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@fdn.com | I want FIOS. I want it. I want it. I want it. | |
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join:2005-06-19
66308
| NOT ME ... Too expensive for worthless TV. Not spending $50 month for that. I like the high speed internet2 alternative where you have more choice.
definition of FIOS. They should just use "FTTH". How stupid.
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Direct Tech
join:2003-07-10
Gaffney, SC
| Re: NOT ME ... so much better then cable's prices if so then. uuhhh bye bye comcast if it works and comcast don't start to fight back with better prices.
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| $$$$$$$$$$$$ How much is it gonna' cost, for what channels / features?????
"It is the bundles where the real wars will be waged."
Gimme' the best price / service / features and I'll be your customer!
Consumers are going to be looking for the best bang for the buck.
Probably mostly looking at "triple play" - Cable TV, phone, Internet
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bhan261
join:2001-02-12
New York, NY | Ple-e-e-ase wire Manhattan! Damn, I can't wait! | |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | nice "on par with satellite TV pricing" means much less than the cable co's prices... Good deal. | |
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JoshNJ
Premium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
| Re: nice said by Cod  :"on par with satellite TV pricing" means much less than the cable co's prices... Good deal. not necessarily, except for the plain old family cable package, directv prices are even with cable prices here
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: nice said by JoshNJ :not necessarily, except for the plain old family cable package, directv prices are even with cable prices here It's really regional. Below are the prices for the two major satellite providers and what Comcast offers. A direct apple to apple comparison can't be made as each package varies slightly from what the competition offers, but you can still draw similarities.
America's Top 60 (~60 Channels+Locals)- $31.99 per month
America's Top 60 Plus (~60+RSN Channels+Locals)- $36.99 per month
America's Top 120 (~120 Channels+Locals) $42.99 per month
America's Top 180 (~180 Channels+Locals)$52.99 per month
America's "Everything" Pak (Everything) $86.99 per month
Movie channels range between $9 and $14 depending on what combination you purchase them
Total Choice (~135 Channels) $41.99
Total Choice Plus (~155 Channels) $45.99
Total Choice Premier (Everything) 93.99
Movie channels range between $7 and $12 depending on what combination you purchase them
Preferred Basic (~80 including) 47.89
Basic Digital (~160 channels) 62.84
Silver (Basic Digital + 1 Movie) 79.99
Gold (Basic Digital + 2 Movie) 90.99
Platinum Digital (Everything) 102.99
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Here in Comcast land cable is far more expensive than DBS. | |
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join:2001-02-20
Saint Louis, MO | Re: nice Frankly, I prefer analog so that I can cable to each device and not have to have a separate receiver to be able to use them. | |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | I agree. analog is better for aiw radeons | |
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| DarkSly
join:2004-12-10
Danvers, MA
| really? Comcast in my area, for a package with all the channels including premiums is about $5-$6 a month cheaper than a comparable package with DirecTv plus I get Video on Demand. Satellite is really only cheaper on the lower tier "hook" packages. | |
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DC DSL
Stays crunchy even in milk
Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC | Apt. Buildings! PLEASE! PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE! Oh, how I wish they were doing apartment buildings in DC! I would so love to ring Comcrap and tell them to bugger off. I'm stuck with them cuz I'm on the north side of my building and can't get satellite. Oh, well... [sigh] | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
1 edit | Re: Apt. Buildings! PLEASE! PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE! Screw DC, Hello Verizon Arlington loves you. LOL
But I know what you mean. I wish they would wire my apt bldg. I'm also stuck with Comcrap but Comcraps service has been reliable. I just hate the pricing. | |
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machpost
join:2002-01-11
Washington, DC
| Re: Apt. Buildings! PLEASE! PLEASE! PRETTY PLEAS said by DC DSL :Oh, how I wish they were doing apartment buildings in DC! I would so love to ring Comcrap and tell them to bugger off. I'm stuck with them cuz I'm on the north side of my building and can't get satellite. Oh, well... [sigh] If you can get RCN, drop Comcast. Much better service, better selection of channels, faster internet speeds. | |
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N0_thxx
@charter.com
| Sounds exciting! So far, Verizon has deals with NBC Universal, Discovery, Court TV, A&E, Showtime and the NFL Network.
Too bad they probably won't get past cable franchice agreements where I am. All I see in my future with FIOS TV is lawyers. | |
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IHateFirefox
join:2005-05-23
35604 | Who Cares Fios to a home is a fad. | |
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Orwell1984
@fdn.com | Re: Who Cares Isn't this whole internet thing just a fad? | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD | Technically so is cable/dsl since no technology hngs around forever. Fios is going to be around for a while.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| said by IHateFirefox :Fios to a home is a fad. Do you have anything better in mind given cable providers are also moving to all IP all fiber future. At some point there will be no difference between cableco and telco. | |
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NXds
@rr.com | I care. So you think Copper is better? All Verizon is doing is upgrading to a new pipe which better meets there needs and their customers and instead of only running it halfway they are going all the way home. | |
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join:2005-05-23
35604 | Re: Who Cares Copper doesn't cost $1,000 per home to wire. | |
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MPScan
Premium
join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA
1 edit | Re: Who Cares A. That price will come down over time.
B. Even at $1K per home, that is a deal. Fiber is not limited to any speed, in theory the speed is unlimited and based only on the equipment at each end.
Wait 5, 10, even 15 years and see what you think then when it's STILL the greatest and fastest way to move data. Your probably just pissed because you live in Podunk, Montana and you don't even have copper yet. LMAO.
PS. The internet was a "fad" at one point. | |
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join:2005-05-23
35604 | Re: Who Cares Fiber, just like everything else, is limited to the speed of light.
The Internet still is a fad. Intranets are not. | |
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TheSaint
join:2002-01-25
Atascadero, CA
clubs: | I Hate Firefox,
I suggest you have a look at this:
tp://media.ebaumsworld.com/theinternet.wmv | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| said by IHateFirefox :Copper doesn't cost $1,000 per home to wire. A trolling you will go,
A trolling you will go,
Hi-ho ,The derry-o,
A trolling you will go.
But I'll bite.
Your argument is flawed as you are not comparing apples to apples. A much better comparison would be if you were to amortized the cost of wiring a house across the life of the infrastructure as well as cost savings by doing the upgrade. If you compare THAT number to the equivalent number from your local cable provider laying it's copper as well as it's HFC network upgrades and associated equipment from a decade ago, I bet the numbers will be a lot closer.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard. | |
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Wireless Major
@adelphia.net | Fiber also lasts on average about 30 years if installed properly. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
 ·Packet8
2 edits | HD? How many HD channels? Despite their public fight with Cablevision, I hope they plan to offer the Voom HD channels...
PS: does anybody know when FIOS will be available in Brooklyn?
I mean at the internet service... though these TV channels will be interesting as well if they price it properly. For example how about offering an a la carte programming too? That would be a big deal, compared to TWCNYC's ridiculously overpriced crappy picture quality shitty package bundles... | |
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VeriZonUsUcK
@comcast.net
| why not get Satellite instead? Had direcTV since the satellite went live with a whopping five minutes down time. you can't beat the quality or the price! Umm.......Then theres,Chicken SHIT,Verizon who has proven that it can't even run it's own network nor provide services to it's own customers.
heh,the competition is shaking in their boots alright...*cough*cough
*cough* GAG! | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Re: why not get Satellite instead? Satellite is all digital and cheap. That is good if that is all you want. I've used Dish Network. But Satellite is not good for data and has no place for VOIP. It cannot even do double play well when both cableco and telco can (or will) provide tripple play services. | |
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VeriZonUsUcK
@comcast.net
| Re: why not get Satellite instead?
I can actually see the near future without a Verizon. The company is poorly managed ,and losing the gravy business,POTS,at an alarming rate. Although there appears to be a rapid deployment of FIOS,at current rates it will take at least thirty years. With obsurdly low DSL deployment and Low ROR,The investors will be dissapearing like farts in the wind! I know you guys want lickity-split fiber broadband ,you'll probanly get it through MAN's (WIfi) first. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
·Packet8
| said by VeriZonUsUcK:
Had direcTV since the satellite went live with a whopping five minutes down time. you can't beat the quality or the price! Umm.......Then theres,Chicken SHIT,Verizon who has proven that it can't even run it's own network nor provide services to it's own customers.
heh,the competition is shaking in their boots alright...*cough*cough
*cough* GAG!
DirecTV looks like SH*T. The worst, horrible compressed piece of crap.
In some cases it looks inferior to the worst quality TWCNYC channels.
Dish looks better but I really miss my old Voom service - looked waaay better than anything else out there. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Re: why not get Satellite instead? said by kamm :DirecTV looks like SH*T. The worst, horrible compressed piece of crap. In some cases it looks inferior to the worst quality TWCNYC channels. I've used DishNetwork for 2 years before I moved to TimeWarner cable (Austin, TX) and used their Digital Cable. DishNetwork digital TV was much better. Apparently, it is not about technology, it is what the service provider choose to do. It looks like DirectTV is cramming a few more programs on the available bandwidth...
Dish looks better but I really miss my old Voom service - looked waaay better than anything else out there. Alas, they did not get the business model right to make it profitable. Technical supriority does not always translate to successful product. Market timing is important as well. | |
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join:2001-08-24
TX
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | DishNetWork and DTV are goin Mpeg4 soon aka Xvid Divx so thangs will change soon enuf and thay will use a XM radio like antenna soon allso  fyi Mpeg 4 uses less bandwith so thay can realy load hd and othere programing i bet the Edge dtv and dishnetwork has will be HD thay will probly get working on it soon enuf i think its called a KA band bird thay just put it up there this year and it will be the next step in sat tv services mabe even more he he he Fyi i dont like DTV if i was goin to get a dish it be with Dishnetwork | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
·Packet8
| Re: why not get Satellite instead? said by NoOneButMe :DishNetWork and DTV are goin Mpeg4 soon aka Xvid Divx so thangs will change soon enuf and thay will use a XM radio like antenna soon allso fyi Mpeg 4 uses less bandwith so thay can realy load hd and othere programing i bet the Edge dtv and dishnetwork has will be HD thay will probly get working on it soon enuf i think its called a KA band bird thay just put it up there this year and it will be the next step in sat tv services mabe even more he he he Fyi i dont like DTV if i was goin to get a dish it be with Dishnetwork I don't understand a single word of this crap - what's this sh*t, you couldn't finish the first 3 elementary years? | |
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cptmiles
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN
| Like Satellite TV! What they are preparing you for is to be charged for every TV like Satellite TV. IPTV will need a set top box at every television just like satellite, and not only that, you may have to rewire your house with CAT5 to be able to get it everywhere you want.
There are some set tops that can control up to 3 TVs, but I don't think Verizon is looking in that direction. Thus, your $49 per month for basic turns into a $69 if you want it on 3 or 4 TVs.
Also, since everything is basically over a high speed connection, you may only be able to watch 2 TVs in your home with HD since HD takes up about 20M.
As far as apartments go, I can't wait to see what Verizon's play will be on that. That will be a wiring nightmare.
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Nucleotide
join:2005-02-22
Newton Highlands, MA
| Bundles
Their three tier bundle better include:
unlimited local, regional and long distance phone plus basic voicemail, caller ID, call waiting etc.
Basic digital TV (no premiums)
High speed broadband: 5000/2000
for $99 plus taxes and fees. Otherwise, they won't lure me away from RCN. What are the chances?
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aaron12345
join:2002-12-17
Falls Church, VA | iptv FYI this is not a true IPTV, and it still runs off of coax. | |
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hmmmmmmm
@verizon.net | 47 music??  who needs so much music??
they have hbo btw  | |
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ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·Packet8
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| Only 20 HD channels? TW here in Charlotte offers 18 HD channels now (the last couple were added a few months ago) and I believe we have just as many music channels. Not sure about the digital channels. I guess if you count all of the VoD, premium and sports pack TW is matching this pretty close up on their hybrid network. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Re: Only 20 HD channels? said by ke4pym :TW here in Charlotte offers 18 HD channels now (the last couple were added a few months ago) and I believe we have just as many music channels. Not sure about the digital channels. I guess if you count all of the VoD, premium and sports pack TW is matching this pretty close up on their hybrid network. That's the base package.
Verizon expects and HAS THE ABILITY to offer a hundred channels or more if they wanted in HD. Basically they could put every channel on HD and handle it. Right now there just isn't "enough" HD to provide a worthwhile selection over twenty. Twenty is more than most if not all cable/satellite companies in the USA. Plus the picture quality should be great since it won't be as compressed as satellite.
Basically when you bring a fiber into your home you are going to get the best tech there is today, you can't compare the capabilities to cable/satellite. Verizon will offer 2000 ON DEMAND movies per month, at least 20 HD channels (as of now) and a ton of channels at a cheap rate.
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lemonade
join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA | how much? anyone have idea how much they are going to charge for such a service? | |
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| donjuan2002
join:2002-10-06
Kearny, NJ | Re: how much? I like the idea of 55 international channels, not even directv or dishnetwork has that manny. | |
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Premium
join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ | Re: how much? thats really impressive, wonder which ones are offered?
and what kind of pricing they plan for them?
maybe vz could buy qwest | |
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Sadimitsu
join:2005-06-07
Pittsburg, CA | Fios Meh it seems like cali never gets any of the good shit. We will probably never get fios or anything close to it for freaking years. Guess life really isn't fair =D | |
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Gokou2k3
join:2003-08-05
Tehachapi, CA
| Re: Fios said by Sadimitsu :Meh it seems like cali never gets any of the good shit. We will probably never get fios or anything close to it for freaking years. Guess life really isn't fair =D We'll never get FIOS out here, California ia SBC land. And we all know their strategy for the next-gen high speed internet.... | |
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join:2005-01-03
Murrieta, CA
| Re: Fios said by Gokou2k3 :said by Sadimitsu :Meh it seems like cali never gets any of the good shit. We will probably never get fios or anything close to it for freaking years. Guess life really isn't fair =D We'll never get FIOS out here, California ia SBC land. And we all know their strategy for the next-gen high speed internet.... Actually, there are significant sections of California that are Verizon (ex-GTE). I live in one of those areas and can orderfios TODAY. | |
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EL_TB
join:2003-05-03
Fairfax, VA | Number of TVs Would this be like cable where all the tvs would be able to watch? Or would this be like Sat where each needs it own reciever?
If its like cable where all tvs have it I'd consider it! | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Number of TVs Read the thread. Its just like cable. The ONT will spit out a coax line that hooks right up to your cable in the walls. | |
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bhorow
join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| FIOS TV .. TO early to say The fact is the jury is still out. New York is a really heavy sports area, and therefore YES/MSG/FOX/and the new METS channel. are really key in this area. Verizon hasn't dealt with Disney and ESPN, and trust me ESPN will be asking for a lot of money. HBO is not going to be an easy contract for Verizon.
Verizon has no content of its own, putting it at a disadvantage.
The Jury is still out on the FIOS TV area. Right now as it is nothing is earth shattering. Also the key is the price of set top boxes that Verizon will charge for additional sets.
I've noticed that set top box price is one of the big issues, and its starting to be a more equipment oriented business.
Getting the NFL is a big thing for verizon. However many deals are left to be made, and how there on demand is will probably be at big issue.
Verizon TV is a work in progress. I don't see in roads until 2006. Although Verizon promotes heavily early so getting in initially might be to your advantage.
Be weary of contracts though. Remember Cable doesn't sign you to a contract, and verizon does in most cases.
It looks to me like Verizon is offering Hybrid programming between Cable and Satellite. Because verizon is a new network it has some advantages.
DVR is also very interesting issue. Will you be able to skip through those commercials?? | |
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| degeester
join:2002-03-08
La Quinta, CA
| Re: FIOS TV .. TO early to say I'm also in Cali but served by Verizon. I have seen the trucks from Northern Arizona Pipeline in my neighborhood pulling fiber for Verizon. As soon as it is available, I'm leaving Time Warner. My phone, cell phone, broadband and TV will all be with Verizon. Hopefully with all these products bundled I will get some break. Then to sit back and see how Time Warner responds.
This is a win win for the consumers. | |
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