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| It's All About the Money SBC goes for the bucks, period. If they are threatened, they challenge. If there is no competition challenging their sevice, they provide the minimum they feel the custormer will purchase. It's not about what the customer wants, it's about profit. The fact they are challenging the "wants" of a community and pointing out that the community is wrong is insane. | |
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| Re: It's All About the Money said by synergis  :SBC goes for the bucks, period. What else should they do? They're a company. Companies are supposed to make money. And making the customer happy doesn't always equate to making more money.
I don't like what SBC is doing (so spare me any flames, folks), but expecting a company to have all these other (altruistic) purposes besides making money is crazy.
If SBC can dupe your neighbors and politicians into passing laws that kill munis, I'd blame your neighbors and politicians before I'd blame SBC, regardless of how much I may dislike SBC.
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| Re: It's All About the Money said by TheMadSwede :said by synergis :SBC goes for the bucks, period. What else should they do? They're a company. Companies are supposed to make money. And making the customer happy doesn't always equate to making more money. I don't like what SBC is doing (so spare me any flames, folks), but expecting a company to have all these other (altruistic) purposes besides making money is crazy. If SBC can dupe your neighbors and politicians into passing laws that kill munis, I'd blame your neighbors and politicians before I'd blame SBC, regardless of how much I may dislike SBC. Agreed. | |
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Corona, CA | Say it once, say it always... Deploy or GTF outta 'da way. | |
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clubs: | said by oliphant :Deploy or GTF outta 'da way. Yup. | |
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Glamour Profession
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| Ah, hicksville.. Can you expect any more from redneckland?
Banning fiber? How the hell do you ban fiber - that's like banning cable and forcing people to use antennas. No FIOS for Texas, I don't think. Oh well, more bandwidth for me! 
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1 edit | Re: Ah, hicksville.. Don't like what SBC's promoting, but I see why they are doing it.
Surely you jest... Texas is much more than "redneckland". Insulting an entire state (particularly one the size of Texas, once a nation of its own, and one of the top economies of the world) does not show you to be a well informed person.
"Texas, its like a whole other country."
Those who have never been here may think that's corny... but it is fact. And I have traveled all over the world (except the far east). | |
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Joyce, WA | Re: Ah, hicksville.. Yes and it is full of scallywags too which is why I no longer live there.
Oh I forgot I was born and raised there unlike most people that live there now.
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| Re: Ah, hicksville.. said by flushls :Yes and it is full of scallywags too which is why I no longer live there. On behalf of all us "scallywags"....good riddance.
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| Re: Ah, hicksville.. said by lswinney :said by flushls :Yes and it is full of scallywags too which is why I no longer live there. On behalf of all us "scallywags"....good riddance. 2 entries found for scallywags.
scal·a·wag P Pronunciation Key (skl-wg) also scal·ly·wag (skl-)
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Informal. A reprobate; a rascal.
A white Southerner working for or supporting the federal government during Reconstruction.
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Nobody here seems to be working during the reconstruction era, since that was long past, so I have no clue what you guys are talking about.
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Valencia, CA | fios I thought Texas got FIOS? | |
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| Re: fios said by lettcco :I thought Texas got FIOS? Verizon deployed a bit of it: won't sell carrier access though.
Munis are when local muni(cipalities) build and run a network as a public utility, same as elctricity, water, sewer - often because the commercial providers won't serve the town anyway. Now that munis have been popular successes in some areas the commercial ops are trying to manipulate politicians into passing laws at the state level to make it either hard or impossible for towns to own their networks.
Class A blatant stupidity, but the pols are whoring themselves out for big business. Again. Thus the flap. | |
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| fair complaint: demand more even regulation Ah, but that's just it. They don't demand the FCC force cable to open up to resellers. They deman the FCC remove the wholesale requirement regulations on them.
When is the government going to wake up and ask the much needed questions? Who among us can actually choose between Verizon and SBC local phone service in their home? Who here can choose between Comcast and TimeWarner in their home?
That's right, no one or an extremely rare few. These companies have been colluding ever sine the 1996 telecommunication act. SBC and Verizon complain UNEPs are too low, yet they won't buy each others' UNEPs and compete. Cable and the Bells say, "build your own." Yet when companies try, the monopolies sales reps follow the construction crews and offer special 'promotional pricing' to everyone in the new companies build out territories.
It's funny how when congress held hearings on the Microsoft monopoly they used the question of 'who here uses something other than windows on their computer?' but they want do the same for phone and cable service. | |
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Brunswick, MD | Re: fair complaint: demand more even regulation What's funny is SBC is running similar ads in the DC area doo. | |
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World News Trust
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| All good points, but the real telling of the tale can be found in Federal and state election contribution disclosure forms(ELEC).
Read them and marvel how government is sold to the highest bidders. Pay close attention to the amounts being handed out by the major telecom concerns. You will find it...enlightening. | |
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Ah, but that's just it. They don't demand the FCC force cable to open up to resellers. They deman the FCC remove the wholesale requirement regulations on them.
When is the government going to wake up and ask the much needed questions? Who among us can actually choose between Verizon and SBC local phone service in their home? Who here can choose between Comcast and TimeWarner in their home?
That's right, no one or an extremely rare few. These companies have been colluding ever sine the 1996 telecommunication act. SBC and Verizon complain UNEPs are too low, yet they won't buy each others' UNEPs and compete. Cable and the Bells say, "build your own." Yet when companies try, the monopolies sales reps follow the construction crews and offer special 'promotional pricing' to everyone in the new companies build out territories.
It's funny how when congress held hearings on the Microsoft monopoly they used the question of 'who here uses something other than windows on their computer?' but they want do the same for phone and cable service.
If Verizon provided me phone and FIOS it would literally take .5 of a second to call and cancel SBC phone. If Verizon offered me FIOS it would take me about 1 sec after I finish calling to dial the number to cancel my Cable HSI(since it is the ONLY one I can choose at the moment).
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Atlanta, GA | SBC to Texans "Yer dumb, believe us, now!" I'm just not sure about stupid people in large numbers. I do not know if its the suits of SBC or the Texans in general. And since Texans will come on here to defend themselves (good for them!) it must be large number of stupid suits at SBC. | |
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| Re: SBC to Texans "Yer dumb, believe us, now!" I am a Texan but I have no soft spot in my heart for SBC. I live within loop 820 in Fort Worth about a mile from TCU and couldn't even get SBC DSL at my house until about six months ago. I've had Charter high speed cable for about five years now and plan on keeping it. SBC had all this big talk about Project Pronto a few years ago and then gave up on it. I guarantee you that SBC did not consult us citizens when their lobbyists wrote that bill that they are trying to ram through the Texas Leg. By the way, the Texas Leg. meets about four months every two years. These bills are written way in advance by the ultimate insiders and the citizenry has virtually no chance to even react to them before they are voted on. I guess I'll stop here. | |
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Round Rock, TX
| Re: SBC to Texans "Yer dumb, believe us, now!" said by docsis7 :These bills are written way in advance by the ultimate insiders and the citizenry has virtually no chance to even react to them before they are voted on. I guess I'll stop here. Obviously, SBC, Verizon and the legislatures have no business asking our opinion. We are mere peasants for them. How dare we question their true motives!
There were a lot of feedback against toll roads from Public in Central Texas but they are going with it as well. In this case the contractors and their political buddies (starting from Gov Perry won).
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Fort Worth, TX | Re: SBC to Texans "Yer dumb, believe us, now!" Just to let everyone know, HB 789 passed in the House without opposition on March 29 and has been referred to the Senate Business and Commerce Committee. | |
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join:2001-10-03
Houston, TX
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| said by DrTCP :said by docsis7 :There were a lot of feedback against toll roads from Public in Central Texas but they are going with it as well. In this case the contractors and their political buddies (starting from Gov Perry won). Big business wins Texas size! I feel sorry Central Texas got dragged into the whole "tollway" situation. I'm up here near the Bush Turnpike and the Dallas Tollway. That's ok I guess, because we all know the Trans Texas-Corridor is next. What great way to tear up the state. Anyway, SBC has been using the same "modernize" tag for years. Anyone remember the whole local & long distance debates in the 80s and 90s? I remember hearing the same excuse..."modernize". --
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Why the fck is Shane walking in there?
join:2001-02-24
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| said by ColdFiltered :I'm just not sure about stupid people in large numbers. I do not know if its the suits of SBC or the Texans in general. And since Texans will come on here to defend themselves (good for them!) it must be large number of stupid suits at SBC. On the other hand, how do you explain Tom DeLay? He keeps getting elected in overwhelming numbers, so we can't blame SBC for that one.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Change we can believe in, 1922
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Houston, TX
| said by Derek_Wildstar :said by ColdFiltered :I'm just not sure about stupid people in large numbers. I do not know if its the suits of SBC or the Texans in general. And since Texans will come on here to defend themselves (good for them!) it must be large number of stupid suits at SBC. On the other hand, how do you explain Tom DeLay? He keeps getting elected in overwhelming numbers, so we can't blame SBC for that one. If you draw the lines right, you can get anyone elected. And that is what happened.
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2 edits | Re: SBC to Texans "Yer dumb, believe us, now!" DeLay is indeed an embarrassment and I certainly don't claim him as a fellow Texan either. But DeLay may have pushed things a little bit too far. He actually was about 10 percentage points behind Bush's performance in his district last November. And polls in his district are showing a further decrease in support for him lately. We can only hope that if the "ethics" issues don't get him in Washington or if the grand jury doesn't indict him in Austin, then maybe the voters of Sugarland will throw him out in 2006. | |
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Fleeting | Be quiet, you guys! You'll upset the fanboy bell apologists..... | |
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Anaheim, CA | nice commercial (sarcasm on) could that commercial be any more vague?????? imagine the average person in texas, or any where else for that matter, seeing that commercial....what are they supposed to think? | |
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Fort Worth, TX | Re: nice commercial (sarcasm on) I just watched the commercial kevings. Gives a new meaning to the word vague for sure. What the......do those guys take us for anyway? | |
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They take you for stupid, worker drone cattle to be fleeced at every opportunity. Sadly, in many cases, they are right. Why do you think the schools suck so much and you are forced to send your kids to public schools unless you are lucky enough to be able to afford a private school?
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Why the fck is Shane walking in there?
join:2001-02-24
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| said by kevings :could that commercial be any more vague?????? imagine the average person in texas, or any where else for that matter, seeing that commercial....what are they supposed to think? ...and there is the problem. You are expecting the average person to educate themselves about an issue that doesn't directly impact their drive time or their leisure time. Unfortunately, the average person will listen to the loudest voice available and choose accordingly.
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| For Florida Residents The anti-muni bill in Florida will be before the Senate Communications and Public Utilities committee on Tuesday. The bill will prevent a city/county from building their own network if there is service of at least 144 kbps provided by a private company. If there isn't they will need permission from the incumbents before they can build one.
So far it's breezing through the House committees so the Senate looks like the only place to stop it. If your Senator sits on the committee, contact their office before Tuesday and let them know your thoughts on this issue.
Here is a list of the Senators on the committee:
Chair: Lee Constantine (R)
Vice Chair: Dave Aronberg (D)
JD Alexander (R)
Jeffrey H. "Jeff" Atwater (R)
Alex Diaz de la Portilla (R)
Paula Dockery (R)
Rudy Garcia (R)
Gwen Margolis (D)
Lesley "Les" Miller, Jr. (D)
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Houston, TX | Even if the Entire Community Votes for it? When has an entire community ever voted for anything? That's fairly disingenuous. | |
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| Re: Profits said by XBL2009 :Can't make 7 billion a year in profits if your compete agianst a muni who is actually providing "real" Broadband. PS: It's not written in the constition that "profits" must be protected. Constitution....heh | |
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