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Houston, TX | Transcript? I can hardly hear what the survey questions are? At least at my work computer. Anybody have a transcript? | |
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frankenfeet
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join:2001-10-14
Smiths Grove, KY
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| Re: Transcript? Basically, the guy getting polled, is asked a series of questions on weather he thinks LUS should build a FTTH network. The pollster leads him to believe that there is already private business's building FTTH, which then causes the guy getting polled to argue about the question being asked.
It's really just a scare tactic, they just happen to poll someone who happens to have a little bit of insight about the plan for LUS to build FTTH.
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Zeb
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Lewisville, TX
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SoFinWhat
@208.17.x.x | So So whats the difference, if the DOJ has its way, they will have access to all online tracks/records of what youve done. Now, that will be no matter what ISP if it goes through. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| said by SoFinWhat:
So whats the difference, if the DOJ has its way, they will have access to all online tracks/records of what youve done. Now, that will be no matter what ISP if it goes through.
/me sighs
If you're going to try to hijack a thread, at least pick the right one?
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jordanp12345
join:2004-11-30
Jenkins, KY | Desperate Cox and Bellsouth sure are desperate. now if they had some services that could compete they wouldn't be in such a shitty boat. | |
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deadzoned
Premium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA | Gonna be ugly no matter what That situation is going to get very ugly over there. I sure don't see that LUS has a clear-cut win. From what I understand, they are not doing a good job of selling it.
This could be a wrong read on my part though. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Realplayer? Uhh, No thanks. I wanted to watch that movie, but not at the expence of downloading real player to play it. | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: Realplayer? Realplayer?
It loaded media player in the browser for me, heh | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Realplayer? I opened up IE and it worked. What a funny servey. I would have such a good time on the phone. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | oh my god.... ...this is the worst pollster I have ever heard. where do they find these people? | |
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join:2004-10-13
Frazee, MN | Re: oh my god.... This guy who is the pollster is barely literate. That is what low-paying telemarketing companies hire now. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: oh my god.... Keep listening, the guy gets his manager on the phone, and he's not much better.... | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: oh my god.... i'm going to get in trouble from laughing so hard.
This is great.... | |
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sweepy17
join:2004-07-21
Apex, NC
| Very Scarry These pollsters are doing nothing more than lying to the people they are calling and most of the people prob think that the truth lies in the questions.......
You would think that someone would try and get a cease and desist order as this is not a real survey but a political message with no truths.
I wish you guys luck...You have my vote but it don't count as I am in NC.....SCREW BELL SOUTH ! | |
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| Re: Very Scarry You are 100% correct. In fact, that is the total intent of a poll such as this - to suggest, by extremely loaded (and false and/or ridiculous) questions, that the project is bad. They have no intent at all of actually collecting information or statistics with this. | |
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Daarken
Rara Avises
join:2005-01-12
Cajun Countr | Re: Very Scarry I grew up in Lafayette, and LUS was a great electrical company to have, great rates (cheapest in the state) and had great repair services.
I am all for them to beat the crap out of cox/bellsouth. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| said by FiberNow:
You are 100% correct. In fact, that is the total intent of a poll such as this - to suggest, by extremely loaded (and false and/or ridiculous) questions, that the project is bad. They have no intent at all of actually collecting information or statistics with this.
No, they collect numbers. They then try to say "we surveyed the area you want to serve and found that nobody wants it. You'd be wasting tax dollars on FTTH that could be spent buying books for the schools or paving the streets."
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animeorb
join:2004-08-19
Lafayette, LA
| Im against it Im against it because they want to limit it to 1Mb/s which sucks compared to the other companies around here. I mean if someone wants at 1 Mb go to Cox and get the cheapest package. Who ever supports it is stupid because they will pay for it in the long run. Another thing i dislike about is that they will have to dig up all the yards. They have signs around town that say "Vote Fiber. For our future. For our children." What does fiber have to do with our future or our children. Fiber already is old technology. I would rather then wait and put a city wide wi-fi or WiMAX. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Im against it Hey fiber is not obsolete , I would hate to tell you this but both wifi and wimax are useless for large amounts of data.
Fiber moves light which is much faster then radio waves(which wimax and wifi use). To say that fiber is obsolete is a statement which bears no merit. If it had merit then we would have wi fi and wi max all over the world. We would be using wireless to transport al the backbone traffic over it also.
No wait that was a half assed comment you made with no merit, and very little understanding of the world of this important thing called physics.
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join:2003-08-01
Manhattan Beach, CA
| Radio waves are people too Short Version:
‘Light’ and radio waves are the same thing, and they both travel at the speed of light.
Long Version:
First off, I'm not promoting Fiber or Wireless either way in this post. I'm just saying that the 'light' in fiber optic cables and the radio waves in the air are both Light, and the only difference between the two is their wavelength. But most importantly, (and I repeat for clarity), both the light from fiber and the radio waves from wireless will travel at 2.99792 x 10^8 m/s in a vacuum (this also includes x-rays, microwaves, ultra-violet, etc.).
If you want to get technical about it, the light in the fiber will travel notably slower because of the medium it has to travel through (glass?). Everything slows light down, but the effect from the air in our atmosphere is negligible, so if it were regular glass that the cable uses to transmit light, then light through fiber would move at about 2/3 the speed of light through air.
HOWEVER, the speed of the light isn't the only thing that's important. Basically, the shorter the wavelength, the more ‘information density' there is, so since fiber uses far shorter wavelengths (visible light?), fiber can transmit much more data in the same amount of time.
(Note on Ping - as far as ping times go, by far, most of the latency comes from being processed through routers and paused in routers during internet traffic jams, not from traveling fast or slow along transmission lines. Unless of course you’re using satellite, then you have about a 143,000 km / 89,000 mile round trip to make, which will take about 500ms).
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Radio waves are people too "radio waves to x-rays -- travel at the speed of light. In empty space this speed is approximately 300,000 kilometers per second!"
The radio waves will deflect off items and bounce slowing them down (x-ray theory). A good piece of fiber has a very high purity level which makes the light travel at a considerably faster speed then any wi fi signal can travel. Because the glass as a medium is comparable to a "vacuum" with very little loss and we actually know the loss levels, hybrid fibers which use special doping can actually reduce the refraction rate of the carrier itself.
Now we can also take a look at wifi in general and why it is a bad idea... less secure using the public protocols, Distance limited, frequency limited, prone to emi and the reasons go on and on. Wifi and wimax offer nothing but local area connections and you still need to run fiber to it to support the speeds you want.
btw phuntism I know that and for all purposes this thing called physics changes that drastically in the real world.
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join:2003-08-01
Manhattan Beach, CA
1 edit | Re: Radio waves are people too Ok, I agree with your first, third and fourth paragraphs, (and in reference to your fourth paragraph, my physics is mostly textbook as opposed to industry specific, so I made a few assumptions in my post, like fiber using standard glass,  ).
Your second paragraph is interesting. Aside from internet and communications and all that, are you saying that light in fiber travels much faster than in glass and almost as fast as light through air, or are you saying that it is actually faster than light traveling through air (same distance, no reflections, clear Fresnel zone)?
Either way, I don't think it really matters, but I was wondering.
Would you agree that it's the wavelength that matters most in these cases?
I looked it up and (depending on what frequency you pick of course) visible light's wavelength is about 200,000 times shorter than radio waves, meaning there are that many more wave crests per second to represent 1's and 0's. At least that's the way I've read how it works.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Radio waves are people too More then agree its the wavelength that matters. But the facts are there is little to no interference in the fiber to slow down the waves, what happens is , in very good fiber anyway, the light actually slows down a shade over about 55 miles so a splice is made to actually shifts the light to keep it moving at peak speeds. And prevent harmonics from destroying the data integrity. And probably the fiber if they had pushed enough threw.
Some fiber is doped with a special acrylic that can actually increase the speed of certain shades. One is the blue shade , since every shade moves at different speeds your actually limited to the wavelength, but because of the special dopes it can be almost as fast as through air. I think it's some where around 99.995 % or there about. While wifi based waves are somewhere in the 80 % on clear days with no interference because of reflection off other things such as buildings and walls even off a table. Not to mention the wave lengths you need to send data as fast as fiber you would probably end up microwaving a city slowly.
With fiber the electronics are the problem , with wifi based anything you have to worry about the delay introduced by the antenna and then by the wire length and resistance, then into the circuitry. Over many hops that becomes a problem. Fiber only has the problem with the electronics, and the new interconnects that they are using to produce all in 1 chips are bringing that problem to an end.
Last point you are dead on right , that is yet another reason why it will never carry as much data as fiber. Unless they figure out a way to transmit light to an area in a better way (lasers did not work well) then we run into the same problem.
BTW thanks for helping me straighten out my answer I did not think it all out before typing the first response to that guy.
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Rook008
Miles To Go
join:2002-02-05
Far Rockaway, NY
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1 edit | I'm pretty sure that anyone who took the poll and didn't bother to research the situation even a little bit would be unlikely to vote for the LUS plan. The "questions" asked were basically an attempt to scare people off of the idea. It's not really a poll though, is it? What good is a poll that asks leading questions after providing false statements as true ones? Really underhanded stuff, I'd say.
said by phuntism  :Short Version: ‘Light’ and radio waves are the same thing, and they both travel at the speed of light. No, they aren't.
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join:2003-08-01
Manhattan Beach, CA | Re: Radio waves are people too Sigh... 'visible light' and 'radio waves' are both electromagnetic waves, and in a vacuum they will both travel at exactly the speed of light, because they ARE light. | |
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Miles To Go
join:2002-02-05
Far Rockaway, NY | Re: Radio waves are people too Both electromagnetic waves, both travel at the speed of light, but not the same thing.
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@tsged.com | That is totally incorrect. LUS has not even announced speeds yet. | |
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| animeorb,
I don't know where you get your ideas but nothing in this post is true.
LUS will not limit broadband speed to 1 meg. (That's nuts. They will have to compete and have promised faster speeds than the competition at the same price point.)
Of course we will pay for it: by purchasing service. (That's the idea. LUS builds, peopole pay for the service, they use the revenue to pay back the revenue bonds.)
LUS will not "dig up all the yards." (Where electrical service is aerial, on poles, so will the fiber service be. When that service is already buried then LUS will bury it.)
Fiber has everything to do with the future. Every provder including BellSouth and Cox is planning on fiber to the home "eventually" --That is, when it is profitable for them on a 2-4 year payback. Fiber at its max will always be faster than wireless at its max. There is basic physics involved. WiFi and WiMax, ONLY make sense where they are built on the back of a robust, dense, fiber network that has the capacity to fund the nodes without too radical a division of available bandwidth between users. (There is a reason why Seattle has begun pushing for a fiber network and is explicitly rejecting a wi-fi network until the necesary fiber infrastructure to make it useful has been built.) | |
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JohnQPublic
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join:2002-03-22
Xanadu
| said by animeorb :They have signs around town that say "Vote Fiber. For our future. For our children." What does fiber have to do with our future or our children. A high fiber diet is good for you (and children, too). Helps keep you regular. 
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amdace
BOHICA
join:2001-02-02
Novi, MI
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| Obsolete Fiber I especially liked these statements of gross misinformation.
First came this:
"LUS claims that the FTTH system would provide Lafayette with state of the art technologies for decades to come. Experts say that is not the case. New technologies like wireless are already on the horizon and could make LUS's 125 million dollar investment obsolete in a few years."
And then this a little later:
"Since Bell South and Cox Communications are now installing fiber optic systems that provide exactly the same services as LUS, why should Lafayette citizens spend 125 million dollars on a high risk venture that duplicates what private vendors are already doing."
First they tell you its almost obsolete and then they tell you that they are currently installing it themselves. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| Re: Obsolete Fiber said by amdace :I especially liked these statements of gross misinformation. First came this: "LUS claims that the FTTH system would provide Lafayette with state of the art technologies for decades to come. Experts say that is not the case. New technologies like wireless are already on the horizon and could make LUS's 125 million dollar investment obsolete in a few years." And then this a little later: "Since Bell South and Cox Communications are now installing fiber optic systems that provide exactly the same services as LUS, why should Lafayette citizens spend 125 million dollars on a high risk venture that duplicates what private vendors are already doing." First they tell you its almost obsolete and then they tell you that they are currently installing it themselves. Don't speak truths we all know those have no merit. Truth is what will bring down their whole campaign, the problem is that the people who want the fiber don't have the money that the big guys have to spread fud. They can't advertise or its seen as a waste by people. I hope it fails and they get their increased rates like the tri city area got.
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join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| I love these types of polls... Forst and foremost, they are not even close to being scientifically valid...
Second, they get pretty funny. A couple of years ago we had a KKK member and a known crook (not yet convicted though) running for governor down here in Louisiana... One of the polls commissioned by the crook asked:
"Would you be willing to vote for a self admitted racist who has a criminal record?"
Obviously the crook won...
Fast forward to a few years later and now both the crook and the candidate who was in the KKK are in prison...
Its the same with this survey... The survey says that "experts" (anonymous authority logical fallacy - »www.datanation.com/fallacies/anon.htm ) state that the LUS fibre network will be obsolete in a few years... Less than ten questions later you hear that Cocks Cox and Hellsouth Bellsouth are planning on deploying fibre... Interesting, so instead of worrying about LUS installing something that will be obsolete, the people of Lafayette will have two companies with obsolete networks that won't get upgraded because it costs too much... Uh huh.
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| How do you spell infrastructure? Best line- I have to say that is a idiotic question.
Can you please hold for a minute?
That completes our survey!
That has to be the worst pollster I've ever heard. Boy did they pick the wrong guy.
Read that script!
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MDReferee
Federal Flack
Premium
join:2001-10-21
Germantown, MD
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: How do you spell infrastructure? said by Pollster:
That completes our survey! Our intrepid pollster and his manager had already lost at this point... I'm amazed they didn't just hang up. The manager just keeps on reading the fallacious script ("Just doing my job...")
...Nothing they hate more than a educated voter...
("The author of the question is an idiot! That's how I respond to that question...")
EDIT: Just heard the bit about the Freedom of Information Act... While FOIA does make some information available to the public, there's this little thing called the Privacy Act of 1974... Someone's TV-Watching habits would not be releasable under FOIA...
Just love those inflammatory statements...
The manager even says at the end that taking polls can sometimes shift peoples' views... uncovering the real purpose of this survery... and then he asks again, notwithstanding the earlier answer, how our hero will vote on the referendum... Ugh... | |
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join:2004-10-07
Jeannette, PA
| Re: How do you spell infrastructure? Oh my god. That was the STUPIDEST thing ever. I wish I Comcast would try to pull some sort of a situation like that here in Pennsylvania.
"The author of the question is an idiot. That's how I respond to that question" Thats the perfect answer. What fools. There as GOT to be some sort of law against using surveys to influence an opinion like that. | |
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tiamold8
join:2004-07-21
Tucson, AZ | LOL Ok, so I just listened to that.
That was seriously the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life... | |
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