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join:2003-09-07
sweden | Why? is this really needed w/ broadband connections transfer rates today? | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Why? said by TweakFreak88  :is this really needed w/ broadband connections transfer rates today? It's still faster to load websites through a local cache sometimes. Especially if the site is bogged down. While you are reading a page, the "accelerator" can be downloading other links from the site in the background. | |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
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join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
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| Re: Why? Which can be a waste of disk space and bandwidth. I view a lot of first pages and then leave without going inside. A lot of sites just aren't worth it.
I suspect this won't offer much unless you visit a lot of really popular sites.
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Why? How often are these cached web pages updated? I don't want to be looking at web pages an hour, a day or a week old. Sounds good for sites that rarely update, but most pages I view change on a minute to hourly to daily basis. | |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
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| I uninstalled it after it couldn't retrieve a few pages over the course of the day. It only saved me 34 seconds by its accounting anyway. If you add in those lost pages I'm sure I actually lost some time. Perhaps it qualifies as an idea without a need.
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| Spook_Kat
join:2004-06-26
Westport, MA | Try loading www.boston.com before and www.boston.com after. I noticed a big difference. | |
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Kxpuc
join:2004-05-04
Houston, TX
1 edit | Re: Why? said by Spook_Kat :Try loading www.boston.com before and www.boston.com after. I noticed a big difference. yea i did and the accelerator save'd me .3 seconds (it said but it looked like it took longer) woot how useful...
also it stops alot of sites from loading so you have to put them in the ignore list to have them even show up | |
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Guest231
@adelphia.net | Googles great What's there to say? Googles good. I just hope they stay this way. | |
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Armada1
Heat Miser
join:2001-05-16
Chicago, IL
| I don't get it. What can be faster than immediately? The only delays I notice on various dsl and cable lines is from poorly desinged webpages, such as a delay in drawing the whole page because of table encapsulation or other lousy programing errors. Accelerators won't fix that.
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Mustard Tongue
@verizon.net | Re: I don't get it. I'm with that guy. Even if a website is bogged down, you can always view the cached version from yahoo and google search engines. | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY | Re: I don't get it. two words... 'targeted advertising'
This has to tie in with their advertising program somehow.
I'm sure this allows them to aggregate information somehow and mine that to create algorithms to better serve ads. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Re: I don't get it. said by wwdubbia :two words... 'targeted advertising' This has to tie in with their advertising program somehow. I'm sure this allows them to aggregate information somehow and mine that to create algorithms to better serve ads. Obviously, the benefit for Google is data mining and determining more popular destinations on the web. Still, it is a service for some that has slow connections. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | How many people look for cached pages just because the real one is loading slowly? This web accelerator thing will end up being useful to people for lots of reasons. | |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA | There's always a little bit faster. No an accelerator won't fix poor page design, but no page is immediate. There is always a little delay. This is to help reduce that delay. That's all. | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
| Re: I don't get it.
Ah, yes. The never ending quest for instant gratification. "I dont want to wait for even one second! I want it NOW! I'll use any amount of programs I have to to get that not even noticeable .1 second faster".
This is just data mining, obviously, since it goes through google. Google knows that it's users are mostly the clueless-who will, of course, sign up for "web accellerator-Forgive me, but I dont choose to help any of these companies, or, have their-essentially-spyware running on my computer. Any bets that once it is running, you your requests HAVE to go through Google only?
But then, that's just me. I dont mind waiting a second or two for a page to load. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: I don't get it. said by Fatal Vector:
This is just data mining, obviously, since it goes through google. What's wrong with data mining as long as it's disclosed that they're doing it?
There is some benefit to some end users. If your ISP has a bad route to a group of sites that you browse often it'll speed up the page load due to the fact that, because of their presence, you're not likely to have a bad connection to google.
I and I'm sure many others have done this before using anonymous proxies, not to gain anonymity, but to get to a site that you know is up but for some reason you can't get a route to.
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dcsos
@avec-ubr14.nyr- | Re: I don't quite understand this: According to Google's Marissa Mayer, this is the first product that she knows of that's built and optimized for broadband web users
Its also maybe the first step to the GOOGLE BROWSER in the works? | |
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MexiCubAZ
join:2000-06-09
Phoenix, AZ
clubs: | The Google Web Accelerator is spyware... I would never use this as it will track every site I visit. As others have said, eventually they will better target you with ads based on the sites you visit. I can live with site delays. | |
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FishNET
join:2004-07-01
Haddonfield, NJ | :C I couldnt get it to work with Opera, when I set my proxy to 127.0.0.1:9100 or whatever, it all just timed out  | |
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| nauticax
join:2001-02-27
Germantown, MD
| Re: :C said by FishNET :I couldnt get it to work with Opera, when I set my proxy to 127.0.0.1:9100 or whatever, it all just timed out Use Automatic Configuration Script and set it to
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pigglywiggly
join:2003-01-29
Corning, NY
| Google spyware? While I suppose it's obvious to some, and discoverable to those who read the privacy policy, Google isn't making it too obvious that this is their way of monitoring all your activity. I wonder if the pages delivered through their servers will have add-on Google advertising? That could turn into a copyright problem real fast with the owners of the affected sites. If Google isn't tacking on ads after the fact, I'm not quite sure what they get out of this service... which is creepy, because they surely are aiming to get something out of it.
And as others have asked, why do I need a page accelerator on a broadband connection? | |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
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| Re: Google spyware? You said it yourself, they are selling the aggregate data.
I don't think they'd cut their own throats by inserting ads. I just hope it doesn't impact on current AdSense ads.
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | In Other Words People who are paying a premium to their dial up ISP for this feature can now get it free from Google and save a few bucks every month. Nice.
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
| Think of the possibilities Just imagine, going to google image search, typing in "hot teen cheerleaders", and having all the results cached locally!
Why, this could have brought down the Berlin wall 10 years earlier, stopped mad cow disease, and outed Tony Blair by now.
Thank you Google, thank you for making the world safe for democracy once again.
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FishNET
join:2004-07-01
Haddonfield, NJ
| WTF? OK, so I get it working....
...I dont think it does ANYTHING...
Load Time for 81 Pages
Without Google Web Accelerator: 2.1 mins
With Google Web Accelerator: 2.1 mins
Total Time Saved: 0.0 seconds
I tried it set to dialup, dsl, AND T1, and none made a difference... maybe someone with 56k can have better luck? To me it just seemed like requests took longer... Plus I dont like things that cache stuff on my drive, I like to make the sites send me all the data possible, instead of wasting drive on it. | |
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WhyADuck
Premium
join:2003-03-05
| Re: WTF? said by FishNET :OK, so I get it working.... ...I dont think it does ANYTHING... Load Time for 81 Pages Without Google Web Accelerator: 2.1 mins With Google Web Accelerator: 2.1 mins Total Time Saved: 0.0 seconds I tried it set to dialup, dsl, AND T1, and none made a difference... maybe someone with 56k can have better luck? To me it just seemed like requests took longer... Plus I dont like things that cache stuff on my drive, I like to make the sites send me all the data possible, instead of wasting drive on it. I had a similar experience - it didn't seem to save me any time AT ALL (this was using FireFox 1.0.3). | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
| Re: WTF? Of course it takes longer, since the request is routed to Google FIRST, then to the page, which responds through Google. DOH!! Or, maybe Google just sends you whatever page they have cached...Looks like a real winner in the stealth spyware competition to me... | |
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA | This Thing is awesome!!! This thing is really awesome and for the reason that some people dont realize yet but I think soon may!!
Think about why this might be nice for some people?
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: This Thing is awesome!!! Ok since no one has bit...for those of you that work at places that use proxy products for example such as Websense to filter the site's that user's can reach...this does TOTALLY bypass the restrictions of the proxy! Can you say porn at work? and it looks like you just look at google alot!! Anyone else care to test this...I have and it works ggggrrreeeeaaattt!!! | |
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| Van2001ko
join:2004-04-05
Philadelphia, PA
| Well for a broadband user who really needs a web acceralar?
The Google Webaccelaration has a few issues when it concerns in loading websites. Some of the links are kinda messed up esp those using CSS style codes for the links not to be underline. The webaccelarator renders the website with some of the links underlined.. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Seems to Me.... Google might want to concentrate their brainpower on a few things, instead of cow-towing to investors and spreading themselves so thin, they begin to resemble the limb-twitching schizophrenia that became AOL.
But that's just me. | |
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| Talis
join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX
| Re: Seems to Me.... said by Karl Bode : ... which promises to dramatically increase browsing time for broadband users ... ... noticing a significant page-load speed increase. Hmm. Aren't these two statements conflicting? | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Seems to Me.... Fixed, thanks. Should have read "increase browsing speed" | |
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Premium
join:2002-07-13
King Ferry, NY
| said by Talis :said by Karl Bode : ... which promises to dramatically increase browsing time for broadband users ... ... noticing a significant page-load speed increase. Hmm. Aren't these two statements conflicting? Although clearly Karl meant "browsing speed", it's not necessarily conflicting. You might spend more time browsing if your pages loaded faster (and your frustration level was lower). | |
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| VikingStorm
join:2002-06-25
Omaha, NE
| Actually, the reason Google has been so successful is that they don't always concentrate brainpower. Why else do they allow and encourage all their employees to have pet projects for a portion of the work day? This sounds like a pet project to me. Look at Microsoft, they don't exactly spread themselves thin. How did investors get into this? Google probably would have released it even if they were still private. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| Re: Seems to Me.... I doubt that. Each time they release one of these betas, the media jumps all over it getting their name in lights and pleasing investors (usually because of an associated stock jump).
It's one of the problems with going public, is your business becomes pleasing shareholders, not always adhering to a quality core concept (being the best search engine).
I like the integration of Mozilla and Google, with a Google toolbar, etc. Some of this other stuff seems like PR fodder and unecessary clutter, though. | |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
1 edit |  Local caching is so 90's
I set my cache in IE as low as it will go, Opera and Firefox I set to 0!
What's next? Is Google going to write an operating system that finally breaks the 640K barrier? | |
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Ardan
join:2003-09-29
Rosemount, MN
| big increases Well, I noticed the biggest increase on deviantart. I browse it a lot and the 'minutes saved' portion went up by a minute each time I loaded a site:o. I cleared my browser cache and disabled it and it definitely sped up the time, especially the response time with its proxy. I disabled it at the time and, while the site loaded fast (3Mbps connection thats usually around 2900-2985Kbps), it was very slow to respond to my requests (seems to happen for deviantart at night for me sometimes....only that site too). So thats nice .
I don't set my cache to 0kb in Firefox because I don't see it has a waste of space with 160GB of space total :P. | |
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Mustard Tongue
@verizon.net | Re: big increases So when is Giregox coming out?
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woody7
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Torrance, CA |  hmmmm.....
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Knapp
Premium
join:2004-02-14
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: hmmmm..... I wouldn't go as far as to say its useless. The only instance I can think of this being good for (that is if it works and w/o bugs) is for those people who think a page should show up instantly.
Ex. I install DSL where I work. Yesterday I did an install and the lady was demonstrating to me how when she clicks a link it takes a second to load. I just starred blankly at the screen trying to find words to explain. She thought it was going to be fast! why isn't it fast! (as she double clicks the link several times)
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Knapp
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join:2004-02-14
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: hmmmm..... BTW, has google hired new management?...it seems like their pushing alot of stuff now and I even see advertisements for their adsense all over the place. | |
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cyberman2
join:2004-03-09
Birmingham, AL
| I think we ALREADY HAVE something like this! Is it just my imagination, or do the words, "Speedguide.net broadband tweaks" mean anything to you? Just a thought! Laters! 
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Anti_Cyrix
Premium
join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA | Web Accelerator? Sounds like something AOL, NetZero, and Netscape would say to attract computer illiterate people.
Anyway, I don't see a need to load web pages a millisecond faster, but that's just me. | |
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Mr Fuji
@69.156.x.x
| Re Maybe im simply too paranoid about the internet these days but each time that i hear the words *web accelerator* and *download accelerator* or something similar, the first thing that come to my mind : bundled , ads , spywares , crap , junk and useless
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| works nicely Load Time for 797 Pages
Without Google Web Accelerator: 56.2 mins
With Google Web Accelerator: 34.1 mins
Total Time Saved: 22.1 mins
program works very nicely I noticed quite a few sites loading faster than usual and it reloads a page if it has been updated. | |
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jp10558
@136.183.x.x
| Not worth the privacy Invasion Well, I do have a problem with letting *yet another* party track everywhere I go. Also, as far as I can tell, gzip is already done by many sites - and even if not, text files at 50k or less are hardly what is bogging down broadband (1Mdown or more).
As to caching and prefetching, you can do that yourself without the invasion of privacy with something like Allegrosurf.
I also see that this sometimes get's rid of the ad blockers people are using. Well, guess what, allegrosurf chained through proxomitron has to be equivelent to google with ads.
Anyway, using Allegrosurf I tend to save 10%-20% downloads (cache hits) even with Opera 8's agressive caching. | |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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| Re: Not worth the privacy Invasion Same, pages loaded much slower for me, even though it said I was saving time. As soon as I disabled it pages started flying again. | |
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join:2003-05-14
Quincy, MA
| Re: Not worth the privacy Invasion Well, one way to get around with the privacy/spyware problem is use one browser, standard with no google web accelerator for your banking/secure/personal browsing and another browswer with google web accelerator for your regular browsing? Will that work? especially for those who on slow/or problem visiting a particular website? | |
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