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Arlington, VA | Re: Such a waste of time Where have you been for the past, oh, say 120 years? | |
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| Re: Such a waste of time I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services. | |
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| Re: Such a waste of time said by justncredible:
I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
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Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
Please cite your resources for "the majority of people". I'd like to see national, non-push, polls or other objective measures to back your assertion. We've done polls in our community and due to the bad performance of the incumbents, we've found the vast majority support muni-efforts to increase telecommunications efforts. We are now working on a statistically valid survey to check out our polls which were taken randomly at street fairs, civic meetings, etc. Note, at the street fairs it was random, whoever walked by - so there was no cherry picking of respondants. I've provided the references for my information - provide yours.
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| Re: Such a waste of time bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.
»www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.html
At the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions. I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate. Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal. There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense. | |
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| Re: Such a waste of time said by justncredible:
bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.
Moving to the insults now. And just what are your qualifications again? How many polls have you overseen?
said by justncredible:» www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.htmlAt the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions. Specious generalization.
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I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate.
Another uncalled for insult.
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Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal.
Interesting comparison. More reflective of you than others.
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There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense.
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| Re: Such a waste of time Still no links to your data???
I do agree "handouts" should not happen, but wait, what handouts, please show a link to a government handout. Do not try to convince me that tax breaks are handouts, they are not. The tax breaks Bush has made are effecting everyone, business has never been better. People have more money and new businesses are popping up like never before. The deficit is being paid down, 3 years ahead of the plan. Fiber is being laid, new technologies are coming fast to offer real free market competition. Ask why we do not have fiber already??? Under Clinton businesses were overtaxed and the money sent to the UN or france for UN votes. 8 years of pure destruction of this countries economy and it has taken a great leader such as Bush 5 years to even offer a glimmer of hope. You would throw away that hope for a pipe-dream of muni ran internet. Sacrifice the working mans money to support your wants, not the wants or needs of most people. So if I come off as insulting to you, fine, I see you as a sick person. Steal money from everyone to allow only a few to benefit. It is wrong to the core. Where I work most of the workers have just gotten .50 to 1.00$ raises, better believe we all want lower taxes on businesses, it is just common sense that says it is good for everyone. You commies lose we win! | |
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2 edits | Re: Such a waste of time Gosh. I'll pretend to be surprised you're trying to weasel out on the corporate welfare issue and turn it into some froth-mouthed partisan game... | |
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| Re: Such a waste of time well gee, i will duck the real issues.
since when is tax breaks corporate welfare? The same tax breaks that I see going to give employees big raises, those employees spend that money generating sales taxes, so what you call corporate welfare is the working mans paycheck. Tax breaks are not government handouts of money. Your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help...... | |
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| Re: Such a waste of time When you're done being predictably cliche, entertain me with your rationale at deriving "your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help" from my "We should stop the handouts to multi-billion dollar corporations". You've obviously shot your wad on the subject since all you're bringing to the table at this point are insults, insinuations, and exaggerations. Good job. | |
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| It's all spin...if it were a Democrat, the liberal response would be "See how the democrats actively seek to reduce government programs! To protect private industry, to not waste tax payers money". Did anybody notice that the exclusion if only for "municipalities"? Any citizen, business person, investor etc. is welcome to start their own "company" and provide the services. Bla bla bla. | |
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Seattle, WA | Don't you think the individual communities should get to decide if it's a waste of THEIR money or not?! | |
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Marietta, GA
| said by Brianv5  :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Such a waste of time said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate.
And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets.
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| Re: Such a waste of time said by nixen :said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate. And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets. -tom When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists?
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Such a waste of time said by Ga Dawg :said by nixen :said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate. And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets. -tom When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists? Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things. You said that "it is the legislatures job to make laws". You did not qualify it to say that it was their job to make good laws or laws that were good for the electorate. You simply left it at "just make laws". That implies that, in your view, by simply causing paper with rules and regulations on them to be printed, they have properly discharged their duties.
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| Ok, I am going to stab this one..
Let me start with, I HATE LOBYISTS!!
But, a reality check... aren't lobyists tax payors too? Yes they represent businesses as well, but aren't the people that have interest in business ALSO tax payors AND electorate too?
You guys do realize that lobyists ARE part of the process don't you? Not all lobyists pay off politicians. A Lobyist is a mouth piece for a "group of people" and that group can also be an citizen group. The lobyist is just the mouth piece sent to congress to get the voice heard.
Limiting the scope on who can and can't say what to whom is actually NOT the way out founding fathers intended our government to run. If you want the common good for all people represented at all time, then may I suggest communism?
EVERYONE CAN HAVE THIER VOICE HEARD and be represented... FORM A GROUP and organize... sit back as one voice and fall into the croud of too many to be heard.
I DO have a question, do you guys really think this will pass? I am not going to give this one a second wink. I think it's nothing more than a law maker trying to get some advertising and air time for a popularity or image boost.
For the record, didn't cable tv get it start by a small group forming their own delivery system? Yup!
So, why would government try to ban the same thing in round two? Also, ban community WiFi? Give me a break.. this piece of legislation is nothing more than "if you aren't a big guy, don't try to start your own ISP because we say no. It will never make it past a judge as legal anyway.
Ask youreslf, where are these Community WiFi people supposed to get their connection to the internet from anyway? AND if they do, and offer a service, aren't they then a business, ie: competition?
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by Ga Dawg :It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. In a perfect world you may be correct. In this world, the legislature's jobs are to get reelected. It makes sense that they use their influence to help those who help them. | |
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guitarzan
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1 edit | said by Ga Dawg :said by Brianv5 :I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws! It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food. Then why was Clinton and now Bush,up on their soapboxes
during national televised speaches.Speaking of creating new jobs for America,American's if it's NOT their job? Some how that just does not jive,now with what your saying. | |
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Suwanee, GA | Re: Such a waste of time Would someone with some actual knowledge enlighten me!
I didn't realize that Clinton and Bush function(ed) in the Legislative Branch. | |
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cbrigante2
Cubs 20??
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| Have you voice heard! Thanks for the link. I encourage everyone who is opposed to this to visit this link and put a quick note of opposition in there for this bill. It only takes 2 minutes, and with enough comments, who knows?
Speak out against HR2726.
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New York, NY
| Re: Have you voice heard! Agree!!! I sent this:
I'm writing about proposed legislation H.R. 2726, ironically entitled the "Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act of 2005".
This bill will actually provide an exclusive monopolistic arena for telephone and cable companies while locking out cities from the opportunity to bootstrap themselves with a viable Internet service. This is especially true for rural and smaller communities that the telco/cable companies find econonmically unattractive. The is no good reason to legislate that a community can't help itself out! | |
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| Re: Have you voice heard! Dear Congressman Pete Sessions,
I have an idea for other legislation acts which are right along your way of thinking:
1. Preserving Innovation In Transportation Act of 2005.
Nobody living within 2 mile radius of a bus stop, train station or other public transportation outlet should own or use a personal transportation device such as a car, truck or motorcycle.
2. Preserving Innovation in Nutrition Act of 2005.
Nobody living within 2 mile radius of a restaurant should be allowed to cook or otherwise prepare their own meals.
If HR2726 becomes law I can come up with many more bills similar to the above, you'll have your hands full changing the face of our communities and the nation. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Have you voice heard! Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen.
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Eat my shorts
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Savannah, GA
| Re: Have you voice heard! said by nixen :Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen. Thanks for pointing that out. This proves that once in office these people turn into humorless bastards.  | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Have you voice heard! Nah, I don't think they wait that long to become humorless.
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guitarzan
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| said by click_310 :said by nixen :Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen. Thanks for pointing that out. This proves that once in office these people turn into humorless bastards. Shhh no need to put ideas on the table for them  | |
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| You got it wrong with legislation no.1 (though you got it right with no. 2). Here is the correction:
1. Preserving Innovation in Transportation Act of 2005.
Public transportation cannot have a bus stop, train station or other public transportation outlet within 2 mile radius of any home having a private transportation (car/SUV/truck/bicycle). Those areas which don't have a private transportation (including large parts of Nevada and Utah deserts) are considered 'market failure' and allowed to have public transportation. | |
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Suwanee, GA
| To be consistent with his line of thinking you must use "municipalities" not nobody/anybody etc. the bill does not exclude citizens, businesses, investors. In being consistent with the bill, YOU CAN do exactly what you're proposing you couldn't with your variants of the bill. | |
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cdru
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| Well that would explain... ...why things haven't gotten passed at the state level. Why screw the consumer at the state level when you can screw the nation for just a few dollars more.
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vboyer
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Winter Park, FL | PITA of 2005? Anyone else find it funny that the acronym for Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act of 2005 is PITA?
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| Re: PITA of 2005? said by vboyer :Anyone else find it funny that the acronym for Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act of 2005 is PITA? Actually I don't find it as amusing as I find it Orwellian just like everything else the feds name PR-friendly sounding laws aimed at screwing over our jobs, our health, our economy and the environment.
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Glen Head, NY | It just proves he's been bought and paid for. | |
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
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Englewood, CO
| Re: It just proves Ah, Pete, Pete... C’mon – get on the stick and raise some REAL money! When you were a telco exec, your bonus was way more than the paltry $29,750 that SBC, Verizon and Sprint gave you in 2004! SBC spent $1.57 million in 2004 for congressional races ONLY – so you should have gotten more out of them!
N.B. I love the names the RBOC PACs hide behind – things like “SBC Employee Political Action Committee”; Verizon’s “Good Government Club” et al. Jeeeeez…
Why do fat chance and slim chance mean the same thing? | |
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join:2000-08-16 | Re: It just proves You must be forgetting his "blind" investment portfolio growth being bolstered by stock holdings in the industry he performs his monkey dance for. | |
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reub2000
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Evanston, IL
| Great... quote:
which a corporation or other private entity that is not affiliated with any State or local government is offering a substantially similar service.
All they have to do is offer half-assed service to a few residents, and then the localgoverment can't offer any services. | |
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ossito16
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| we need fear the only reason the pete is doing this crap is because there is no fear. if crooked politicians had to fear some group out there fighting for the people things would be different. there is a reason we have the right to bear arms, we just take advantage of it. the revolution will be televised commercial free. | |
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b10010011
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA | Why not make it part of the Patriot Act? Simple, by making it a matter of national security (terrorists could be using muni-wireless) but of course they could use ANY internet access, but lets not cloud the FUD with any form of truth. | |
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Pleasant Grove, UT
| CALL REP. SESSIONS NOW Stop bitching here -- you're preaching to the choir.
Call Rep. Sessions now and tell him how you feel.
Rep. Sessions is at (202) 225-2231 or (972) 392-0505
When you call, ask to speak with his Telecom Legislative Assistant, Bobby Hillert, who's bio is below:
Bobby Hillert
Senior Legislative Assistant
Bobby is a native of Dallas, Texas and graduated from SMU with a Bachelor of Arts in History and Economics. He has helped Congressman Sessions with his campaign since November 1999. Bobby handles: healthcare, telecommunications/FCC, and social security issues. | |
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Land O Lakes, FL
| Re: CALL REP. SESSIONS NOW That's real helpful, albeit a waste of time for those who are not part of Rep Sessions constituency.
I have on a couple of occasions tried to communicate my thoughts to congressional members, the response has always been the same. I am politely told they will only respond to their own constituents. | |
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join:1999-11-21
New York, NY
| I just spoke with him. Nice guy.
But, he's trying to say the proposed legislation "only" stops muni deployments where an incumbent already provides service.
I mentioned Cerritos, CA which did their own Internet service deployment b/c the incumbent sucks. I also mentioned why limit/shackle a community from banding together to come up with their own better solution.
Call him too!!! Let him know you see the world with a vision of growth and opportunity not limited by monoplies! | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: CALL REP. SESSIONS NOW I think you will find this is an intrusion on States Rights! Even though "incumbants" do have national reach, each system is still a seperate opering unit in each state.
ie: Comcast in Minnesota is called Comcast Cable of St. Paul... Charter in Wisconsin is Chartern Comunications of Wisconsin. TWC in the twin cities? I think it's Twin Cities Cable group of Minnesota.. Anyway, you get my point.
To be a service provider in each state, the company has to get permission from that local boundry area, NOT just the Feds in general.
Again, I think it's an intrusion on states rights and I think you will find the states wind up fighting the feds on this one.
The politician is REALLY saying "hey Comunications companies, I am on your side.. elections are coming up and my checking account is available for deposits..."
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Stay In It
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Verbena, AL
| Waco? "Congressman Sessions was born on March 22, 1955 and grew up in Waco, Texas."
Hmmm...you don't supose this goob's just a surviving member of that David Koresh fiasco do you?  | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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Corona, CA
3 edits | Why is it that if I... gave money to a politician in exchange for a favor it's a bribe and I go to jail but when a telecom or union does it it's a contribution?
I'm Conservative 'n' all but if this doesn't scream the need for gov't funded campaign finance and/or bans on non-registered-voter contributions I dunno what does.
Only when special interest groups and corporations are removed COMPLETELY from the equation will corrupt hacks like Sessions respond to his actual constituency.
Being as corporations, unions and other special interests can't vote they have ZERO business influencing elections and politicians with their bribes and corruption.
Meanwhile old Sessions ought to read the damn Constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment which states simply,
said by 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Last time I checked, Muni-bans (along with 99% of the BS the Congress does) was not a power delegated to the Federal Gov't by the Constitution.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Why not call it... The Baby Seal Killer Act of 2005, it's just as accurate a title.
Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act...my ass...
What we need is a Truth in Act Titles Act 2005.
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voyager6868
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Lynnwood, WA | Sounds good to me I think it's a great idea. The more the US goes downhill with silly laws like this, the better it is for the rest of us | |
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HardwareGeek
join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| grr Muni-Wifi or broadband is a bad idea. You guys say the government should spend more money on terrorism well I say Cities should spend more money on Crime Prevention. Muni-Wifi and Broadband will just bring the ACLU a knocking the Parents against Porn knocking with lawsuits that will bankrupt a city just in defending against them.
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1 edit | Re: grr said by HardwareGeek :Muni-Wifi or broadband is a bad idea. I disagree,there.What is a bad idea is passing a law to ban Muni-Wifi.Let those who click take their pick. said by HardwareGeek :You guys say the government should spend more money on terrorism well I say Cities should spend more money on Crime Prevention. I've yet to see on BBR where any member called for an increase in spending in the Federal budget.WTF? Is it with increasing spending on a state level for crime prevention?Here's a dirty little secret.Crime CAN'T be prevented.Since your in New York.Do you honestly think crime there is preventable? At what cost.? Increase the force to what size? said by HardwareGeek :Muni-Wifi and Broadband will just bring the ACLU a knocking the Parents against Porn knocking with lawsuits that will bankrupt a city just in defending against them. So in addition to to the net being monitored by Federal agents.The ACLU will also be monitoring the web??? The Parents against Porn,however well intentioned,are simply misguiding there efforts by bringing suit againt a muni run wifi.Unless there aim is just to get $$$$.The greatest suggestion that one could make in that senario.GO AFTER THE SITE that put up that material.Is that not how it works with kiddie porn? | |
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
| The GOP! Man, it's a damn good thing the GOP is looking out for the average American by keeping "big government" out of our lives.
It's a good thing they're looking out for state's rights too, otherwise, you'd end up with some hippy-tree-hugger liberal communist terrorist passing laws on the federal level that screw good honest republican loyalty-oath signing neoconservative fundamentalist christian zealots out of their god-given right to wait 20-30 years for wholesome, privately funded corporate monopoly broadband that offers a fraction of the bandwidth that these heathen foriegn countries give their citizens at several times the price most other countries charge.
Now, back to Robin Meade's CNN Headline News morning brainmelt.
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| Done! Well, I put in my $0.02 worth. As if they actually care about us. I'm really tired of seeing nearly every day we are being sold out to big business.
Can someone even tell me a recent example where this isn't the case? Big Banks, Big telecom and Big oil.
Mark my words. When the freed bandwidth from digital TV migration goes on sale, all will go to big business and none left for small wireless providers upstarts. I imagine they will even try to strangle WiMax et.al that can provide a viable 3rd party provider.
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HardwareGeek
join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Done! Big Business employs thousands Small Business Employees 1 or 2.
We just need to moderate Big Business and with what Bush did to Enron, Tyco, MCI and others we shouldn't have to worry too much. But still worry a bit.
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
| Re: Done! said by HardwareGeek : with what Bush did to Enron, Tyco, MCI Bush did...
BUSH did???
Did Bush "do" that to them before or after Al Gore invented the internet?
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navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | * SIGH * I am embarrassed that he is my Representative.
He is about to get a call from a very pissed off constituent! | |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | This shouldn't be a Federal issue I'm not really a fan of muni broadband, but it's certainly not a Federal issue. Come on, Pete, you're supposed to be a Republican and believe in Federalism and that sort of thing. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| How about... I dont care for muni, I think its a waste of money, unless the townpeople are willing to pay for it. If they pass this they should force, the Telcos to give everyone DSL by 2010, and Fiber by 2020. But to be fair force the Cablecos to give cable to everyone. The Cablecos also should be classified as Phone Companies Also, they provide "Digital Phone", and some phone service like that therefore they're phone companies. Im sure this would be the right thing to do, and is a good idea, but I'm not a congressmen so theres nothing I can do. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: How about... Fireteam... The cableco's that provide DIGITAL phone, not voip, ARE regulated by the State PUCs. Here in the Twin Cities, the DIGITAL PHONE flavor of product IS under PUC regulation because it's a classic switched system. VoIP, on the other hand, is NOT a phone service and I SERIOUSLY see an issue with classigying it as phone service UNTIL it has the same reliability of regular phone.
Since the delivery method os VoIP requires another product that is NOT regualted at this time, there can be NO quality or uptime guarantees of VoIP services.. yet another reason why those people that cry that they can't get 911 service got what they deserved. (And by that I mean.. so you got 911 service, if and when you broadband goes out for what ever reason and you can't make ANY calls, what's the use of forcing 911 in the first place)
Again, VoIP is NOT phone service and has a long way to go until it is. To that? The states can also control that at the PUC level. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | It has a dial tone and can call people, That to me is classified as a phone. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: How about... said by FTCXtreme :It has a dial tone and can call people, That to me is classified as a phone. And there is the problem. This is why we as a people take a good look and try to "organize" and "define" things with thought and not half baked notions. A "phone" is a devise you use to place a call.. Telephone "Service" which is actually what's at point here, is NOT voip. Telephone service, as defined by the government (where it really matters in all intent and purpose) is NOT VoIP. If it were, it would have been classified as such already. It has been ruled as an information service, why? Because it's nothing more than an application that runs on the internet.
Since my cell phone has no dial tone, I guess I shuold not call it a phone?
I knwo what you mean and I get it.. however, it's not just what it means to you which is the real point. "Telephone, as we know it, is "expected" to function in a certain way. Just because some company came up with a piece of software and a few servers and found a way to make a call travel over the internet doesn't mean it's a phone... For that matter, if I can use my computer, speakers, and microphone to place a "call" - is that phone service too? I have vonage - uses a "phone" to place a call, however, with that SAME vonage service, I CAN use my computer with out the "phone" to place a call too. Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, until it is able to function on it's own power, get tied to a physical address, have a true functioning 911 service, and a regulated QoS expectation, it's NOT phone service.
(For the record - the dial tone, in voip, is there for familiarity. It really serves no purpose. In fact, the dial tone you hear comes from your TAD, not the network.) | |
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stretch1971
join:2002-03-25
Raleigh, NC |  community broadband bans
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