Verizon: No DSL Price Cuts

I would love to see my prices cut to $15 but I'm getting my money's worth at $30.
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Agreed. Oliphant We tied this time. But next time I will get first post muhahahaha.

OMG :rolleyes:

for $15/month DSL access fee ?????

LMAO...

It's only a good deal if that's all you have to pay. I can get cable for $30 and dont have to pay for a phone line on top of it...

I agree my 30 bucks well spent. 15 bucks less than my local cable company. Especially for 3Mbps/768Kbps speed. Plus SBC's price of $15 is for 1.5Mbps. So Verizon only really charges $5 more than them, since SBC's price for 3Mbps os $25 and I think it goes up to 30 after a year.(correct me if I'm wrong)
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That's if you bundle with their long distance, I think. I tried to get the lower price on the 3.0 package from SBC and they wouldn't let me because we have our long distance through Sprint.

Why not bundle the long distance with SBC? Because my wife works for Sprint and we get a hell of a deal because of that that no one else can compete with.
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No bundle necessary now. That promotion was last year.
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Verizon overcompensates for the lost speed due to overhead while SBC does not. The price seems fine to me. Much better than the greedy cable providers.

I completely agree. I'm provisioned at 3360/864 for 3000/768, its great.
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$30 for 3mbps/768kbps ... Tell that to the people who can't get service or to those paying $60+ for 768kbps/240kbps speeds. At this point i'd be happy if my local DSL provider could just offer 2mbps after PPPoE overhead..

Availability doesn't mean that it's not a good deal. I can't get FIOS but it's still a good deal for those who can.
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Don't get greedy

The value of dsl is declining precisely because in its primary deployments (768kbit-3metabit) it is usually inferior to cablemodems.. the vdsl extended by various methods will compete with docsis 2.0 deployments around 10-20megabits, while fiber is the ability to provision speed upgrades at the computer terminal instead of cleaning plant coax equipment. While price cuts are not the primary motivation to subscriber growth, but if a consumer considers 3-20megabit cablemodems a better deal, subscribers will choose cablemodems instead of dsl, when it comes up against fiber, there's clearly no competition on quality (as of now) of service, while they need to get the bundling price more competitive as $5 does not go as far as it used to (as in 1996 when dsl was a gleam in some overpriced dslam company's eye)
The bigger threat to verizon's plans IS VOIP! the $20 cannot be made up in video service as deploymed by cablecos and satellite, there must be a transformation of service to
accomodate the real competition (THE INTERNET, aka BITTORRENT and P2P haven of the world)!!!

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Hmmmmmmmmmm someone is on fiber thats for sure

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I would love to see my prices cut to $15 but I'm getting my money's worth at $30.

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Considering VZ's recent seemingly consistent decline in the quality of their IP-based services that they deliver over that DSL pipe, I'm not so sure that is the case. What good is a "wide pipe", if it becomes effectively useless to use?

Stop blocking e-mail, stop blocking ports, fix the routing / packet-loss problems, fix the stupid 15-minute DHCP lease problems (NOT a problem with customer hardware - Verizon's server-side DHCP options settings for rebind / release times are apparently *intentionally* set to just below the lease timeout period, instead of something sensible like 1/2 the time - this suggests that Verizon might be suffering from an IPv4 shortage (in at least certain IP blocks), and running "rolling IP blackouts" to deal with it. Customers simply cannot stay connected for longer than 15 minutes in those areas. Thankfully, I haven't been affected by that yet.)

Oh, and fix the web hosting, fix the news server's front-end internel Verizon network bandwidth problems, fix the problem of FIOS customers sucking most of that bandwidth (limit them, or give them their own "FIOS news server to compete for bandwidth with, and leave the DSL/dialup customers alone), etc.

Sure, the "verizon online DSL freight train" may be powerful and mostly fast, and the tickets to ride cheaply had, but it feels like the wheels are soon to be falling off, and the risk of derailment high. You pay your money and you take your chances.

At least there aren't any UL/DL caps, that much is a good thing.

True...this is just in my case, that I feel that I am getting my money's worth. There are those concerned not only with the issues your bring up but of course those with problematic service in general who would think it's a rip at any price.
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""So I fail to see the need to do anything on pricing. We also have a replacement product, so I fail to see the need to discount our existing product when we have a new product that is superior to what cable offers. I think we're on a good course.""

Apparently he also FAILS to see the fact that Verizon DSL has not been living up to ANY of its alleged speeds with any consistency, and that each "upgrade" is really a marketing ploy to get new customers to subscribe to a service that does not exist.

He also FAILS to mention that Verizon hasn't offered naked DSL to the general public.

He also FAILS to state that noone pays $30 for dsl. You're always paying more thanks to fees, taxes and surcharges that should be guestimated into the total price. I.e., UP TO $34.99 not $29.99 which is a complete lie.

Regarding speed ... I get almost 1.5Mb, not the 3.0Mb maximum. But 3.0 is a maximum, line quality and distance matter. For me, at about 12000 feet, I guess that's all I can hope for. At least its always 1.5, unlike some of my friends on cable who get very inconsistent speeds, sometimes 300Kb, sometimes 4000Kb. I'll take the consistent 1.5Mb.

With regard to the pricing ... I think what they are doing must be unlawful. How come they don't have to include the taxes and fees in their quoted price, while all the competitors do. 39.99 with Earthlink is 39.99. 29.99 with VZ is really almost 35. How can they get away with that?

As for naked DSL ... I have read here that you can have another carrier (cable, wireless, etc) take you current verizon phone number and you will end up with naked DSL. I haven't tried it, but I'm tempted...want to call all wireless for voice.

When you purchased your PC in the store, did they quote the tax in the price? Not on your life. Everyone has to pay taxes, see your friendly local congressmen for the reasons and the fees are regulated by the FCC so $32.00 is still a good deal. I have the option of 2 cable companies in my town and I choose DSL for the reliability. I was one of the 1st customers in the town and when I first went online, I could see all my neighbors' PC's in my network. HA! I called Verizon and informed them and the next night they were ALL GONE! The cable Co's want $45.00 and $40.00 respectively while I pay $32.00 for DSL. My cable TV has an outage every 2 months or so, I think I'll stick with Verizon. For those of you who need tech support help and can't get to 1st base, Verizon has a "Presidential Complaint" Line in NYC and it works great. I know, I used it when I moved 4 houses further up the street.

I purchased my PC, piece by piece, mail-order. No tax. That is not really on topic though.

The question is why does VZ have to add tax while Earthlink and others do not. Do the Earthlinks of the world not pay the tax, or do they just suck it up? I cannot believe they just suck it up.

Don't get me wrong. I use VZ and I'm quite satisfied with their service. There just doesn't seem to be a level playing field with regard to broadband pricing.

Gee, you actually can get support out of Verizon? We get none here in Ma. Their idea of support here is FAQs. Or telling you that any problem encountered is your fault (or your pcs fualt). Slow line, latency problems? Verizon's answer: Defrag your hdd, or clean out your cache. Right! Generally speaking, I am happy with the dsl service. Although I seriously doubt I am getting anywhere near the speeds they are advertising these days. As for cable in our area, it's Adelphia (Uggghhhh, need i say more?). I'm hoping for the naked dsl option as well.

I think 3mbit/768k is a great deal for $30. I don't even want a price cut, but faster speeds would be nice.

You know in my area we only have comcast at this time but with all that has been going on with comcast after the upgrade, if any ISP came into our area I would have to say comcast would lose this area and it would take more than a price cut to get them back. People don't usually remember good things to long but when things go bad people remember that a long time. I myself like comcast because I have my cable TV with them and I have been a customer for a long time but I am really getting tired with the internet thing.

Heck any reasonable cut like $10.00 or $15.00 off would be nice and Yeah I pay $30.00 for VOL DSL.:D
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Exactly what the topic said. You can deploy much faster then what you're doing right now. So deploy now.

Probably faster with the income from DSL, and the belief they can hold their price point. Signs of an extended price war, or a loss in the BrandX case could slow their desire to deploy more quickly.

the "better" product is much better than what you see / hear about today...

it's not regular DSL bumped up in speed, it's delivered to your house in a new method that will blow most people's minds.... it's taking awhile, b/c of how expensive it is to deploy.....

FIOS? Fiber to the premise. Being rolled out by Verizon in several markets, atm. Pricing is below 100 bucks a month, with speed several times faster than avg current DSL. It can handle VoIP, HDTV, and of course internet.

The cost the user pays is not the cost to deploy. Much like how Paypal used to pay 5$ to each new sub wasn't a sign of how much money they were making.

I can deal with Verizon's price for DSL here at the Mistake on the Lake.

Hey I'd be glad to get the Verizon DSL at 30 bucks. I pay Charter 50 bucks a month for internet only, and it's 3mb/256k. I'd take the upload in a heartbeat for less dough.

What I would like to see is $30 for 15mb/s download, 1mb/s upload be minimum today, but that is only in my dreams...
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As I speak I have tears rolling down my cheeks! If you really want something to complain about,Try Comcasts $60.95/ month service!

You Verizon people are a bunch of babies and whiners!

Well if you're in Verizon Territory don't expect to be able to get SBC DSL. So there's no competition.

you know what i'm tired of these vs mfrs keep comparing themselves to cable.

the truth is that dsl is no match for cable.

first off their speed is 3mbps and cable is 4mbps.

they like to refer to it as broadband instead that way they don't have to say 3 mbps.

so just based on that its should cost less.

second of all as an ex dsl customer and now on cable (i have both comcast 4mbps and rcn 10mbps) dsl sucks comparing to cable both in connectivity (disconnections) and speed.
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Let me say that Cable is a better deal price/MB. You are getting close to 3.0 with dsl and paying $10.00 a meg. and your getting close to 5.0 with cable and getting $9.00 a meg who is getting the better offer.

The real problem with Verizon is that Fiber isn't going to be availble in apartment building and in cities well into 2006/2007. So if your a home owner maybee you will get it sooner. Rather than later. By then Cable will be on par with Verizon pricing So it will be all the same.

Frankly right now Cable offers better triple play packages, without contracts.

Cable is not as stable or consistant. Plus my pings were higher. DSL wins.