  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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2005-Jun-8 1:24 pm
Yes!Another thing we can blame on George W. Bush!
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2005-Jun-8 1:39 pm
No!Bill Clinton too. He signed the Telecom Act of 1996, but did not enforce it. At least one can claim Bush was occupied with something important, Clinton was not. | |
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Re: No!said by vdiv:Bill Clinton too. He signed the Telecom Act of 1996, but did not enforce it. At least one can claim Bush was occupied with something important, Clinton was not. Well i think we can all agree that he was busy with something... but it handled a lot less cloths  | |
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said by vdiv:Bill Clinton too. He signed the Telecom Act of 1996, but did not enforce it. If I remember correctly the e-boom took place under Clinton... At least one can claim Bush was occupied with something important, Clinton was not.
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Re: No!What war? Afganistan?
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2005-Jun-8 3:45 pm
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If I remember correctly the e-boom took place under Clinton...
If I recall, decisions take effect years after they have been made and the President has no direct control over the ecomony. Meaning that the economy during the Clinton administration was the indirect result of decisions made during the Reagan and Bush Senior administrations. The economy during the end of the Clinton Administration and up until about two years ago was the indirect result of the decisions during the Clinton Administration. It would have lasted longer if President Bush hadn't adopted fast acting indirect economic policies such as tax cuts. Any decent economist will confirm that. | |
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2005-Jun-8 3:57 pm
Riiiiiight. . .I like how you qualified your statement: "any decent economist will confirm that". So without even making another statement you've effectively disqualified any economist who doesn't confirm your opinion (and yes, it's your--and probably Rush Limbaugh's--opinion) even if they are competent economists.
Now, stop cluttering the forum, go back to your little shrine of Terry Schiavo, and hit the scan button on your radio so you can find your next Liddy, Limbaugh, [insert GOP Nazi propagandist name here] brainwashing session.
Never fails to amaze me how you morons manage to find ways pin everything bad on Dems. Next up, Liberals cause cancer and Republicans sh!t puppies and rainbows. | |
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Re: Riiiiiight. . .said by Unbelievable:
I like how you qualified your statement: "any decent economist will confirm that". Even uber-liberal Keys would likely agree that, in the way US government works, the president's decisions have little active control over the economy; the effects on the economy of the a presidents spending based decisions are almost entirely based on luck. It would be like calling a blind man who randomly fires a shotgun into the air and eventually happens to hit a duck a marksman. And if you don't know who Keys is as relates to economics you should probably just sit down and shut up. --
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Re: Riiiiiight. . .Bingo. The US economy is not a command one where central authority regulates what is produced and what shall be disbursed.
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Re: Riiiiiight. . .said by bogey7806:Blaiming broadband penetration on Bush is like blaming F. Duane Ackerman for my phone jacks being tan instead of white. Policies that the administration make does effect how the broadband market develops. The president holds the policy making power which is very important and the blame is administration is not choosing pro-consumer, pro-competition more open markets. The stance that Bush administration and FCC has taken is to attempt to return the market to ILECs and justify the monopolistic behavior while simulatenously removing any regulation on these entities. It just makes it harder for competition to root and provide ample opportunities for consumers. etc. | |
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I like to think of myself as a decent economist. Your venomous rhetoric aside, it's assured that any economist worth his or her salt would say that the "economy" doesn't just happen over night. One school even goes as far as saying 50 or 100 years is the proper time frame to really see the effect of a policy.
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said by kamm:If I remember correctly the e-boom took place under Clinton... You mean that e-boom that was based on promises and dreams and came crashing down when it was realized that promises and dreams don't pay the bills. This BTW had little to nothing to do with the whoever was in the office at the time. --
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said by vdiv:Bill Clinton too. He signed the Telecom Act of 1996, but did not enforce it. At least one can claim Bush was occupied with something important, Clinton was not. Under Bush administration, the FCC have moved towards dismantling the Telecom Act of 1996, which was considered nuisance for ILECs. The policy was not to enhance connectivity of citizens. It was a policy to bolster the profits of these mega companies. | |
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Re: No!Yes, of course, of course. Bush's strategy was to alienate as many people as possible to get reelected. | |
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Re: No!said by LegoPower77:Yes, of course, of course. Bush's strategy was to alienate as many people as possible to get reelected. Well, a lot of people are ignorant for these sort of things. For them, there were enough of distraction offered in other fronts, these fall to the back of the queue even if they have noticed. A typical page from polical play books. Still, it does not change what has happened. Anyone following FCC actions knows what I'm telling is true. | |
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Yet another useless, stupid stat...Europe has a hell of a lot more people than the US.
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...Not only that, but it's population density that is the real difference. . . of course South Korea or say, Hong Kong can have hardcore bandwidth. | |
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by LegoPower77:Not only that, but it's population density that is the real difference. . . of course South Korea or say, Hong Kong can have hardcore bandwidth. I agree 100%. I don't understand why people care about such statistics... Im more concerned with things like trade deficits, GDP, etc... --
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...... and the unPatriotic Act  | |
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that is true, but then why don't cities like New York, Chicago etc have connections with speeds like South Korea etc has? We have densly populated areas here as well, but we still don't even get close to other nations. | |
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even though we have cities like ny and chicago the gov' in all there wisdom gave cable and phone companies virtual monopolies. So basically none of these companies give a damn to spur on new techology and expanding until they start loosing subs. I.E. the bells right now doing there fiber deployment. this would never of happened if cable wasn't stelling subs from them left and right. | |
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...You get that in South Korea as well plus higher broadband speeds.
Or are you the kind of guy that thinks every where outside the US has a low standard of work, no fridges, iffy power, water and no cars?
I bet you think the US has a higher standard of education then Cuba as well.... | |
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by MalakoPlus:You get that in South Korea as well plus higher broadband speeds. Or are you the kind of guy that thinks every where outside the US has a low standard of work, no fridges, iffy power, water and no cars? I bet you think the US has a higher standard of education then Cuba as well.... And did I mention I have a nicely sized yard and a house that wouldn't be possible (affordable) if we had really high population density. And what would make you think I think everything outside the US has low standards? Did I say that? What I said was that the important things are fine and my broadband is fine. I could care less about fiber. And WTF does Cuba have to do with it? Are you the kind of guy who thinks every country is better than the US??? Just thought I'd throw that in. --
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said by rideboarder:that is true, but then why don't cities like New York, Chicago etc have connections with speeds like South Korea etc has? We have densly populated areas here as well, but we still don't even get close to other nations. The Question I have for you is this: on a large scale what difference does it make? Seriously what positive benefit will giving people the kind of bandwidth they have in SC have...short of the ability to say we have higher speeds. --
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by Combat Chuck:said by rideboarder:that is true, but then why don't cities like New York, Chicago etc have connections with speeds like South Korea etc has? We have densly populated areas here as well, but we still don't even get close to other nations. The Question I have for you is this: on a large scale what difference does it make? Seriously what positive benefit will giving people the kind of bandwidth they have in SC have...short of the ability to say we have higher speeds. As several studies already pointed out, better broadband penetration trnaslates into better living standards including education, jobs, opportunities. It's a pretty old principle, I'm very suprised some posters here obviously didn't even hear about it and keep talking about their car is still working etc. | |
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by kamm:As several studies already pointed out, better broadband penetration trnaslates into better living standards including education, jobs, opportunities. Cite one. I'd like to see what their criteria is for the vague terms "living standards". --edit /hears crickets chirping --
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said by kamm:As several studies already pointed out, better broadband penetration trnaslates into better living standards including education, jobs, opportunities. It's a pretty old principle, I'm very suprised some posters here obviously didn't even hear about it and keep talking about their car is still working etc. Link please? I think what you'll find is that people with better jobs and higher living standards attract broadband to their area -- not the other way around. I like my broadband, but I'd still have the same job and live in the same place without it -- and I work in the computer industry. More people in my area choose not to have it. It's available, but most could care less. --
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said by Combat Chuck:said by rideboarder:that is true, but then why don't cities like New York, Chicago etc have connections with speeds like South Korea etc has? We have densly populated areas here as well, but we still don't even get close to other nations. The Question I have for you is this: on a large scale what difference does it make? Seriously what positive benefit will giving people the kind of bandwidth they have in SC have...short of the ability to say we have higher speeds. Lots, One thing you might night have noticed about the internet is it evolves, Over time sites and media and Internet games have vary much changed. As like most people are switching to broadband if you have not noticed there are now allot of sites that stream video & have allot more content to them then they did back some years ago. As more people switch to higher speeds the more the web changes in content and in what it can do. With high speeds like they have you could do full movies on web sites, download full games off the internet in minutes. This also helps online gaming in a hell of allot. --
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by Mordhem:With high speeds like they have you could do full movies on web sites So you can complain about how you won't use it cause of DRM. Not that any of the current offerings can cap out my bandwidth as is. said by Mordhem:download full games off the internet in minutes. So yo can complain about the software companies not buying enough bandwidth to cap out you're connection. said by Mordhem:This also helps online gaming in a hell of allot. Online gaming uses a piddling amount of bandwidth, much less than I currently have. So, what was the benefit again? --
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Because what matters is uniform population density. The thing is, Asian countries are population dense throughout whereas America, with it's relatively huge amounts of land may have pockets of population density comparable to Asia's but the economies of scale for building high(er) speed networks still isn't there.
It has nothing to do with monopolies because: A. they don't exist, B. if they did, we'd see a vast improvement in product and/or reduced price (I can prove that, too), and C. to the extent there are monopolistic characteristics, it's because the government has created an uncompetitive market though it's use of exclusive franchising. A government-created quasi-monopoly without the benefit of profit (since most are under a rate of return structure that limits their profit) leaves little or no money for R&D.
On the other hand, a "purely" competitive market would leave no profit for R&D, either. That's why I say, "monopolies" are actually a benefit.
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i dont see why this is even relevant, isnt smart investment better then exposive growth. Besides, with satelite, cable ,dsl, and dialup, the internet is available to everyone. I am more concerned with other problems. Notice how they fail to mention pop density and availablity.
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Cable and the Bells are not monopolies. You can choose not to have BB. You can choose another phone company(in a sense), You can choose sattelite. If you want monopoly, The power companies are a monopoly. | |
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Re: Yet another useless, stupid stat...said by FTCXtreme:Cable and the Bells are not monopolies. You can choose not to have BB. You can choose another phone company(in a sense), You can choose sattelite. If you want monopoly, The power companies are a monopoly. They are not total monopolies but very close. In many cases, the ILEC is the only one that provides phone wires to your house and the cable company is the only one to bring coax. Typically, the market is a duopoly. Satellite can be considered for TV as alternative to cable but not really alternative for Broadband. It is not unknown that ILECs bribe the politicians and misled to believe market is competitive via reports from ILEC funded so-called research institutes and lobbyists. | |
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How come all of Europe is being compared with US?Ever since the EU started all of Europe is being compared to the US. Consider the facts, Europe is loaded with densly populated cities. The are all serparate countries( Eventually they'll adopt a constitution but our buddy France rejected it), There are more Europeans then Americans. How about this, why not add up the total of canadian and American connections, to make it fair, Mexico too, North America would have more users. | |
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2005-Jun-8 2:29 pm
doesn't surprise meWith the way this country is set up and the goofy mentality no surprise here. | |
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This just in...Pre-pubescent Japanese schoolgirls have have much more advanced cell phones than we do. We don't have to be the world's leader in everything. | |
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2005-Jun-8 3:52 pm
Not only Denmark and Sweden...I can tell more countries..
in may case 15 months ago I just had 256kbps/128kbps DSL, now I have 4Mb/300kbps for 33€ (40$(like but in the end of this year I'll get 20Mb ADSL2+
France -> Free.fr 20/1.5Mb with tv and phone for 38$
you can get 8Mb for around 20$
Italy -> 10/10 Mb FTTH in some areas,
tiscali.it 6Mb for 38$
12Mb for 44$
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