  DavidI have a son- d3Premium,VIP
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At 50,000 per month, and 750k per day it is no wonder why spam proliferated. Damn, look at the money/scam potential. | |
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 | | | Re: One thought sure lots of money potential... so does selling crack. Unfortunatly.
I just hope this conviction will help detur some other spammers. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: One thought said by clickwir:sure lots of money potential... so does selling crack.... Spammers are even lower than crack dealers though. At least crack dealers have a real product people want and have to worry about their reputation if they want to keep their customers! | |
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| Re: One thought said by salahx:said by clickwir:sure lots of money potential... so does selling crack.... Spammers are even lower than crack dealers though. At least crack dealers have a real product people want and have to worry about their reputation if they want to keep their customers! yea, but last I checked we go after crack dealers more than we do spammers. It's kind of like we will spend over 4k catching a crack dealer but spend less in catching spammers and they are the ones raking in bigger bucks.
Sorry about the price clarification, if he was spending 50k a day on internet access, and still pulled in 750k then we still (as a whole internet public) still look kind of dumb letting it go this long.
I am not starting a flame war or anything but you just have to imagine what brains it took to think this up. It takes more than a crack dealer comes up with.
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Reston, VA | Re: One thought You must remember that this $50K was going to an ISP. A major problem with SPAM is a lack of interest by the ISP's to effectively curb it.
"Hey! This person that is giving us $50,000 per month might be illegally using our service. We should..uh..do..something..about it." As they whistle and roll their eyes skyward.
It took an act of Congress to light a fire under some butts to make anything happen. Although, the Acts that were imposed are almost making things worse than before. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: One thought There are ISP's out there that do not accept business from spammers. Sure the bigger ones tend to look the other way, but not all ISP businesses out there enjoy a fat check from unscrupulous businesses. | |
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| | | | | | Holy shit... Spam doesn't kill people, whereas crack is a hazard, directly and indirectly, to the individual who consumes it. Are you actually trying to make some sort of analogy here? | |
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Seriously though, this guy was scamming people. Money is tight these days for all but about 2% of the population. Who knows what this guy was selling and to whom, but I can't help but think that if the guy was sentenced to 9 years, the implication is there that his actions had a significant impact upon his victims. With prison overcrowding these days, most manslaughter sentences are less than 9 years. If the guy had that much money, you would think that he could have afforded lawyers that were good enough to get him sent to Danbury for a 6 month vacation, unless the impact of his actions were quite severe.
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kudos:1 | No pity here Don't drop the soap Jeremy, I'm sure being a computer nerd who wants to make other people annoyed really impresses the other guys in prison  | |
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kudos:7 | Re: No pity here It never fails. You only have to mention jail, and someone's posting sniggering remarks about homosexual rape. | |
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| Re: No pity here In what way doesn't this person deserve it? They didn't care about the people they spammed did they, they had multiple connections spamming 24/7 with no reguard that most of the people didn't want anything they were sending, along with not stopping spamming these people who didn't want it obviously.
Sometimes it takes another extreme to show someone the wrong for their own actions.
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Westfield, NJ | Re: No pity here But, answer me this. Do you want all the junk mail that shows up in your mail box each day, do you want the email advertisements(spam) that come from the corporations each day, unsolicited? They don't care about the people they spam 24/7 with no regard that most people don't want what they are sending.
Where is jeremy any different from the corporate spammers? | |
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| | | | BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: No pity here Corporations that do spam usually don't do it themselves, and hire another company/person to do the spamming. Get rid of these scapegoats, and they will have to be responsible for their own actions. | |
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| | | |  GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
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Hollywood, FL | The biggest problem really is that the vast majority of this "industry" consists of nothing but fraud artists.
I always find it funny when the association of marketeers or whatever they call themselves raises holy hell over the fact that they have the right to do this, that and the other thing (with your information that they bought from, I dunno your state DMV perhaps)....and seem to try and lump these guys into that lot. IMNSHO - they would do well to distance themselves from this lot of crooks.
Sorry, but legitimate marketing is one thing - outright fraud is another. SPAM isn't just about marketing email in my mind but it also includes virus laden phishing etc. It's all the same crap to me.
Yes, we have had major issues curbing even generally legit companies marketing efforts - the National DNC Registry as done diddley for the "Hey, want a new mortgage" phonecalls I get. Mostly I think this is because the company outsources their efforts and then turns their heads to what that company may do in their name.
I still think though, if they are legal/legit you can at least have a better shot of finding them and possibly even regulating what they do. Ongoing 1st amendment arguments aside & all. If these jackholes really thought they were doing something "legit" they wouldn't hide behind bogus names, use scads of zombie machines to forward their crap or use bogus email addresses.
To hell with this dude, and all like him. He deserves the hell he gets....and I hope there is plenty more where this came from.
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| They deserve legally-sanctioned punishment. In a society of laws, not men.
Until you can show me the statute that says otherwise, I maintain that they don't deserve to be forcibly screwed in the ass as part of their debt to society.
But really, I wasn't commenting on the punishment. I was commenting on the strange state of a mind that responds to the idea "jail" with "anal rape". It seems downright unhealthy to me. | |
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Glendale, AZ | Re: No pity here 9 years in prison and NO vaseline!  | |
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Humble, TX | Re: No pity here said by Allnew:ROFL:D:D Talking about pain here. Yes. Hilarious. 9 years of homosexual rape is absolutely comical.
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| Re: No pity here Two points:
1. This guy's crime does not seem to me to be of the same order as 'molesting a 4 year old girl', which has to rank pretty close to the top of evil deeds. But that is irrelevant, because ...
2. I believe in appropriate punishment to the fullest extent of the law. There's no law saying that getting screwed in the ass is a punishment that can be inflicted on anyone. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: No pity here Well Dave BlitzenZeus's salient point about depriving a crook of all assets acquired as a result of their criminal conduct is spot on esp. in this case.
As far as jail/sodomy it is a reality and perhaps a deterrent as a graphic picture of life inside the big house should you become a resident of the state. | |
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Humble, TX | said by dave:They deserve legally-sanctioned punishment. In a society of laws, not men. Until you can show me the statute that says otherwise, I maintain that they don't deserve to be forcibly screwed in the ass as part of their debt to society. But really, I wasn't commenting on the punishment. I was commenting on the strange state of a mind that responds to the idea "jail" with "anal rape". It seems downright unhealthy to me. Somehow I doubt that these people are condoning homosexual rape, but the sad fact is that it is very much a part of life in prison. Your chances of getting raped are definitely much higher if you are white, young and weak.
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| Re: No pity here said by Seandhi:Somehow I doubt that these people are condoning homosexual rape, Sure they are. And I quote "in what way doesn't this person deserve it?". | |
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Hialeah, FL | Hmm...
Here's a guy that doesn't know any Corrections Officers. I know several. (Family, friends, etc.) Gang rapes DO happen and damn frequently, along with vicious beatings, and illicit drug use (almost more inside than out). More so in Federal Prison than Local Jail but it IS a "problem" (read: Corrections can give two shits a crook is being pounded by other crooks) they sweep under the rug...
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| said by dave:It never fails. You only have to mention jail, and someone's posting sniggering remarks about homosexual rape. Tiresome, isn't it. | |
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| |  ROCINANTEOriginal Member 007Premium
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Hartsdale, NY | That's because they watch too much tv and have distorted ideas about what goes on in prison. Or, they have homoerotic fantasies about what they would like to happen to them in prison. Unless he hurt a woman or child, he will be ok.
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| | | | said by dave:It never fails. You only have to mention jail, and someone's posting sniggering remarks about homosexual rape. Because infact it is the truth as to what happens to (fresh) meat.In this case a spammer who may have sent spam to an inmates family brother sister aunt uncle does not matter.Do you think inmates do not have family or relations? Living in the gray bar hotel in small quarters does not take much to rile an inmate up. | |
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| Re: No pity here Pay attention now. I'd have thought I was being pretty clear.
1. Yes, homosexual rape happens in jails.
2. It's not part of any legal punishment.
3. But I'm not trying to discuss whether it does or does not happen. I'm trying to discuss the warped mentality of those who whoop and holler (or, alternatively, laugh) at the prospect of someone getting raped. | |
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Can we put AOL in Jail for CD Spamming?
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1 edit | Re: . said by Billiam85:16 Broadband lines and all that equipment, wouldn't mind seeing some pictures of his setup :P 
His new setup.
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| | Just hope the conviction holds up. He doesn't have to report to prison pending appeal. | |
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| Re: Not locked up just yet... said by mlundin:Just hope the conviction holds up. He doesn't have to report to prison pending appeal. They'll probably let him go.
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| | And I have to work 70 hours a week to hopefully make 3k a month... I hate spam as much as everyone else but at that kind of money if I knew how, I would do it in a heartbeat. | |
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| | | Re: Thats a lot of money.... This guy is pulling in ~25k per day. I would also do this in a heartbeat... at least for a month or two  | |
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| | | I've said it before, I'll say it again. I could be a spammer and be so rich if it wasn't for these pesky morals!
Nice to head of a spammer being given more than just a slap on the wrist though. | |
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kudos:1 | 9 years is not nearly long enough for a spammer IMHO, but when he gets out, he still has $20mil in the bank! Where's the fine? Should be $1k for each spam he sent, that'd be nice. $$$ should go towards eliminating the USF. Or something. | |
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Denver, CO | Isn't one of the "laws of spamming" that spammers always end up bankrupt? Of course, jailed is a good ending to go along with it.
I also doubt that spammers really have as much money as it seems, even when things are going well. They have business expenses for everything from all the fat pipes they use to regular payroll taxes, plus all sorts of expenses from lawyers to lowlifes who run zombie networks. And given the bottom-feeding nature of their business, they probably end up with non-paying customers and bad business deals, lowlifes who rip them off and don't deliver as promised, and perhaps even "protection money" and outright extortion paid to internet mobsters.
Reading about real-life organized criminals and mobsters, I see that in reality it is a pretty mundane and ugly existence, and that they support seemingly lavish lifestyles only sqeaking by crime-to-crime (as versus the legitimate paycheck-to-paycheck). My guess is that the reality of the spammer's life is similarly gritty and unpleasant. | |
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Meanwhile, there is a larger group of "low-profile" spammers. These folks, at best, live paycheck to paycheck and don't pull much in from spamming. They might also not be sending the same amount of spams as the high-profile spammers so the trade off might be that they are less likely to be caught and prosecuted. After all, why go after 1,000 low-profile spammers who send out 1,000 spam e-mails each when you can go after one high-profile spammer who sends out 1,000,000 spam e-mails?
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| | How do I get started? 750k a month. I should quit my job and start doing this for two months then quit. | |
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kudos:2 | So he's sentenced to 9 years. What about the $24 million he has? Is that going to be frozen until he gets out in 9 years? What if that $24 million is in a savings accout @ 3%? It's gonna mature for 9 years?
What about the ISP that took his money? They need to be fined for allowing such activity.
What about the companies he was spamming for? They need to be fined for hiring him. Infact, they should lose their business license. They are not an honest company.
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|  rweeb5
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Cleveland, OH | Re: What about the ISP and those companies? Hey, I hate getting all the email telling me where to get Viagra or that my loan I never applied for has been approved but it's not that much different from Amazon, Staples or any other company or website I have or have not done business with constantly sending me email. It's the same as people calling my house, knocking on my front door, or stuffing my mailbox, It's ADVERTISING. If I jump through hoops I can opt out of some of these but they will find another way to get my attention. Advertising is constantly bombarding us everywhere you look, it's out of control. I can't take a piss in a restaurant without being exposed to it. We need to put well defined boundaries on it before my kid goes to Pepsi High School or your next traffic ticket is brought to you by Geico Auto insurance.
This guy was in business, quite a few dummies got hurt financially, millions got annoyed, but his nine year sentence is too much for cleverly reaching as many idiots as he could find and sucking up bandwidth. Fraud that's another story and he should be punished for it. He is the fall guy so people can say "See, we are doing something about spam". Propaganda, advertising, it’s the same thing. | |
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| | ...and they should make sure this scumbag gets a $30 million dollar fine on top of the prison sentence and seizure of all assets including hidden stuff. He should also pay for all cost associated with prosecution and incarceration, just to drive the point home to ALL CRIMINALS what they should expect. | |
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| | Now I hate spam as much as the next person, unless it is fried with butter, onions and peppers, but to compare a spammer with a crack dealer is ludicrous. Crack kills, spam doesn't. | |
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| | | Re: Comparing crack to spam I know we all hate spam, but come on. Your going to throw a spammer in jail for 9 years with other people that ACTUALLY belong there (robbers, attempted/murderers, molesters/rapists, drug dealers). Im sorry, but that to me just seems a little harsh. We spend way to much time and money looking for spammers now. Oh no, I got an email about purchasing Viagra, sue that man! Every time I turn on the news I hear about a murder..a roberry..some girl getting raped..etc..those are the people we need to look for..
Its your own stupidity if you look a any suspicious email. Companies such as AOL and Ebay (mentioned in the article) should strengthen their security in order to ensure the privacy of their users. Clearly, they have not been able to do that. Maybe we should also point the finger at them as well?.. Just make it so he can't sign up with any ISP for the next 10 years or so. I'm sure it will drive him insane considering that most of his life revolved around the Internet. Although, that's just my thoughts of coarse.. | |
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He stole my bandwidth, I consider that theft of property too. *sniff* | |
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he pumped out 10 million spam e-mails a day over 16 broadband lines - selling mostly fraudulent crap. His monthly broadband bill was about $50,000 per month, according to this older AP article.
16x29.95 for 1.5M lines = 479 =?? 50000.0 / month
(100kB/s x 3600s/h x 24h x 16 lines) / (10kB per mailing) = 13.8M mails
Sounds like a typical prosecutorial promotion. | |
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kudos:13 | Re: A Patriot Act Promotion? At US$50,000, he was either paying for bandwidth solely (i.e. metred usage inside of a co-lo, or 95th percentile), or he had his own DS3 (45mbit; which is approximately around US$50K/month).
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| | I have some great tips to fight spam, on my website at »hdtvtechno.netfirms.com/antispam.html
i also use Spamcop.net reporting service, it all helps, for what i been getting around 200spam emails a day, now im only getting 10-15 spam emails a day.
see reporting the spam does help, | |
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| | I'd do it for that money! It's worth it IMHO. The guy will be out on Parole in 2 or 3 years. Last I heard, he has a LOT of that cash stashed away waiting for him when he get's out. $24 million is worth 2 or 3 years in prison IMHO! I'd definitely do it!
It's not like they are gonna throw him in with killers and other hardcores either. Probably fairly minimum security types. Go to prison for 2 or 3 years and retire a millionaire. He's not that old either. Sounds worth it to me! | |
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| | | Re: I'd do it! Oh, lets not forget the book and movie deals. Nobody is gonna doubt him as an anti-spam expert when he get's out if he want's to do that! Lots of notoriety just like that guy who hacked a bunch of corporations way back and went to prison. Now he has his own security company. Can't remember his name but he's practically a legend among legit hacker circles.
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Baker City, OR | Re: I'd do it! Hacker is Kevin Mitnick and I've read his book: "The Art of Deception". Really good book and I've tried some of his examples in the book, which actually have worked for me. Social Engineering is way easier then trying to exploit a linux box, in my opinion. Hell of a lot faster.
For the spammer, 9 years seems way harsh to me. I think just taking away the money and a little Jail time for first offense would of done justice, but also 750K, good lord, I hope he writes a book in Jail. | |
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| | Actually, there IS one good thing about AOL...They have controls that let you use a authorized sender list. If one gets enough mail per month, it's probably worth the $9.95 per month for 7 addresses. Not to mention you can get in the chatrooms and scroll HTML, flame and generally act like a retard. Hell, may as well get maximum value from that DSL or cable. Myself, I get mailboxes to use from my DSL provider. Trouble is they're such a pain in the ass to set up and I'm certainly not going to use my master name mailbox, oh no...
And, yes, you CAN get AOL "For Broadband", Bring your own access for 9.95 a month with a 6 month commitment. Hell, they'll even give you 15 hours of free dialup a month for those times of emergency. You can even have up to all 7 names online at once. What nirvana.... | |
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kudos:1 | Re: 50K? A nice OC3 or OC12 to MCI/UUnet would cost you that much. | |
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