves which email filters they want to apply, including the "Spamcop Black List" (SBL), various "open mail relay" blacklists, various "known spammer blacklists", SpamAssassin (a Bayesian filter and choose the spam threshold score), and finally various country filters. Last time I checked, the SBL was the only filter that defaulted to on, and the SBL is based purely on spam reports and IP addresses in spam headers.
An ISP can't quietly take it upon itself to filter the email of Alan Gottlieb, a former Canadian ambassador to the US in the Regan era and current US based foreign trade consultant, based on its country of origin without expecting tremendous legal liability.
Some people know people in China.
Some people help Intel, Ford and GM do business in China.
But you can sure as heck filter my email on the basis of country of origin.
Let the customer choose !!!
Spamcop.net also lets users choose to flag the email as spam or to hold it in spam folder.
This is the thing:
1. It is excellent that ISPs are providing spam filters for their customers.
2. It is a bad that ISPs are quietly doing this without informing their customers.
3. It is bad that Verizon does something that so promotes the unfortunate image Americans are getting for xenophobia (fear of foreigners).
When I report spam, Spamcop tells me the ISP the spam appeared to originate from based on the headers, and a lot of it comes from the US (maybe raking second to China, maybe ranking first).
And I can look at the spam and I can see that the advertisers paying for it are pretty much based in the USA, the spam's real country of origin, the country where the advertiser who paid to have the spam created is resident in.
So if Verizon wants to filter spam on the basis of country, and it doesn't want to be accused of racism, it should filter email from US sources too. Or it should make country based filtering an opt-in option (like spamcop.net does).
Nobody seems to want to use the word, but this definitely gives the impression of racism and xenophobia, although very probably it was just a massive collective failure of Verizon executives to think for from the customer's perspective for a minute.
Sadly, Verizon's actions play right into the hands of anti-Americans. But I have little doubt Verison's policy will be fixed next week when they realize what has happened.
(I've never seen spam from New Zealand from a .nz ISP and I've seen thousands of spam analyzed.)
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1 edit | What Verizon Should Provide
Spamcop Filter Selection List |
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| | | | Re: Verizon Promotes Ugly American Stereotype I luv the US, but we do tend to make rash, uninformed decisions. | |
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Winnipeg, MB | USA Top Source Of Spam WorldWide »news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php···id=22616
Dec 28, 2004
quote:
US still top source of spam, says Sophos
NEARLY half of all spam spread throughout the world is from the United States, making the country the top spammer of the year, according to a report released by software security firm Sophos.
Sophos’ report, which lists down the “dirty dozen” of spam, scored the “Can-Spam” law signed by US President George W. Bush last year in an attempt to control spam, showing that despite its best efforts, the US is still unable to prevent the spread of unwanted e-mail.
In their report, 42.11 percent of reported spam is from the US followed by South Korea, which is a far second with only 13.43 percent.
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And for the previous time period:
»informationweek.com/story/showAr···18200812
Feb. 26, 2004
quote:
* United States, 56.74%
* Canada, 6.80%
* China (including Hong Kong), 6.24%
* South Korea, 5.77%
* Netherlands, 2.13%
* Brazil, 2.00%
* Germany, 1.83%
* France, 1.50%
* United Kingdom, 1.31%
* Australia, 1.21%
* Mexico, 1.19%
* Spain, 1.05%
* Others, 12.23%
This above is based on the IP addresses in the headers of the spam, which often points to infected machines infected by spam trojan or viruses, or machines where the defaults were not customized to keep them secure and prevent them being used as open mail relays.
If you look at what is advertised in the spam -- to see the true source of the spam -- you can do that yourself and see what products and services are advertised in the spam you receive.
Of course a US mortgage company can set up an web server in China to evade US anti-spamming laws. But you know if it is a mortgage company looking for mortgagees in the USA, it is licensed in the USA.
And the same will be true if I ever get solicited for a mortgages on a Canadian, Polish, Chinese, or Nigerian houses. With stuff like that there is a 99% tip-off as to where the spammer really is based.
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| | TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | Re: USA Top Source Of Spam WorldWide said by keith2468:» news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php···id=22616Dec 28, 2004 quote:
US still top source of spam, says Sophos
NEARLY half of all spam spread throughout the world is from the United States, making the country the top spammer of the year, according to a report released by software security firm Sophos.
Sophos’ report, which lists down the “dirty dozen” of spam, scored the “Can-Spam” law signed by US President George W. Bush last year in an attempt to control spam, showing that despite its best efforts, the US is still unable to prevent the spread of unwanted e-mail.
In their report, 42.11 percent of reported spam is from the US followed by South Korea, which is a far second with only 13.43 percent.
... ... ...
And for the previous time period: » informationweek.com/story/showAr···18200812Feb. 26, 2004 quote:
* United States, 56.74%
* Canada, 6.80%
* China (including Hong Kong), 6.24%
* South Korea, 5.77%
* Netherlands, 2.13%
* Brazil, 2.00%
* Germany, 1.83%
* France, 1.50%
* United Kingdom, 1.31%
* Australia, 1.21%
* Mexico, 1.19%
* Spain, 1.05%
* Others, 12.23%
This above is based on the IP addresses in the headers of the spam, which often points to infected machines infected by spam trojan or viruses, or machines where the defaults were not customized to keep them secure and prevent them being used as open mail relays. If you look at what is advertised in the spam -- to see the true source of the spam -- you can do that yourself and see what products and services are advertised in the spam you receive. Of course a US mortgage company can set up an web server in China to evade US anti-spamming laws. But you know if it is a mortgage company looking for mortgagees in the USA, it is licensed in the USA. And the same will be true if I ever get solicited for a mortgages on a Canadian, Polish, Chinese, or Nigerian houses. With stuff like that there is a 99% tip-off as to where the spammer really is based. Not enough SPAM comes from Europe to warrant ANY censoring of an ISP. Sure, if there is an ISP putting out TONS AND TONS of SPAM it could be justified, but the liberal banning they are doing of European ISP's is unjustified. If anything they should focus on American ISP's. The thing is they KNOW that if they BAN AMERICAN ISP's they will receive HELL because in any given area there is someone who will know someone that uses that ISP in the domestic U.S.A.
So don't ban the world because it's "easy" to get rid of a few % of SPAM, start banning the USA and stop acting afraid that you will lose profit because of it... You know the minority use e-mail to Europe, but the majority use domestic e-mail. They know if they do the right thing (target American ISP's) they will lose profit from pissed off customers more than European e-mailers.
Corporate greed runs America. Welcome to America, can I have your credit card?
-Tzale
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| | If they only... If they stated that they were going to block only Frnech addresses because they hate them, I could appreciate that but not the whole EU! | |
| AJ023
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Forest Hills, NY | This has nothing to do with SPAM Why is Verizon blocking out Europe and China? It is due to competitive reasons. It has nothing to do with SPAM.
Verizon is INTENTIONALLY BLOCKING, as will be proven in a court of law. This is not about spam. It is just like why MSN + AOL didnt want to connect their instant messaging clients to the same protocol. It was intentional and is anticompetitive behavior. It has nothing to do with SPAM as Verizon wants you to believe.
This is a power struggle between Verizon and Europe and China. | |
| | AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | Re: This has nothing to do with SPAM Verizon itself was trying to get into the european market and this is related to competition between USA and Europe and other markets. It is NOT DUE TO SPAM. And people deserve and will know the truth when the lawsuit is resolved.
Google for verizon and europe, you can find out what verizon was trying to achive and how the email blocking fit into this strategy. (using your own knowledge and intellect and by assembling all the pieces together). The hard part is proving in a court of law.
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| | | | | Re: This has nothing to do with SPAM I dunno, I don't think so, that kinda should like a tinfoil hat theory. | |
| | | | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: This has nothing to do with SPAM said by AtomicZero:I dunno, I don't think so, that kinda should like a tinfoil hat theory. Here's one for you... Verizon wants you to use their international calling service instead of free email LOL.
It sounds a lot like their crippled Bluetooth LOL.
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Hey Fast Eddie... you're next! | |
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| | | | | | Re: This has nothing to do with SPAM I especially like the post where the guy said, "just enough time to put the british flag back in Washington." Assuming they could actually do that..(no nation could defeat the US, even a coalition probably couldn't) there was no Washinton D.C. at the time. | |
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| | | | Re: Boycott Vodafone, SuperPages, Yellow Pages, t While I have no desire to defend Verizon, your statement that Vodafone is a parent company to Verizon is incorrect. It is a joint investor and minority owner of Verizon Wireless. Verizon Communications owns 55 percent of Verizon Wireless while Vodafone owns 45 percent.
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| | | keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | Re: Boycott Vodafone, SuperPages, Yellow Pages, t I don't know that much about corportate governance.
What is the difference between being one of 2 companies owning a third company, with 45% of the stock, and being "a parent company"? | |
| | | | | | Re: Boycott Vodafone, SuperPages, Yellow Pages, t A parent company would have ownership of the stated company. Think GM and Pontiac, where GM is the parent. | |
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| | Whitelist? I read before that their was a whitelist that you could have them put all your legit contacts on so the mail would get through. If that is true, I doubt any lawsuit against them over this matter has a chance. | |
| | keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
1 edit | Re: Whitelist? Why would that be?
Since the country blacklisting was covert, people wouldn't have known to do whitelist. And from the links others have posted, it seems that currently you have to phone with a list of IP ranges to whitelist. And that is, once you have stumbled across the fact your email was filtered on nation of origin.
So reasonably I think damages would be Verizon's fault. And the damages could be quite considerable considering the nature of international commerce.
I do agree that if Verizon openly did the filtering and it was an opt-in country filter, there could be no case. I strongly agree with offering all sorts of such filters to customers.
An opt-out country filter, where people should reasonably have known there was a country filter, it is harder to say. A country filter is a pretty blunt instrument.
When I look at my held spam it shows which filter blocked it. Maybe the country filters are applied last, I don't know.
But I do know that only maybe 1-2% of my spam held because of the country filters (Argentina, Brazil, China, Nigeria). The other 98-99% of spam is filtered on the basis of other more specific filters. | |
| | | | | Re: Whitelist? Although in the end I don't think verizon will get in trouble for this, because they probably write in some kind of tos, that email isn't guaranteed or something like that.(If they didn't then they deserve to get hanged) | |
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