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| Re: Right... At this point it is just a regional internet network. Nothing to get too excited about.
Though, I do applaud them for not simply crying about it and actually DOING something.
If their network gains momentum and is able to convince enough people to join and shows that it is a better system, then more power to them. Currently, the internet as it stands is a global network. Theirs is not.
The good thing is that this will show how democratic the internet really is, regardless of who controls the root servers. The more accepted network will succeed. The loser will fade into a regional network.
Currently, the U.S. based network has momentum. Whether it is better is up to interpretation.
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Take you best shot and see what falls out in a couple years. They can call it the "muslim internet".
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| Re: Right... said by TK Junk Mail  :I agree. Take you best shot and see what falls out in a couple years. They can call it the "Muslim internet". ... I believe I read that quite a few countries were interested in this network; I don't believe all interested countries are Muslim though...
Instead of tagging this initiative with "Muslim", why not call it the "anti-Christian fundamentalist network", or just AltNet?
Only if we have alternative networks will the "internet" be truly free from looming US Taxes, RIAA and anything "evil-by-your-standards" you can throw in the bag at this point.
I guess we need a shot of Al Gore to create yet another version of the Net 
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| Re: Right... said by b_zen :said by TK Junk Mail :Take you best shot and see what falls out in a couple years. They can call it the "Muslim internet". Instead of tagging this initiative with "Muslim", why not call it the "anti-Christian fundamentalist network", or just AltNet? I thought Turkey was a predominantly Christian nation, though I admit I'm no expert on the region. | |
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| Re: Right... said by TK Junk Mail :said by footballdude :I thought Turkey was a predominantly Christian nation, though I admit I'm no expert on the region. » www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac···/tu.htmlReligions:
Muslim 99.8% (mostly Sunni), other 0.2% (mostly Christians and Jews) I feel shame. | |
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| Re: Right... said by Maarvin :Absolutely! They can buy their own computers and servers and program them any way they like. If they're not interested in the global networks we share today then they can create their own. I see no reason why the entire world should alter the current system just to suit one backward little country. Perhaps that sounds harsh, but one nation cannot expect the world to change merely on their desires. .
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Portsmouth, NH | No one is stopping them or anyone else.
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The LAST THING anyone with a CLUE should want is the USELESS NATIONS to be involved in ANYTHING. Those losers should be DISBANDED !!! | |
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Just because you're born in the USA doesnt mean other people born in other countries are as bad as you think they are, they re just as good as you... | |
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| Re: Just what we need the USELESS NATIONS aka U.N. You're pretty funny...
Give it 20 years and the US will be looking more and more like a third-world country when other countries realize that the US has sunk so far into debt that they won't lend them any more money. Let's see what happens then. | |
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| LOOOOL... suuuure we're the best. can I ask you something though? How the hell do you want to improve or advance if you think everything is already great? Example: the roads for instance. They are horrible potholes everywhere but hell! we're the best so it must be worse else where right? Or how about dsl service. We're the best right? so we don't have any problems with dsl blackouts every couple of weeks. Following YOUR logic then ISPs outside the US MUST be worse then here (and ofcourse they must be more expensive right?). Come on man! If the human race settled for mediocrity then we still be tilling the soil by hand and we'd be walkin everywhere (cause who the hell needs a machine to go places?). Who says one country needs to impose its views or regulations on the rest of the world. Where is the free market capitalism and globalism ideology? Let them develop their network. We'll see if it's better. | |
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| Re: Just what we need the USELESS NATIONS aka U.N. said by ":
Following YOUR logic then ISPs outside the US MUST be worse then here (and ofcourse they must be more expensive right?). Come on man!
Reminds me of a recent news blurb that I read about Iran deplying a country-wide fiber-optic network. Wow. I mean, we have FIOS being deployed, but not nation-wide, certainly. It may be another 20 years before that happens, if ever.
Most people, myself included, still thinks that people "over there" live in mud huts in the desert, not unlike the scenes from Star Wars showing Tattooine, the desert planet. Truthfully, I've never been there, so I have no real idea.
The real truth is probably more likely that US ISPs are behind in deploying widespread socially-beneficial technologies, primarily because US corporations focus more on short term monetary goals, rather than longer term synergistic ones. So sad. | |
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| .... And just WTF does the war in Iraq or gas prices have to do with this topic? Riiight...
OP has a point, as a forum to discuss new internation treaties and such the UN is irreplacable. As an actual governing body of pretty much damn near anything its proven itself over and over again to be pretty bad and every bit as corrupt as any other gov.
The US has so far done a pretty damn good job of managing the root servers and has gone out of its way not to censor anything on them or play any stupid politcal games with em'. I don't think the same could be said if the UN got control of em' as many countries in the UN have voted time and again on similar issues that they DON'T like the internet in its current form and want to be able to block things they deem inappropriate entirely... | |
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| Re: Just what we need the USELESS NATIONS aka U.N. said by anon0024:
Or maybe when you ll pay 5 dollars a gallon for your gas you ll realize you need UN to "friggin" help you get out of the iraqi mud your president put you in.
Just because you're born in the USA doesnt mean other people born in other countries are as bad as you think they are, they re just as good as you...
Umm, I do believe it was the UN that begged us to get in there in the first place ala Gulf War I, but ahh well. The UN is full child molesters and oil cheats, so my opinion stays the same: Keep their hands off the Internet.
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| Re: Just what we need the USELESS NATIONS aka U.N. And ICANN has done a good job to.
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Covington, LA | 'go ask a few million people alive thanks to them deliving food.'
Well scratching "US" off the box and stenciling "UN" is very important and all but not that important. | |
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clubs: | Re: Just what we need the USELESS NATIONS aka U.N. At one time I would have agreed with you, but it seems we aren't contributing like we used to. Did we ever finally pay our back dues? | |
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Belvidere, NJ | Taylor Troll Alert!
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In Deo speramus
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Kendall, FL | Let them.. Let them create their own '2nd Internet'. Since we control the root servers, we'll just block their '2nd Internet' at root level!  | |
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| Re: Let them.. Dude, you don't get it... they have set up their OWN root server. I cannot BE blocked! They have 13 servers worldwide already, four of which are located in the US
All it takes is for DNS software to query both root servers... probably takes just two extra lines in Bind.
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I just neglect to put those lines in BIND... | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Re: wtf yeah censored everything like china is doing... hehe bad very bad =P | |
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| Thought Control There have been some SciFi written about things like this. It turns into another Iron/Bamboo curtain where those on one side get one story, and those on the other side get another story (North Korea and South Korea come to mind). Some interesting politics arise from that, including wars agreed upon by rulers on both sides where each side knows the 'facts' and defend against the 'aggressions' of the other side, even though nothing really happened except on the 'net'.
Wish I could remember which books those stories were in.
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| Re: Thought Control You are probably thinking of "1984" by George Orwell, but there were three countries involved, and two of them were always plotting against the third one. But which two it was changed every few years. I think the author (who was British) intended them to be Britain, Russia and China. But the control of the press allowed the rulers to change the alignment overnight without the people complaining, or even knowing they were being duped. Whatever our problems today, lack of information is not one of them. It is more the lack of processing power in the recipients. | |
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| Re: Thought Control No, I read a lot of Sci-Fi and there was something like that, years ago. It was way before 911 and was centered around China and communism, I think. China was upset that the new computer network gave the people information they [the government] shouldn't have so they created their own 'communist computer network' and the state dictated what you could do on it. | |
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China was upset that the new computer network gave the people information they [the government] shouldn't have so they created their own 'communist computer network' and the state dictated what you could do on it.
Hmm. Doesn't sound like fiction to me. I mean, they're even giving those citizens that dare to use the "real" internet, electro-shock "rehabilitation therapy". Scary thing that.
Next thing you know, they'll be doing that here, and Al Gore will be trying to take credit for being "the father of electroshock therapy". Perhaps that's why he doesn't seem to show any emotions any more... | |
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Minas Tirith | Re: Thought Control said by USA numero uno:
Hmm. Doesn't sound like fiction to me.
Back then, it was. It was in the days of the iron & bamboo curtains and nobody knew what was going on there. | |
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clubs: | No not (yuck) Orwell's 1984. Miskatonic is closer, but that does not sound right either. Been *MANY* years since I read it.
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| Kudos to the Turks When their net is ready let the world know. I actually dont think its a bad idea to implement regional root server management. Let each country/nation manage their own root servers, and set up forward records in all the other root servers.
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I actually dont think its a bad idea to implement regional root server management. Let each country/nation manage their own root servers, and set up forward records in all the other root servers.
I forsee that happening eventually. It will result from the eventually disagreement between nations over some sort of "DNS goverance" or trademark-rights issues, and the DNS root namespace will eventually splinter, on national boundries. The forwarding will probably happen as well, with the local national-level domain registrants getting priority, much like trademark registrations already are recognized.
But the true sustainable future solution, is to move beyond DNS altogether, using a distributed / P2P identity / naming scheme. That will likely happen, but is probably at least five years away from being widespread. | |
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| This is a good thing folks This is a good thing. This will get us to IPv6 much faster. I am sure this network will not be built around IPv4. Well, if they do it, we will have to do it to, right? From a national security view point. One would think most countries would want their own root servers. Most probably do anyway.... for backup.
So is all this about selling domain names?
I really doubt Turkey is pushing this alone. I'll bet they were recruited to do so. Well, like others said...the more the better. Let em roll out IPv6. This should spur a new round of hardware sales and kick start the economy.
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| Re: If nothing else... Exactly Jester, what I was thinking. I can't believe the amount of moronic posts in the thread so far from ppl so self centered that think we are All That.
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| said by jhboricua :Exactly Jester, what I was thinking. I can't believe the amount of moronic posts in the thread so far from ppl so self centered that think we are All That. No wonder we get bombed. Errr... I wasn't referring to the idiots who insist on bringing personal politics into a technology discussion. I'm talking about the idiots who blather about "backup root servers" and other nonsense, without any understanding of how the existing system works. | |
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| Don't hand it over... Just share... Arrgghhhh...
Lemme tell you what will happen...
UN will create their own root servers and all of Europe and other countries will implement the system in a snap.
ICANN will resist to open the root servers to the world. there will be some business loss and a chaos. some corporations will find a way of workaround and pressure the ICANN and they will open the root servers to other countries control later. (How many years will it take?? I don't know)
US can not play the internet domination 1.0 by itself it will have to be upgraded to 1.1 eventually..
Lets forget about fighting over control and improve what is out there. Lets control it together for everyone's interest not for only one side of the world.
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Congratulations People you turned in this subject in to religion fight. I bet if you were in a fire you would deny help from a muslim just because you are idiot. Burn baby burn...
public-internet is created by christians but muslims jews and atheists are supporting it too. if you actually read the article you'll see Turkey is the 12th root server powered up to support this era and 4 of 13 public-root servers are here in the US other countries have only one. Which means public-dns is growing here in the us faster than other parts of the world. | |
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