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@comcast.net | The Pot calling the Kettle black Right! I'm stuck with over priced cable ,And Verizon doesn't know what a DSL line is! ..I'll be quick to jump on Wimax! | |
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bert the vert
| Re: The Pot calling the Kettle black Originaly posted by lars
Ciscos take on wimax.......Hmmmmm????
Gee leave it to cisco to bash intels promotion of wimax....their(cisco) ceo says (more or less) "99% of developed world is all ready hard wiried.....wimax as a last mile technology makes no sense"???????? I wonder why he did not consider the fact that the undeveloped world makes up around 60% of our population... about 3 billoion people!
Yeah, wimax is going no where.....Oh yeah, and Im Clint Eastwood. I wonder why craig mccaw (cell phone pioneer) and his company clear wire just bought two small spectrums for 16 million dollars? Why is websky (traded as:wkyn)who owns more licensed frequncies than any other publicly traded company doing wimax ventures in Argentina,Peru,China and India? Why are Qwest,Southern Bell,ATT and a dozen other companies doing start up wimax project??....Shame on you Cisco!! | |
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Luker3
join:2004-10-09
Blacksburg, VA
| Oh, I see... I guess Cisco has decided that they will wire the rest of the county free of charge.
98% of population already going to be 'highly wired' Lets examine this quote...
- Mr. Giancarlo says this as if 98% of people will be "wired" before WiMAX starts catching on. I am pretty sure that we won't have 98% of anything related to broadband BEFORE WiMAX.
- He states "highly wired", which could mean that many people will have different wire options to choose from, or he incorrectly used a percentage (Stated, provable number of somthing) with an opinion on how wired the population will be, to create a confusing sentence with no real direction. | |
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Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Oh, I see... 98% of the developed world will be highly wired.
Maybe he doesn't consider rural america part of the developed world
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techjoe
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Schererville, IN
| Re: Oh, I see... said by gh4456  :98% of the developed world will be highly wired.
Maybe he doesn't consider rural america part of the developed world
~DSL Tech
Hmm..My subdivision has been developed for over 20 years and we're wired all right, wired up real good with over 25,000' of copper via pair gain and no coax at all, and no plans in place to improve it.
"Highly wired"..Stoned installers? Long loop lengths? Too much java?? Pfft.
This falls in the same file as SBC's CEO claiming 100% DSL availability a few months back. 
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Evergreen, CO | Tell that to DirecTV and Echostar... providing a competitive alternative to "wired" cable operators has proven to be a pretty good business model for them.
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Fremont, CA | Re: Oh, I see... Um tell it to people in 3rd world countries who have monopoly phone companies.
WiMax is a dream come true. | |
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Topmounter
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Lurker112345
@170.190.x.x | 3rd world countries will never allow wimax to be deployed unless it is done by the monopolies. Most countries own a large portion of their communications outlets. Alot of self interest & corrupt practices going on round here. | |
| cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| Cisco misses boat again Not a big suprise here, Cisco missed the boat on the use of WiFi for WISPs so it will again do so with WiMax.
Cisco had probably the best radio out there for a WISP with it's aironet series but has never really modernized it for that type of use. | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| Re: Cisco misses boat again said by cmaenginsb :Not a big suprise here, Cisco missed the boat on the use of WiFi for WISPs so it will again do so with WiMax. Cisco had probably the best radio out there for a WISP with it's aironet series but has never really modernized it for that type of use. I was looking at their UNII band stuff that was in development five years ago. Their base station was something like $11K and it had to be tied to a big boatanchor router. Their competitors were offering base stations around $2K at the time. Talk about a messed up strategy. It was no surprise Cisco dropped that product six months later. | |
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1 edit | Speak for yourself Out here in the country, we're not 'highly wired' for internet, we're barely wired for phone service. DSL doesn't reach here, and cable is 2 miles away, with no indication that they have any intention of further rollouts, ever. Fiber won't be here for 5-10 years at least, and satellite is at best a bandage on a sucking chest wound.
Even the people down in town only have a choice between craptacular Frontier DSL, and unreliable Roadrunner cable. And this isn't exactly in the middle of Utah somewhere--this is upstate NY.
Even if EVDO or UMTS ever makes it out this far, that's still only 300 Kbits, compared to tens of Mbits from WiMax. 300 Kbits isn't an acceptable home connection, let alone business. | |
| | evoxfan
Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL
| Re: Speak for yourself, you dick. said by FightingBlue:
Even if EVDO or UMTS ever makes it out this far, that's still only 300 Kbits, compared to tens of Mbits from WiMax. 300 Kbits isn't an acceptable home connection, let alone business.
Verizon's EVDO has an invisible cap at around 100MB per month too. Not to mention the $80 a month for it. No, EVDO nor satellite is acceptable options for broadband.
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insomx
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Canada | Re: Speak for yourself If you want internet, move to the city. People should stop complaining. Its just like wanting to go to town in 4 mins for groceries, move to town.
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schnuggles
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DaDogs
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| Re: Speak for yourself said by schnuggles :I assume this was merely a flippant remark. Naw, it was just a stupid remark.
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insomx
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Canada | Re: Speak for yourself Does that make yours any better?
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1 edit | Re: Speak for yourself said by insomx :Does that make yours any better? Nope, but mine is TRUE and STUPID, whereas yours was just STUPID.
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Canada | Re: Speak for yourself Nothing could be true or false about it, it is my opinion.
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DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA | Re: Speak for yourself Yep, you opinion... What is it they say about opinions?
Errmm, oh, yeah, they are like arse holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.
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Canada | Re: Speak for yourself That's your opinion about opinions 
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| You really have no idea how little of a distance it takes to be outside the broadband net--I live about 8 minutes away from the grocery store. And thanks, but some of us enjoy smog-free air, privacy, low rents, expansive living space, and the wonderful bounty of this thing called nature. Technology isn't exclusively the domain of sardine-can city dwellers. It's stupid and dishonest to claim otherwise. | |
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insomx
Premium
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Canada
 ·Aliant Communicati..
1 edit | Re: Speak for yourself I'm sorry your city is like that. I live in a very nice small town in Shediac, New Brunswick. There is no such thing as smog here, I live 200 feet from the water (ocean), plenty of land, KMs of walking trails, less then 5 mins to town, and DSL/Cable is everywhere.
EDIT: Taxes are low (1200 year) and water/sewer combined is only 300 a year. Canadian dollars obviously.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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clubs: | Stupid Fixed wirelss for the last mine? Sounds stupid as shit to me. It would make sence for those living in an area without broadband, but im not going to ditch my wired life for wireless. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | Re: Stupid said by DaMaGeINC :Fixed wirelss for the last mine? Sounds stupid as shit to me. It would make sence for those living in an area without broadband, but im not going to ditch my wired life for wireless. You might have better alternatives... Fine. But calling it stupid is rather short sighted...
WiMax will be a real good alternative for rural America where density makes it prohibitively costly to provide a viable wired connection.
Also, the next version of WiMax will be a mobile technology very much like cellular data. You will be able to take your home WiMax service and use it elsewhere. It provides much higher upstream bandwidths than so-called (and overly expensive) 3G technologies provide.
The reason Cisco is bashing WiMax because they are behind in their efforts and it is "not invented here" syndrome... Please note that they are not dissing on technological grounds. They are dissing on political grounds which is in fact not true.
FCC should stop pushing BPL and concentrate on a more viable WiMax technology. | |
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join:2005-06-21
Portland, TX
| Re: Stupid said by DaMaGeINC :Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" I'm on wireless and my connection never drops during a thunderstorm, and i'm about 3 miles from my ISP. My pings are about 50ms on game servers and there is no packet loss whatsoever. I would not down wireless, the technology is there. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
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Round Rock, TX
1 edit | said by DaMaGeINC :Its wireless. Thus subject to MAJOR interfearence. 802.11 wireless is unrealiable itself, now haveing a fixed wireless connection isent going to be much different. Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" This technology is significantly different than 802.11 and the wide area deployment will be on special band as opposed to unlicensed bands. FCC has reserved 3.5Ghz band exclusively for this type of communications. So, interference from your Wi-Fi, Bluetooth etc. devices is non-issue.
Sure wireless is never going to be 100% reliable if you are at the outskirts but it is much better alternative to Satellite and expensive cell Phone data (with much more limited bandwidth) and definitely technically much more sound than BPL.
If you have access to wired infrastructure use it. Nevertheless, WiMax creates broadband opportunities for a lot of unwired people (which you seem to conventintly ignore) and opens up some possibilities for low cost mobile data access for others. Those unwired people live in rural and low density communities where the only solution is either dial-up at 26.4kbps or satellite with extremely high ping rates and strict low bandwidth caps. They deserve better.
Every technology has its strengts and weaknesses. Your wired connection has the weakness of being non-portable and requiring much higher infrastructure costs to deploy. There is definitely a place for WiMax.
It is a technically sound technology. | |
| | | | shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| wimax doesn't use the same frequency band as WiFI or of microwave ovens. t-storms will most likely not interfere, it would around 28 mhz and lower bands, am radio, etc
companies such as towerstream already offer this service and in certain cases can be the same or more reliable than a T1 line.
i work for a network services company and we deploy pt2pt cisco wireless over several miles and these work great, provide more bandwidth, ROI, and reliability. | |
| | | | | cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| Re: Stupid WiMax can use pretty much any frequency in the 2-6 Ghz or greater bands. Towerstream operates their last mile in purely non-licensed bands.
In my experience wireless properly engineered is just as good as wired. As Da Dogs said, most telcos use wireless backhaul between some of their COs. | |
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join:2002-08-05
Dunfermline, IL
 ·Mediacom
| I had fixed wireless before Mediacom came around. I was about 6 miles away from the tower, but the yagi on top of my house had 'near' line of site. The service worked great, and the bridge on my end was nothing more than a Linksys wet11 modified for power over ethernet. I had a reliable 384/256 connection long before traditional providers even considered wiring my little town. | |
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DaDogs
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Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| said by DaMaGeINC :Its wireless. Thus subject to MAJOR interfearence. Yep, that is why engineers "over build" their links.
said by DaMaGeINC :802.11 wireless is unrealiable itself, It is if you are clueless about how to use it. If you are somewhat clued you will find it is generally reliable, even low end SOHO units are pretty much four nines or better.
said by DaMaGeINC : now haveing a fixed wireless connection isent going to be much different. Actually it will be even more reliable if it is built properly. Apparently you don't realize that nearly every telephone call you make goes across a PtP microwave link somewhere.
said by DaMaGeINC : Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" Naw, It's like you *don't* have 30% loss during thunderstorms, and some idoit running a microwave 24/7 will be a problem for about eight hours.
Reality check DaMaGeINC, all wireless is not the same and even wired links go down...
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| | | | | Hanko
join:2001-12-28
Eatonville, WA
| Re: Stupid While wireless is not as reliable as wired you all seem to be overstating the problem. I run a small community WISP out of my house. I am to far outside of town for a DSL line or Cable. So I had a T1 installed to be able to telecomute. As a way of easing the cost I installed a tower and serve wireless to the neighborhood. In 3 years I have had 2 outages. Both of them were with the T1 line. I would say that is pretty darn reliable wouldn't you. Each of the neighbors (within a 2 mile radius) that uses the service pays $15/mo for 256/256 or $30/mo for 768/256. I havent had any complaints from any of them about the service.
I would love to be able to switch to wimax from a provider so I could cut out the $536/mo cost of the T1. | |
| | | | gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Stupid I like that idea. How many subscribers do you have? I am sure not enough to cover the cost of the service, but I am sure it helps. | |
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join:2001-12-28
Eatonville, WA
| Re: Stupid Right now I have only 9. To many trees in the way to add very many more (unless I add retransmitters at one of the customers premises). Pays for just under 1/2 of the line costs. I give the customer a list of equipment to purchase and I do the setup for free for now. (Wet11 inside a sealed box, POE, 15.5DB Patch antenna and router in the house) I don't care how many systems they put behind the router or if the are using servers. The router is not optional---I want their systems isolated on their own lan and not observable from the wireless side. Tech Support on the wisp equipment is free if they can wait till the weekends. Otherwise I charge for each call out... minimal fee's just to keep the nuisance calls down. I charge higher rates for spyware and virus removal. I do give each of them a list of do's and don't when it comes to spyware and virus's and a list of self help websites (including this one!!!) So far I haven't had any calls to fix the wireless link in 3 years...not making any money on support... | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| said by DaMaGeINC :Wireless is great. I use it and home and get great results. But it can never be as reliable as a wired solution. If you say, that wired is 95% reliable, then wireless will be no where near that. I KNOW its better than SAT, anything is better than SAT, even dialup. lol Ummmm...OK. I've designed wireless links for five nines of reliability. If you're talking about Mom and Pop's wireless ISP using Best Buy plastic garbage 802.11 equipment, you may have a point, but wireless in general can be as reliable or even more reliable than wired with the appropriate equipment and engineering. | |
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bert the vert
| Cisco........I cant stop luaghing picoChip Has $20.5M for WiMAX
Wireless chipmaker receives third round of funding to develop its WiMAX technology.
June 22, 2005
English chipmaker picoChip said Wednesday it has snagged $20.5 million in third-round venture capital funding, giving it a total of more than $40 million to develop its WiMAX technology for boosting wireless transmission speeds.
The latest round came from Intel Capital, Rothschild Investment, and lead investor Scottish Equity Partners (SEP). Combined with prior funding from Pond Venture Partners and Atlas Venture, the five-year-old company has now raised $41.5 million.
The cash gives the firm extra resources to develop WiMAX, which promises to substantially increase wireless transmission speeds, bringing it more in line with broadband wireline transmission capabilities. With the increased funding, picoChip will be able to invest more resources in putting its technology into products.
The money will also give picoChip more funds to work on 3G wireless WCDMA (wideband code division multiple access) technology and TD-SCDMA (time division synchronous CDMA) products.
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The company’s chips have already been selected by Intel for its Glenfield boards, which are going into WiMAX base stations. Fujitsu and Marconi have also signed contracts with Airspan, which is using picoChip’s WiMAX technology.
“It’s a very healthy-sized round,” said Rupert Baines, picoChip’s vice president of marketing. “It’s larger than we’d initially planned on raising. SEP, Cambridge Silicon Radio, Intel, and Rothschild are all very experienced and demanding investors. They checked to make sure the technology is solid and proven and the processor works.”
Lead investor SEP has also invested in Bluetooth chip provider Cambridge Silicon Radio and semiconductor company Wolfson Microelectronics in the past.
Intel shares were down $0.03 to $27.15 in recent trading.
Intel WiMAX Development
Intel is hedging its bets with WiMAX technology, however. The company is also partnering with ArrayComm, a high-speed wireless antenna developer headed by cell phone inventor Martin Cooper. Intel and ArrayComm are working together on WiMAX standards.
Intel and Nokia have also been collaborating on developing WiMAX technology (see Intel, Nokia Jumpstart WiMAX), with trials scheduled this year through AT&T (see TechSpin: Net Chip Speedup).
“If WiMAX really works, it’s best described as Wi-Fi on steroids,” said Jonathan Spira, chief analyst of Basex, an IT research firm focusing on knowledge sharing and collaboration, and author of the upcoming book, Managing the Knowledge Workforce.
“WiMAX does have the potential to transform broadband by bringing the service to even more people around the globe and by bringing even more providers into the market,” Mr. Spira said. “That should result in even lower broadband pricing.”
Intel’s backing of WiMAX will also add more credibility to the technology and help make it widely adopted. This happened with Wi-Fi when Intel began including Wi-Fi in its Centrino mobile processors.
“Everything that’s done today is data-intensive but the ability to connect at a high rate of speed to a network is far from a given at this point,” Mr. Spira added. “WiMAX should eclipse the Wi-Fi market at some point. It seemed to take Wi-Fi a long time to get a foothold. But once Intel was able to integrate Wi-Fi into the Centrino chips, that took it out of the high-end road warrior market and brought it more into the mass market.”
Mr. Spira said picoChip’s technology will allow carriers to start deploying 802.16 technology, a precursor to WiMAX, right away. It will also let carriers begin upgrading to 802.16b technology, which provides full WiMAX compliance, to avoid obsolescence, he added.
picoChip also believes it has an edge in WiMAX development.
“There are two big problems for the industry that we’ve solved,” said Mr. Baines. “We’ve made parallel processing real and made it usable by a normal engineer. The second thing we’ve done is software-defined radio, which is something people have talked about for a long time. But we’ve made it commercially viable.”
Mr. Baines isn’t sure what picoChip’s investors will ultimately do with the company.
“Our investors obviously want to make a return on their money,” he said. “We also want this to be a very successful and valuable company. Whether it’s an IPO or a trade sale is out of our control. What is in our hands is to make us very successful and valuable.”
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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clubs: | 2 percent you are not forgotten!
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| | kore2
join:2002-08-22
Centreville, VA | Re: 2 percent Cisco said the same thing about Airespace. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. Cisco will make WiMAX or partner with any number of people. They have always had a tactic of complaining loudly only to make a major purchase down the road. | |
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Raahul
@61.touchtelin
|  Is it Intel or Cisco?
any new technology gets ahead based on overall requirement/ need and present environment.
Now the situation is ripe for Wireless and remote locations have to be brought in communication without further delay.
If wimax can solve it asap, then wimax shall go ahead. It does not matter whether it backed up by Intel, Cisco or Microsoft. | |
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Cisco Slams Wimax...Again