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| Re: hmm, anybody else not suprised? Exactly. The thing that I find absolutely hilarious though, is that the artist doesn't see any of this money...at least not that I know of. I also find it highly interesting that the Legal System requires other litigation like this to require real names, and not just a bunch of "John Doe" names. Funny how the RIAA can somehow get around that.
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kudos:1 | Has anyone here on DSLR / BBR received the letter or threatened suite? I could swear someone on here was targeted, but I never heard the outcome of it. | |
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| | | Treat the riaa's scare tactics like those medical bills that people file bankrupcy for... same idea.. if you can't win in court, get the backrupcy to discharge the judgements in a different court.. If the RIAA loses a few thosand of these due to bankrupcy they'll be getting a taste of their own medicine..making it very expensive to go after those $9.99 album pirates  Yar! | |
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| | petrified How one can save his/her butt from them?? | |
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| | kind of light pressure I thought the "pressure" was rather low key after reading the opinion column. To me, it just reinforced the primary rule when being sued; don't take legal advice from the party suing you. | |
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"It won't affect your credit at this point," he continued. "But if you are named in a federal lawsuit, it could also affect your job opportunities, because on employment applications, many times they will ask, 'have you ever been party to a lawsuit?'
"And you would have to check 'yes' at that time, because that would be public knowledge," he said.
Settle or you may never get a job again?
Sadly the only legal counsel many of these kids are getting are from guys like this. | |
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"It won't affect your credit at this point," he continued. "But if you are named in a federal lawsuit, it could also affect your job opportunities, because on employment applications, many times they will ask, 'have you ever been party to a lawsuit?'
"And you would have to check 'yes' at that time, because that would be public knowledge," he said.
Settle or you may never get a job again? Sadly the only legal counsel many of these kids are getting are from guys like this. Yeah, if anyone believes that I don't see how they are smart enough to even operate a computer.
This is no different that a creditor reminding you that a bad credit report can affect job opportunities. Does that translate as "pay my bill or you'll never get a job again"? Hardly. | |
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I've seen ones ask if you've ever been convicted of a crime, other than traffic violations.
But "party to a lawsuit?" WTF?
So since I'm divorced, I've been party to a lawsuit. Does that mean I might not get a job?!?! OH NOES!
It would be different if he was implying that the RIAA was going to get you arrested and accused of a crime and convicted of a crime. But party to a lawsuit? No, just no. | |
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Tucson, AZ | Re: kind of light pressure said by smcallah:But "party to a lawsuit?" I agree, this is the most unscrupulous scare-tactic of all time.
What if you were part of a frivolous lawsuit?
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That seems like a easy solution to sway the clueless RIAA.
The best way to beat RIAA? Counter sue for the amount they have got from all the lawsuits! That would make RIAA cry knowing they lost the same amount of money they thought they won in ONE suit. lol | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: I wonder why no one has.. There's no way everyone settled on a cash payout. I'm betting the RIAA offers a last ditch settlement for those cases that may go to court. Pretty much it states they'll drop the lawsuit if you sign a document saying never to trade copyrighted files again, and a non-disclosure agreement so others can't find out about the settlement.
The last thing the RIAA wants is one of these cases to go to court. If they should happen to lose, they'd be f**ked. | |
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| | | | Re: I wonder why no one has.. like the lady that got a letter and she's dead?  | |
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Johnson City, TN | Wow... So the RIAA is turning their scare tactics into a profit.
Someone needs to beat them at their own game. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Wow... said by Tsume:So the RIAA is turning their scare tactics into a profit. Someone needs to beat them at their own game. yeah that is some bullshit. | |
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If they are making money ... with these law suits. I
would like to see if RIAA is taking its profits and paying
the record companies for the pirated songs. All these
lawyers cost money. They better be paying some money to
the record companies. If they aren't, they are no better
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If so, what did you specifically find so frightening about what the RIAA told him? | |
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Baton Rouge, LA | I think it is only a matter of time before an unstable someone who has lost everything because of the RIAA will kill some lawyers and perhaps some RIAA execs along the road. Underdogs usually resort to violence, and in this day and age someone will inevitably snap and start shooting.
I don't want to see this, but I think this is a realistic observation. | |
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| | | | Re: Wow... said by N10Cities:hmmm don't know if that would be good or bad.... Hehehe, then you put the MS-CD in your car's cd-player and YOU crash because your windshield popped up a BSOD  :p
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USA | hmmmm I wonder how many military people they have attempted to sue or threaten with a lawsuit. Since military members have free legal counsel, and great attorneys available, I wonder if they even bother as they know with free legal advice that military members would be less willing to take their(RIAA) advice. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: hmmmm That's all very well, but they also run the risk of courts martial for conduct unbecoming if they do pursue such cases. | |
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1 edit | Re: hmmmm said by sbrook:That's all very well, but they also run the risk of courts martial for conduct unbecoming if they do pursue such cases. Not ture... nothing in the AR 670-1 about downloading music.
Maybe yes if on a government computer, but not if you are using your own personal computer.
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The military (At least Army) has some concerns due to security, but only on THIER computers. Nothing about soldiers personnel computers. | |
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New York, NY | Re: hmmmm AR670-1 is "Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia"
LOL, Get a haircut and stop downloading music! | |
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Jacksonville, FL | I'm no JAG, but I do know that we still have to obey all laws and regulations mandated by federal law. Therefore, by violating any copyright law we would be held accountable much like anyone else. However, Article 134 of the UCMJ is the beloved "catch-all" - the General Article. So merely being involved in such a case could get you a court martial under at least this article for "crimes that discredit the armed forces." | |
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This was very early on before the RIAA was filing their john/jane does. They were reporting the infractions to the military, and the military was handling their own investigations. | |
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| | hmm I'd love to see those 8500 people band together, file a class action, and break the RIAA. Some greedy attorney out there should think about paying for a commercial on TV to scare up some business. | |
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| | | Re: hmm said by GilbertMark:I'd love to see those 8500 people band together, file a class action, and break the RIAA. Some greedy attorney out there should think about paying for a commercial on TV to scare up some business. But, on what grounds? Because you were stopped from participating in a crime? See, that's the bottom line - file sharing of copyrighted material is illegal, it's just not issue. In no way am I defending the RIAA. Their tactics are decidely low rent. All they're doing is insuring their own demise. But, in this country, the consumer has the final say in this and anyone who actually buys music while this is going on is part of the problem.
You want to really hurt the RIAA as well as the artists that sell their soul to them or the stores that sell recorded music - stop buying their stuff, either CDs or online. When the money dries up, so will their lawyers. Of course, the problem is that this has to involve 75% of all music buyers, and that's the challenge.
Suing means more lawyers and at the end of the day, guess who wins... | |
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Now we have proof of it. This student reporter's conversation with the settlement center shows just how pushy they are. They don't want court cases. They could wind up losing those and setting a bad -- for them -- precedent.
Settlements, however, are good (for the RIAA). They can get to shout about how many pirates they are taking down. The defendants can't speak up (lest they violate the one sided settlement and get sued again) even if they settled out of sheer convenience. The RIAA even gets a small cash infusion. ($3,000 settlement - $200 in court fees = $2,800 net profit per settlement.)
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Spring Valley, CA | a lot of you are clueless... what do you guys expect... the riaa is nothing but an association of lawyers that represent the recording industry... it is in their best interests for themselves and their client(s) to settle and draw as much cash into their coffers as possible... taking someone to court is expensive, time consuming (meaning time is money), and may not yield the results they want (meaning they may lose and set up certain precedents that the riaa and their lawyers don't want)...
once again, some of you are defending the indefensible and this is why the riaa wins everytime and settles out of court... what sort of strategy or case can any of you possible come up with that justifies your actions that brought the riaa down on you in the first place...? think about it and stop being such contrarian juveniles... | |
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| | the tactics don't suprise me at all It's frightening that any reasonable person would believe that prima facie "being party to a lawsuit" could hurt your chances of getting a job, and it's deplorable that anybody representing the RIAA would make such a claim. | |
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| | HANG those PIRATES from the tallest tree !!! I LOVE IT !!!
I can hear the Pirates whining all the way to prison - RIGHT WHERE THEY BELONG !!!
Happy Days are here again !!!
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| | No sympathy. Theft is theft, plain and simple. Everyone can argue how merciless RIAA and MPAA are.. The fact remains that ( more then likely ) some total idiot thinks ' I'm getting all this music for free! How wonderful! '.
I don't think too many of us here would drive out autos up a busy 1 way street going against traffic. Not because its against the law, but because we know a head-on collision will result in damage to our vehicles as well as ourselves.
The REASON RIAA and MPAA get away with this tactic is due to the idiots whom do NOT read terms of service agreements.
These same individuals are the ones whom have a broadband connection, no firewall, no virus protection and have never heard of spyware.
I for-see a ' license for broadband ' in the future. Its a terribly sad thing but people fail to RTFM all too much in todays times.
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| | DUH the purpose of the lawsuit threats aren't to get the user into court its to get the user to cease and desist.
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kudos:1 | Re: DUH said by HardwareGeek:the purpose of the lawsuit threats aren't to get the user into court its to get the user to cease and desist. No.. the REAL purpose is extort money from those unwilling to pay the over-priced prices for music cd's.
I'll not be buying any CD's (or DVD's) anytime soon due these draconion RIAA/MPAA tactics..
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Spring, TX | Re: DUH said by pokesph: said by HardwareGeek:the purpose of the lawsuit threats aren't to get the user into court its to get the user to cease and desist. No.. the REAL purpose is extort money from those unwilling to pay the over-priced prices for music cd's. I'll not be buying any CD's (or DVD's) anytime soon due these draconion RIAA/MPAA tactics.. blah Same here. I haven't bought a single CD in about 4 years because of their arrogance, and won't until they knock off this lawsuit crap. RIAA can either change with the times or go out of business just like any other industry. Suing their customers ain't gonna cut it. | |
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kudos:1 | Grr i hate the riaa so much.
OMG the stars arent getting there money so they can sit on there rich asses more. | |
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3 edits | BBR Story on RIAA Suits is Inaccurate I'm afraid that this story, and many of the comments in response, are premised on the unsupported notion that "not one of the nearly 8,500 cases lodged by the RIAA against on-line file traders has actually reached a court."
In support of this proposition, BBR cites »p2pnet.net/story/3783. While that story reiterates that "none of the almost 8,500 cases lodged by the RIAA against people who share music with each other has reached a court," its only source is: »p2pnet.net/story/3708. In fact, that report does not address the question of whether any of the RIAA cases have been tried yet (except for the vague, unsuportted ipse dixit that, "[t]he victims always settle").
Thus, this story is built on a house of cards. And, the fundamental question -- whether any of the RIAA suits have been litigated -- remains unanswered. | |
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| | Its a cryin shame I tell you the RIAA is acting more like the mob forcing people like Evelyn to pay protection money and to keep silent about it. So sad to watch the RIAA bullies get away with this. | |
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PwnZone | boy riaa sure has a lot of money to waste. wonder how much money they donated to the tsunami relief fund | |
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| | | Re: boy If they offered me to settle I'd say well I make about 60 dollars a month. I can give you guys the 1 dollar a month that I've saved for 2 years will that be enough. Before lawsuit sell cars to family members for cheap and then rid of all assets. Go to court say I don't have anything I admit I did it and only because the price of CDs is too expensive and I need the internet for the work I do and school which barely gets me enough to pay for my half of the internet. Riaa sees that its a lost cause and walks away. | |
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| | | | Re: boy Won't even need to do that. Remember, not a single lawsuit has actually gone to court. | |
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