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Re: Lets get this over with..
said by jarablue:Your reply shows how ignorant and clueless you are.
Who the hell still uses ham radios anyway? Get a freakin phone for christs sake.
They don't use ham radios as their MAIN form of communications but as a HOBBY. It is RUNNING your own radio station! You can talk AROUND the world on less than 1 watt of electricity EVEN if your electricity goes out....
Ham Radios were one of the main forms of communications following 9/11 at Ground Zero! In all the hurricanes, and other events that take out the phone networks, ham radio is the ONLY way. The government uses these operators for emergency communication. They even recognized them recently by giving all ham radio operators the right to a special drivers license plate just for ham radio operators (doesn't sound like much, but they're RECOGNIZED).
Hey OOL, throttle this! I'm going to FIOS...
Verizon FIOS Forum
Re: Lets get this over with.. Ham radio is a "2 part" service. It's importance as an emergency communication medium for the nation shouldn't be confused with the fact that it is also a hobby.
Ham radio operators have made vast improvements to the way we communicate today by developing/refining technologies such as SSB and digital modes like psk31. Lots of Hams devote quite a bit of their *own* time to the cause, studying rf propagation and ways to make it better, more effecient, more fun, etc. Hams have even proposed solutions for bpl that would make it feasible (like moving the spectrum it operates in to 5ghz), but stuff like this seems to go in one deaf capitalist ear and out the other.
Amateur radio is much more than a "hobby" for some of us. As an EE student, ham radio has helped me procure interests that would have otherwise been left unfounded. Not to mention the fact that it is very challenging (and fun) to build your own radio station and have a conversation with someone on the other side of the world, without having to pay for airtime or isp fees.
And it's not a matter of "if", but "when" there is a serious natural disaster, and your precious cell phone WONT work (hell mine only works half the time now...can't even get service in my bedroom, less than 2 miles from the tower.) Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters? No, you wont call anybody because the 600,000 hams who listen to you whine about how you don't need their help anymore will still be there to help anyway, because that's what we do...
Not to mention the service we provide to the National Weather Service when there is severe weather. Google up Skywarn, ARES, RACES, MARS, and get an idea of what it's all about before you go cutting it down.
My radios have *never* given me a "busy signal", or told me to try my call again later because "all circuits are full". I don't need a dialtone or an IP address to communicate, be it for my pleasure or the safety of myself or others. Too much reliance on big technology will leave us severly crippled in the event of a serious disaster. Then whatcha gonna do?
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Re: Lets get this over with..
said by rf_engineer:You don't suppose he is Thomas Edison reincarnated:)
This is the same guy (markopoleo) that claimed DC
power grids were "better" for BPL. 'nuff said
Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you.
| || I would listen to your rants but you have yet to be post proof of your past claims.|
BTW, HAMS were is use during 9/11. »www.defrance.org/wtc/Cirri.htm
quote:Here is another one:
Lieutenant Cirri, a member of the Port Authority Police Department, had about 10 ham radios operating at their home in Nutley, N.J., and helped shore up the state's emergency communications systems. One of the repeaters he set up for the Hudson County Office of Emergency Management was working on Sept. 11, with his voice, and his friends are keeping it. "His voice is still going on, as we speak," Mrs. Cirri said. "It's still keying up every 15 minutes on that repeater, out in space forever."
In case you forgot, this was my question for you:
quote:From: »Stupid ARRL
said by markopoleo:
They are even whining about SUCCESS FULL trials that are going on, including one that has only had once complaint in the 6 months, which was dropped because owner cited it was his equipment not the BPL trial causing his problems. lol
To which I responded:
said by moonpuppy:
Post proof of said complaint.
Otherwise, the HAMS and the ARRL live in your head rent free.
Now post up your claims or go sit in the corner like a good little boy. RENT FREE! SING IT!
Long Beach, NY
| |said by markopoleo:Gee markopoleo...yet another fact-less post made by you in yet another BPL discussion in which you never offer proof of your claims, nor bother to respond to the courteous and fact-filled responses to your multitude of posts.
Your statement shows how ignorant and clueless YOU are. Emergency services don't NEED hams anymore (minus the above situation). Cell phone service worked at ground zero btw,
You might want to reconsider using the term, "ignorant" in response to others when you have so easily continued to maintain that line of thinking.
I won't waste the bandwidth to offer you salient responses to your posts...quite frankly they are all over the place and you can easily go back and read them all.
my wife worked in the hot zone. I promise you that cell phone service was not available. Even a spark of access was overloaded...throughout the whole of NYC- even in undamaged areas due to the unusually heavy volume.
In the weeks that followed, cell service was slow to return while the communication needs were immediately dire.
I was one of those unnecessary "stupid reason license plate" folks who was called back to NYC (since I had moved to another county) to operate an emergency communication station under the auspices of the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management in liaison with Red Cross . My stupid and unnecessary station was asked to be set up hundreds of feet from where the towers used to stand in the EOC (Emergency Operations Center) where the FBI, military, local, state and other response agencies were situated. It's unbelievable (I know...) that I was given the highest clearance (a modified ALL ACCESS ID - so I couldn't enter things like the morgue)and that the military escorted me to my post- one which you so comfortably state had to be stupid and unnecessary.
But, I digress...markopoleo knows it all...as long as it jives with his wants.
Maybe someone slipped me a mickey and I imagined all of this...
...that must have been it.
I don't expect a reply since markopoleo has NEVER responded to a rebuttal on the subject. I only post so that new-comers will not assume that because markopoleo has written it, that is is so!
Re: markopoleo's continued disinformation...
said by w2co:Don't worry. HAMS live in marcopoleo's head rent free. Every time this comes up, he rants off BS he can't prove.
I won't even respond to Marcopoleo's factless posts anymore. It is a waste of bandwidth and time. Just let him rant - he's nothing anyway.
Re: Over and underestimating... Unwinnable? maybe; useless? not at all: there seems to be a never-ending stream of inane, silly or just plain uninformed arguments that must be challenged - wouldn't want those people to go away thinking they were correct;)
Hams may be the most vocal BPL opponents but there are a lot of users of that chunk of spectrum between 2 and 80 MHz that aren't quite as willing as some would like to have their rights to use that spectrum interfered with and will defend those rights - why would you expect it to be otherwise?
Apparently the EU think some kind of progress has been made on the interference issue; I'm waiting to hear what they think they have achieved. I guess we should count this as progress indeed considering the state of denial the BPL industry appears to have been in on this issue since day one. Do they now admit there is an interference problem to be addressed?
Make a convincing argument (with supporting technical facts) concerning how the interference will go away and you'll have a captive audience of hams. Make silly comments suggesting that YOUR right to broadband is somehow so important that it's perfectly OK to coincidentaly trash another resource and you'll have a real argument.
| |said by TheMadSwede:I've grown tired of the debates here as well, although you'll find most of the pro-BPL banter is "give me fast cheap broadband in the country now" types of arguments. Ham radio certainly isn't the end-all-be-all of communications but it has its place, but BPL is far from what its proponents claim it to be.
All sides, save those who do not care, are unwilling to compromise or recognize faults in their arguments. Thus we're left with a useless, unwinnable debate that's been had for too long on BBR.
Only time will tell who wins this, but with the BPL hype-athon in its third year, it's not much beyond several test beds and a couple commercial sites. DSL and cable grew much, much faster than this and that was arguably before broadband had widespread acceptance.
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said by StormChaserOK:I guess your point is even experienced HAM's don't know proper grammar and punctuation?
i'm storm chaser for NWS And i'm ham radio operator. When i chase i cover a large amount of ground and drive in many states and areas mostly rural areas i have a great cell phone service to talk to NWS offices to relay reports for storms. But some times i get in a area with no towers for 50 miles or more. Yes there are these areas out on the plains. I need a ham radio to talk to a repeater 20-40 miles away that likes into a superlink of repeaters so i can talk state wide to other ham in skywarn networks or to the state NWS office. But sometime even those repeaters are out of range so i have get on 20 meters HF band to talk to a Skywarn weather net around 14.270mhz USB and relay reports that way so warning can go out and reports more creditable. yes NWS can use there radar to see some storms but i can see a storm up next to it. Giving a live report and tracks of the storm over cell phone and ham radio to the people at the NWS for issueing a warning so you people known there is a tornado or large hail coming. To this date i have made over 600 report of tornados to the NWS which issused warnings that their radar never picked up on that a tornado was there over 60% of report were made with ham radio.
Re: Heh I'm a hunting, fishing, storm chasing redneck it's normal.
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I have found
A photo of one of the engineers working on BPL doing some end user field testing. Shown is a 1524 Mbps transmission. Notice the Daffey Duck form of the wave front. Unforunately these tests ended tragically as is illustrated by the court room artist's drawing.
BPL RF testing
Long Beach, NY
| |said by Matt3:You need to pick better friends.
I knew a HAM operator....all he did was show us how cool it was to call a landline phone, talk to someone far away about nothing and mess with the drive through radio at Burger King.
Why is anyone trying to protect these folks again?
Deciding that all of a group of people are a certain way because of one acquaintance, you may need to pick a different means of assessment.
If you have a real argument against amateur radio, its services or technology, then post it for further debate.
(Attacking one's grammar or spelling is not a valid argument- sorry)