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Enjoy Your Stay
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join:2005-03-31
Vishnuland
| It won't be long It won't be long before someone modifies BT to share tracker data via peers. I foresee a client with the ability to gather data on all available trackers with the address of a single tracker. After that, all that's needed is for the sites to use an RSS feed for their torrents and one would simply have to download all torrent information from every site and search their own records.
You'd never have to search for a tracker or site again. Once you're in the system, there'd be no need.
Too bad I can't program. 
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join:2003-02-19
Sherman Oaks, CA | Re: It won't be long still separate web sides | |
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MichaelBoltn
Enjoy Your Stay
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join:2005-03-31
Vishnuland
| Re: It won't be long What?
Here's how my idea works:
- You type the address of a known tracker into your BT client.
- Along with all torrent data for that tracker, you also receive the IP addresses of other clients that are connected.
- Your BT client automatically requests tracker URLs and torrent info from the client IPs you got from the tracker.
Once you've been in the "system" for 5 minutes, you'd have more than enough tracker URLs to never need to visit another BT site again. You'd simply connect to more and more peers, continually gaining tracker URLs every time you connected.
- Your BT program would parse XML/RSS data from each tracker your client knows of. You could then search your new database of torrents for what you wanted.
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Dont_Bogart
| Re: It won't be long That virus.... pass it onto someone else for good measure
Michale, there are a lot of theroy's about how to do this and some practical infomaiton on some of this information...
The real wrinkle is... at somepoint in time; you connect from some server / client into the backbone; and as all this informaiton whips around the global network, it can be tracked.
So..... the more folks try to hide who they are; the more the anonimity is going to disapear...
I'm not holding my breath on any of the techniques I've read about to thwart those who are distributing or permitting the distribution of illegal download / uploads.... eventually; it's going to be almost impossible to send somehting "Anonymously"....... perhas from a public library or something like that... but short of that...I'm not so sure.
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join:2005-01-04
Fairfax, VA
| Re: It won't be long I'm not too thrilled on the idea of a huge BT network where you can download from any tracker just by connecting to one. Private sites that restict access and track ratios are still more appealing to me, even if they don't offer up as much content. The speeds are actually better for everybody if you discourage leeching by the threat of a ban. (and you may not have noticed but there are A LOT of leeches on public swarms).
Is it reasonably to expect there to me more fakes and spoofs the larger the network? It's one thing to download a spoof of a 4 meg MP3, another thing entirely when it's a 4.7 gig DVD-R. | |
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| @ MichaelBoltn,
BitComet already swaps peer data across swarm boundaries for matching file hashes, increasing your peer-counts without any tracker intervention or knowledge. It's an interesting scheme and in many ways superior (or inferior, depending on your POV) to your idea of swapping tracker data. Raises all kinds of security/enforcement issues a la copyrights & regional marketing agreements - including raising the specter of network file pollution.
The reason your tracker data-swap idea would not work is trackers can be easily made to know & ID their client userbase: a number of tools including cookie logins, IP filtering and passkeys (inserted into torrent files) already are in wide use. Clients are far more exploitable than trackers as they'll talk to anything that has the same file hashes: the announce URL another client is using doesn't matter to a client. | |
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join:2003-08-14
| The Grokster case the Supreme court is currently hearing may have a lot to do with file sharing networks. Two lower Judges have already ruled them as legal (not necessarily the files, but the networks themself).
A lot of stuff on them is not illegal either.
The only reason these other file sharing torrent sites were shut down was not because of a court ruling, its because out of fear of being sued by the MPAA/RIAA. | |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
1 edit | The way I see it, torrents will be managed in a fashion similar to the peer tracker idea. Because then all you need is a website that says "tracker with hash xxx is good" then you could search for that torrent and go for it.
Under this system, going to a website and reading plaintext does not in any way verify that a user downloaded that file. So if one of these websites was subpeonad, their records would show mountains of visits, but nobody that "has" the file. Also, a system of peers will do lots (but not guarantee it to be unlimited) for anonymity.
The only problem is that these indexes will be in the hands of EVERYBODY with a client, not just those hosting the torrents.
Any ideas along the lines of securing the peer torrent trackers' client. Ruining ones anonymity again simply requires downloading the client and searching. | |
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fluffalump
@198.67.x.x
| Re: It won't be long In the past month or so I have seen sites that are are already set up this way.
There is also one downloadable client (that I know of) that can gather this information on the fly and download the particular .torrent file you are looking for through a series of proxies. Unfortunately this currently does not work with personalized tracker files. The last few builds I have seen also let you run the torrent through a proxy but I have not been able to get this working properly yet. I believe the people that put out the software are eventually looking to turn this into a paid service. | |
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erectorset
@bellsouth.ne | I like anonymousness Public libraries are great.
Or maybe this coffee shor perhaps | |
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Don't visit ISOHunt using IE... Otherwise you'll get a bunch of viruses. | |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: Don't visit ISOHunt using IE... They're hosting the Media-Motor parasite, which is
associated with CDT/180 Solutions. There's a write-up
on their shady install practices just posted by Eric Howes
in the Security Forum. I found this SpywareInfo thread on
Media-Motor, in case anyone visits isoHunt and gets infected:
»forums.spywareinfo.com/lofiversi···736.html
I did not get infected by Media-Motor, nor Cydoor, which
is apparently being bundled with the torrent files and CD
covers from the site. Both the cjt1.net and media-motor
domains are in the MVPS hosts file, which I use. But there
were calls to them in my ad blocker's HTTP headers.
This is all the more reason to avoid them.
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"Kayura or Badamon, whichever you are, you should know that I will never give up this battle. By the will of the Ancient, I shall succeed!" - Shuten (Anubis) from the Ronin Warriors.To RIAA/MPAA - You can sue but you can't catch everyone! | |
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join:2003-07-11
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| Re: Don't visit ISOHunt using IE... We don't allow installers and/or spyware in ads, but I have a hard time tracking from where do they originate. I've received many reports on Media Motor installers, but I've never seen them first hand. If possible, I'll have them removed from the ad networks. But then, if you care enough about spyware, why are you still using IE when there's Firefox and Opera?
As to other comments on which torrent site/search engine is best, isoHunt currently indexes close 160,000 active torrents with 100 TB worth of files inside. I honestly don't see any other site with this amount of resource. Also we've just moved our servers to a new host with upgraded hardware, so it's faster than ever. I'm still tuning the database which have periodic lockup issues, but otherwise it's fast. Faster than Google actually
Also if you are interested, here's my interview with Slyck:
»www.slyck.com/news.php?story=679
Talks about legal issues and using Google for torrents.
As for Torrentbox, I'll do my best in enhancing it with isoHunt features and integrating the 2 communities.
Cheers
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | What about Google Then? Title. | |
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Plexxxy
join:2003-02-02
West Palm Beach, FL
| TorrentSpy ISOHunt blows...TorrentSpy.com is where it's at. We have the largest database of torrents on the planet, with constantly updated stats as well as a comments system; it doesn't get any better. Don't forget to check out our other search engine, IRCSpy.com.
We also have a wonderful forum where users who are new to the scene can gain helpful tips & advice or just hang out and chat. See you there
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kywirelessgu
Premium
join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs: | Re: TorrentSpy ^^^ Ditto | |
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DayHawk
join:2003-07-28
Canada
| Torrentspy blows in reality...whenever I go they are either rebooting, down for maintenance or some other reason is stated for their ineptness. Isohunt has never been down for me, and has what appears to be realtime updating of tracking info...and did I say 5 trackers for most torrents? | |
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Plexxxy
join:2003-02-02
West Palm Beach, FL
| Re: TorrentSpy You should no longer be recieving those rebooting/maintenance messages. In last couple of weeks, the servers were moved to a much more capable datacenter in the Netherlands and lots of code has been rewritten and optimized. That said, performance is better than it's ever been. Enjoy 
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
| I sure wish..... I watch TV and enjoy programing from Great Brittain. One in particular "Time Team" from Channel 4 is played on History International Channel. I really enjoy this show. The problem is they are only showing a few older episodes and are re running them over and over again. Time Team is still in production and I would love to see newer episodes.
If their was a bit-torrent sit with this series I would go there. It would be nice to see some current English programing.
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haze_nme
join:2004-01-13
Tucson, AZ
| Wow Plexy Is your opinion of TorrentSpy at all biased??? I have used both, and to tell you the truth both work fine. I actually find myself using ISOHunt more, but I only use public searches for obscure stuff, and that isn't very often.
Regarding the legit side of things, I submitted my band's demo to various Torrent sites, and indexed it with ISOHunt and TorrentSpy, and it has reached over 3000 people over the internet because of this. That is what I call P2P exposure. If these search engines get ruled illegal, then so should Google IMHO. | |
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Plexxxy
join:2003-02-02
West Palm Beach, FL | Re: Wow Plexy Biased? ...who, me? No idea what you're talking about  | |
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Redmumba
join:2002-12-15
Roanoke, VA | Not Illegal Since when are Torrent Search Engines illegal? In fact, when are TRACKERS illegal? They contain no illegal information, unless the name of the information being transferred is illegal... | |
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Jack Spad
join:2005-02-12
canada
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haze_nme
join:2004-01-13
Tucson, AZ
| Re: The Tracker With the current CVS of Azureus you can use DHT to recieve seed/peer info. By default it will only track via DHT if the original tracker is down, but you can also create DHT-Only torrent files that don't use a central tracker at all. The problem is that some private sites need to have this feature turned off for their torrents in order for the site to remain private. The next official release of Azureus will be very nice for public torrents that share the same hash. There will be an optional flag set in the torrent file that will disable DHT tracking for that particular torrent. I know .torrent files are easily edited, but at least it will take a modification to the torrent to leak private seeds/peers to the DHT network. BitComet has been banned from some private sites because it will share seed/peer info by default even when the original tracker is up, with no way to disable it. It is very interesting to watch the BT Client devs adapt to the changing environment. | |
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@range81-157.btcentra
| Proxy one thing that might solve some of your problems:
To browse the web anonymously we all know that you can use an anonymous web proxy and then all the data is sent via that proxy hiding who you really are.
This isn't suitable for bittorrent because of the large quantities of data involved however if only 1% of data was proxied then any RIAA type organisation would not be able to say with any certanty who actually downloaded the file because there is only a 99% chance that it was that user and 1% chance that it was someone else. This should then make it not certain enough that people can be sued!
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@dsl-w.verizon | Your wrong LOL, 99% chance is beyond both a resonable doubt and a preponderance of the evidence. That would be enough to prosecute anyone.:p | |
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