 sharksfan3
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CrapwareWhat are we to call these programs then? The current name is descriptive. | |
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 |  stevek1949We're not in Kansas anymore
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Re: CrapwareWhy don't we just call them ADDware. They add crap to computers, but ADD is a positive term in my book.
These ADDware vendors are going to be the death knell of the public internet as we know it. I will never give one dime in any way that I am aware of, to any one using this method of intrusion and intimidation. | |
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|  Bobb5
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pretty funny, Kaspersky found Hotbar !Kaspersky Internet security 2006 caught it before it even finished downloading!! Pretty cool! | |
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| |  Noah VailOh God please no.
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2005-Mar-15 10:28 pm
Re: pretty funny, Kaspersky found Hotbar !Excellent!
The AV companies are starting to move against spyware/adware/It's-really-the-users-fault-for-installing-it-ware.
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2005-Mar-16 1:36 pm
Re: pretty funny, Kaspersky found Hotbar !My McAfee AntiSpyware and AntiVirus both detect Hotbar and crap like it as 'trojans', 'adware' and 'spyware'. I agree it's nice to see the antivirus companies cracking down on these losers. | |
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| |  schnugglesStays Crunchy In Milk
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The funny part here is that the very directory structure shown in the pic shows an intent to deceive the user: How many legitimate programs use an install directory of "GHIJKLMN?" The companies involved in antispyware need to grow a pair and take these folks to court. Once we have established case law we can all proceed from a more comfortable position. | |
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2005-Mar-16 7:46 pm
Re: pretty funny, Kaspersky found Hotbar !All legitimate programs use folders with names like that. That's a temp folder used by IE to store files until they are fully downloaded before moving them to the default download folder.
That screenshot nabbed IE in the act moving the file after downloading completed. | |
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2005-Mar-15 6:42 pm
all I have to say is...Unbelievable! | |
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|  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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Re: all I have to say is...said by t604:Unbelievable! You honestly think so? I find it entirely believable. These people don't care what they have to do. Just wait until they begin filing frivolous lawsuits against anti-spyware vendors. Then it'll get ugly. | |
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Re: all I have to say is...said by Nerdtalker:said by t604:Unbelievable! You honestly think so? I find it entirely believable. These people don't care what they have to do. Just wait until they begin filing frivolous lawsuits against anti-spyware vendors. Then it'll get ugly. Fortunately most of these companies receiving these letters would be able to file a SLAPP suit on these Bozos should they try legal action wish allows them to recover the costs of defending the original litigation as well as damages. Bottom line is these poopware vendors know they are on a sinking ship and they are grabbing at anything they can in order to stay afloat. I don't think it will save them, at least I hope so. | |
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2005-Mar-15 11:55 pm
Re: all I have to say is...LOL I like "poopware" better than any so far I think. | |
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said by t604:Unbelievable! nope not really. what's unbelievable is that no one has turn around and socked them in the jaw for sending that crap....makes me wish I had a website I could tell people that their shit is spyware or whatver.... woe onto those who think splitting hairs and legal jargon over cyber-semantics of IT definitions is gonna save them. | |
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Deft
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2005-Mar-15 6:44 pm
Doesnt surprise me one bitOne after another eh Lavasoft? steppin on thin ice | |
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|  Tomek
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2005-Mar-15 6:59 pm
Re: Doesnt surprise me one bitI always like AdAware, but recent events made me switch to MS and Spybot solutions. | |
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Re: Doesnt surprise me one bitSemper Fi, jarheads forever | |
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|  thender2Glamour Profession
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said by Deft:One after another eh Lavasoft? steppin on thin ice I use spybot. Lavasoft sucks. Especially since they expect you to pay so that they can have their balls served to them on a platter by a spy/ad/crapware company. | |
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2005-Mar-15 6:45 pm
wftmatewhy are they allowed to sue a company for removing software that was illegally installed on a users computer ? | |
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2005-Mar-15 9:23 pm
Re: wftmateAnyone can sue anyone for any reason under the sun. That doesn't mean they'll win. However, it's a form of blackmail. The person filing the suit does it in hopes that the defendant will cave and do what the plaintiff wants, which Lavasoft has done. I can sue you because I don't like the fact that you own a cat and demand that you get rid of it and buy a dog. Doesn't mean I have a leg to stand on, but you might decide to give in just to make me go away. After all, getting a lawyer can be expensive. The problem for a company like Lavasoft is that, once they give in to one spyware vendor, the others smell blood and attack. Eventually, Lavasoft will have to grow some balls and fight back, or they'll be picked apart. | |
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| | BonezXBasement Dweller
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2005-Mar-16 12:04 am
Re: wftmateand i can turn around and tell you "see you in court" and the case would be thrown out because of a fradulent suit(which you would have to pay my legal fees as mine is a loser pays system, Oh Canada) and i can counter sue for loss of wages(days of work missed because of court dates and research).
or i could just claim harassment if you kept pushing your cause and get a nice little restraining order.
where i am, you are basically punished for losing your case instead of this you pay your own stuff deal. | |
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Makes me sickSickening...just sickening. Freedom of speech anyone?
When did truthful reviews of a product became illegal when the reviews said the product wasn't good? This sounds like the minds of a communist. | |
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2005-Mar-15 6:45 pm
Fock off!I'm seriously getting sick of SPYWARE/ADWARE "companies" who put out these silly threats. If I don't want your bloody product I'll fucking remove it!. If you don't provide me with a way to remove it, then I will classify your product along the same lines as a VIRUS or SPYWARE, and find a way to remove it. from a consumer point of view this is what the spyware vendors deserve: __
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2005-Mar-15 6:56 pm
Re: Fock off!said by Maxeh:I'm seriously getting sick of SPYWARE/ADWARE "companies" who put out these silly threats. If I don't want your bloody product I'll fucking remove it!. If you don't provide me with a way to remove it, then I will classify your product along the same lines as a VIRUS or SPYWARE, and find a way to remove it. from a consumer point of view this is what the spyware vendors deserve: __
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| |  pokesphIt Is Almost Fast
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2005-Mar-15 7:28 pm
Re: Fock off!Purfect resonse to ALL these useless, but very funny reading, lawsuits. | |
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said by zoom3148:Ditto to Spyware companies, At this rate No one will buy their stupid products, Except stupid idiots..... Problem is that there is no short supply of stupid idiots. | |
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2005-Mar-16 12:17 am
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hey thats not a christian thing to do! | |
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This likeExtortion now pay up else wth. At least Lavasoft continues to give me a reason not to reintall their software. | |
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2005-Mar-15 6:51 pm
Re: This likeLavasoft are a bunch of traitor wooses.
This is why AntiSpyware should be done by a corporation like Microsoft. They got better lawyers, more money, and will sue back and win without thinking about it to much. | |
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Re: This likeAnd are probably more likely to form business relationships with the spyware vendors than other entities. | |
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Re: This likesaid by JakCrow:And are probably more likely to form business relationships with the spyware vendors than other entities. nuff said. | |
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said by JakCrow:And are probably more likely to form business relationships with the spyware vendors than other entities. What would Microsoft gain from forming a business relationship with a company that uses shady software practices, extorts, and fully utilizes software vulnerabilities which Microsoft is trying to fix. I don't think a company that has made security in its products a priority would try to tarnish that by forming any kind of relationship with a scumware vendor. Ever heard of a bank forming relationships with thieves? | |
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2005-Mar-15 11:49 pm
Re: This likesaid by heathcpe:What would Microsoft gain from forming a business relationship with a company that uses shady software practices...Ever heard of a bank forming relationships with thieves? No...but then again, it isn't like Microsoft has a perfect history of playing fair, now is it? A crook can most certainly learn from another crook, my friend.  | |
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Actually this is most likely whats going to happen to MS.
Hotbar in front of a Judge: "Microsoft is using their Monopoly in Operating systems to promote their MSN toolbar, and using their antispyware application to uninstall us because we're the competition and their a big bad monopoly. WAAAAAAA!!!!"
It doesn't matter if Hotbar formats your harddrive or whatever it does. it's a search bar for IE made by a company, MS has the MSN Toolbar which is a competitor, and one of MS's products removes it saying it's malicious but allows the MSN one. Sounds like antitrust to me. and it will to the judge as well, The'll force MS to cough up money and remove the detect from MSAS. | |
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Re: This likeIt pains me to see people frequently get this wrong...
(1) there: commonly used when describing a place or the presence of something
(2) their: commonly used to describe ownership of something
(3) they're: same as "they are" used to describe something directly
He should have used #3. | |
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said by SmD Frylock:Actually this is most likely whats going to happen to MS. Hotbar in front of a Judge: "Microsoft is using their Monopoly in Operating systems to promote their MSN toolbar, and using their antispyware application to uninstall us because we're the competition and their a big bad monopoly. WAAAAAAA!!!!" It doesn't matter if Hotbar formats your harddrive or whatever it does. it's a search bar for IE made by a company, MS has the MSN Toolbar which is a competitor, and one of MS's products removes it saying it's malicious but allows the MSN one. Sounds like antitrust to me. and it will to the judge as well, The'll force MS to cough up money and remove the detect from MSAS. "MSN Toolbar" is not spyware or whatever. You can easily choose not to install it, or if you already have it installed you can easily remove it. Try doing that with "Hotbar" | |
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| |  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDIS
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said by FDisk:Lavasoft are a bunch of traitor wooses. This is why AntiSpyware should be done by a corporation like Microsoft. They got better lawyers, more money, and will sue back and win without thinking about it to much. That could set a precedent. If Microsoft calls it spyware, then others have the legal standing to do so as well. As much as some people like to bash Redmond over various things, it would be nice to see them start a class action lawsuit against Hotbar, iDownload and other spyware vendors on behalf of millions of Windows users who get this crap on their systems. Oh, and Hotbar IS spyware. So sue me. Those morons have no legal standing anyway. Maybe we should start calling their lawyers cartooneys (as in the cartooney legal threats spammer make). To paraphrase a part of Rule #3 from the Rules Of Spam : Spammer's Spyware Vendor's Standard of Discourse: Threats and intimidation trump facts and logic. | |
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Boggles the mind.. that anti-spyware companies continue to capitulate to the legal antics of these people. Sometimes fighting the good fight, even if you lose, is still worth it in the end.
As stated above, Lavasoft is just this side of useless when everytime some known spyware company threatens to beat them up, Lavasoft hands over their lunch money...pathetic..
I really hope MS's and their upcoming app can have the BALLS these other don't to stand up to spyware companies and let them take their just desserts.
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2005-Mar-15 7:01 pm
Pick on someone with Deeper PocketsSeeing something like this makes me glad Microsoft bought out Giant Antispyware. It'll be interesting to see one of these companies step up to bat with Microsoft's deep pockets and staff of lawyers...as long as they don't cave in.:D | |
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2005-Mar-15 7:13 pm
Malware, Crapware, Adware, SpywareWhatever you call it, it sucks. These people who develop this crap should just be taken out in the streets and lynched. They have to be the lowest form of life on this freaking planet. | |
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2005-Mar-15 7:17 pm
Cash is King!I suspect if Lavasoft charged for their service, then they would have enough money to fight these frivolous claims made by the spyware/adware companies. Thats my $.02 worth! | |
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Cash is King!
I suspect if Lavasoft charged for their service, then they would have enough money to fight these frivolous claims made by the spyware/adware companies. Thats my $.02 worth!
But the fact is more people have probably downloaded the free version then to ever even consider buying it. And even if they did have a decent amount of money it would still be very hard for them to put defense against a decent lawyer. Also with the cash that these Spyware vendors get for hooking draining your information and getting them hooked to display advertisements of products you never wanted or even considered in the first place I am not surprised you can consider some of the financial clout of these firms to be a net equivalent to Drug Lords, or at least the front themselves in the same fashion. | |
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And there it is. The one thing noone seems to mention. Lavasoft is giving their product away for free. How can anyone expect them to protect themselves from lawyers that are doing this to GET PAID. These lawyers have nothing to lose and much to gain. It's tough to be this small software vendor when the aholes can easily destroy your company.
Everyone keep saying you will no longer use Adaware or support lavasoft and you'll definitely be seeing a lot less of them. | |
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Hotbar = Spyware. I remove it from all client PCAnd from any PC I set down in front of. My first question to clients is where did Hotbar come from? Who installed it? No one ever knows how it got on their machine. That is all I need to know to determine it is spyware. OIf course, watching it's behavior tells the story as well.
Hey Hotbar, you are spyware, sue me! | |
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Re: Hotbar = Spyware. I remove it from all clientthey wont sue you, they'll go after dslr. | |
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| kpatzMY HEAD A SPLODE
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Hotbar was the first piece of SPYWARE I ever got on my home PC. Well, I got the installer, which ZoneAlarm blocked from causing further damage. I've removed it from numerous PCs and have seen it return on a number of them too. If Hotbar isn't SPYWARE, then it must be a...
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lawrence171Evilly Yours - Evilness
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Just rename it, stupidjust name these softwares as "Unwanted-ware"
Then, put a footnote saying: Unwanted by most internet users. | |
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 Combat ChuckToo Many Cannibals
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The truth about hotbarHotbar is Adware, not spyware heres why: 1. per » securityresponse.symante ··· bar.htmlquote:
Adware.Hotbar needs to be manually installed on the computer.
2. from » thundercloud.net/infoave ··· rant.htmquote:
This advertising is based on your Web browsing and this is clearly defined in Hotbar's own TOS and Privacy Policy.
it's adware as the software is not according to the above installed surreptitiously and it's actions are defined in the documentation. Now as for the lawsuits: you guys are the ones that decided to vilify adware; you decided to equate it to spyware (aka: adware that is not clear about what it transmits and/or attempts to install secretly) when there is a clear difference; you guys are the ones who decided for everyone else that we should not be given the choice of installing software that is subsidised by advertising or marketing data. In this instance you guys overreacted more than Steve Gibson (which is quite a feat in and of it self) and now we're all going to pay for it, you have little to complain about, you're living in the reality you created. You could have attempted to get the adware companies on your side which could have brought on a lot more money and power to your side, but choose to push them away, good job. Oh, and thanks for dragging me along into your little hell. | |
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2005-Mar-15 8:24 pm
How long before...How long before virus/worm writers start threatening antivirus companies who add detection for their viruses? I can hear it now... "Sobig is not a virus, it's not a worm... it's a tool! Now remove detection before we sue you!"
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What the heckAs a systems administrator I see these things get installed onto systems within the company and especially systems that are either on the go or at home employees. This "HotBar" is just junk anyhow. I believe the people at Lavasoft are too soft to give detecting this up. It is difficult to tell employees how to remove junk manually or guide them to download 10 different programs to clean junk (sometimes I have to wait till the system gets into my hands before so). This little mistake, in my book, will lead to others trying to sue and then the company give in. STAND UP PEOPLE, you can pick an choose what to uninstall when it finds it. | |
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2005-Mar-16 11:00 pm
Re: What the heckWhat the heck absolutly. I am in the same position. People bring me thier computer after it is so choked up with this stuff and it is near impossible to remove. I have a plan. How about some of these companies we work for bring a class action against these spyware/adware companies for lost productivity because thier computers are choking on this stuff, the they have to pay people like me to remove this garbage and having to buy and install programs to defend against it. Maybe these knotheads would get it if you hit there wallets a little. Let's say a cool $100 mil each or so should shut them up. | |
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2005-Mar-15 9:36 pm
What a lot of *****I guess its time to get lavasoft off my computer if they are going give in that easy. Someone needs to stand up to these people and tell them where to stick it. Hotbar was of the first adware every to really screw up my machine to the point that I had to format and restart. Hotbar is spyware and hotbar can sue me if they don't like it. | |
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2005-Mar-15 10:02 pm
Re: What a lot of *****said by hrobins:I guess its time to get lavasoft off my computer if they are going give in that easy. Someone needs to stand up to these people and tell them where to stick it. Hotbar was of the first adware every to really screw up my machine to the point that I had to format and restart. Hotbar is spyware and hotbar can sue me if they don't like it. agreed on both fronts, lavasoft and hotbar once lavasoft sold out, the opinions were in said by technick:Once your a dirty cop, you can never go back. said by BillRoland:Their initial responses, contradictions, lies, etc were enough for me. The trust is gone. said by oliphant:Screw Lavasucks...when they detect Spybot while skipping WhenU they get the WHORE label. Once a whore always a whore. They'll never be trusted again and there are plenty of excellent alternatives who haven't sold out for a quick buck. I guess Lavasucks is hoping we all suffer from battered users syndrome and will come back for more abuse. I think they'll have a hard time finding takers...from DSLR at least. I pretty much agree with them. | |
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2005-Mar-15 9:46 pm
The only Good SPAMMER is a dead SPAMMER !As advised six months ago, the Net and e-commerce are gonna come to a screaming halt now that the CRIMINAL Spammers have gotten the upper hand.
I say ALL Spammer/Hackers/Adware writers and companies who use this software to illegally invade every single PC in existence, should be BURNED AT THE STAKE in a very public ceremony -DAILY- so that it's very clear what awaits these criminals and wannabees. | |
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Hotbar is SPYWAREI would like to see what happens if these Hotbar jerk off's sue Microsoft of McAfee. I am sure that Bill Gates would crush them with his wallet. | |
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Yakup
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2005-Mar-15 9:56 pm
Why lavasoft?It's all about where lavasoft pays it's taxes...
Lets say Lavasoft was a company in europe I am sure no one would be able to sue them... because they would not be bound by US law...
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2005-Mar-15 10:11 pm
Re: Why lavasoft?Lavasoft is indeed originated in Europe. However, as we already know from an example set by the entertainment industry, Europeans are not protected from American lawsuits. » p2pnet.net/story/4234It is P2P related, but it proves enough that there are virtually no limits to what can be done. Too bad....... | |
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Re: Why lavasoft?Or American companies from the European Union's laws, ie the Microsoft anti-trust case. Companies are bound by the laws of the countries they do business in. | |
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