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Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS | How is this different than...? How is this different than sticking an EVDO card in my laptop and sharing it via WiFi?
I can just see the Verizon guys sitting in an exec conference room and giving themselves a big "DO!" and a slap to the forehead. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| Re: How is this different than...? said by Blasterbator  :How is this different than sticking an EVDO card in my laptop and sharing it via WiFi? I can just see the Verizon guys sitting in an exec conference room and giving themselves a big "DO!" and a slap to the forehead. It isn't. That's the point of this news story, Verizon execs don't like people doing that.
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voiplover
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH | Re: How is this different than...? So.. where is the best deal on junxion boxes anyway?  | |
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evdo to voip
| I think the bigger concern should be an $80 unlimited plain providing VOIP instad of people paying some of the highest cellular phone bills in the industry! Plus no taxes and fees | |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Re: How is this different than...? ... worse Verizon is backhauling cellular at ~915 MHz in our area. Yep, that's right kiddies your nice encrypted digital cellular calls are being dropped to 915 analog in the clear and broadcast all over eastern Virginia.
Gawd, the shit Verizon pulls is limitless. Sure it is protected, but does it have to be in the ISM bands where Mabel with her baby monitor can pick it up?
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| | | | cerus98
join:2004-07-03
Carbondale, IL
| Re: How is this different than...? I think you have your information wrong, they can't and will not go to analog. The FCC is putting an end to ALL analog cellular service in a couple years. Meaning anyone with and old analog phone theyve kept for years because they can't get anything else, will not work anymore. | |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Re: How is this different than...? said by cerus98 :I think you have your information wrong, they can't and will not go to analog. The FCC is putting an end to ALL analog cellular service in a couple years. Meaning anyone with and old analog phone theyve kept for years because they can't get anything else, will not work anymore. That is exactly what I thought myself, but in deploying 900 MHz Canopy hardware I am seeing what most certainly looks like cellular between 911 and 916. It definately touches wire line which means it is protected and it definately belongs to Verizon.
It could be a beat frequency happening in the IFs but I don't think that is what it is and it can't be a harmonic. It is strong enough to break squelch even with the antenna off of the scanner.
Hence my guess that it is a point-to-point link between two towers.
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| I dont see the issue.. you're talking about sharing less than a t1 worth of bandwidth and your upload is 155kbps max and usually less than that based on signal strenght...
I think someone misinformed the exec's about what's going on. Until Rev A comes around there wouldnt even be a good amount of bandwidth to share.
I believe Rev A is 3mb down and 1mb up. | |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | Hmmmm...... If it's in their TOS, they have every right to complain and cut the person off, if not, then don't bitch...
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sadkfdkl
@verio.net | Re: Hmmmm...... I thought "everything" was included in the TOS? Isn't the last line always something like... and if we don't like it, we're taking our toys, and going home. | |
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anomus
@mindspring.com
| Re: Hmmmm...... Yea, TOS is such a bunch of crap. They keep changing it every other month with the tineyest of print so there is no way you can resonably understand and keep up with the crap they expect out of you. If TOS is really to be taken seriously, why not just print it in lettering large enough to read and spell it out in plain english. Otherwise let them suit me. Its been years and they havnt yet! | |
| hroo772
Darkness Fears Me
Premium
join:2002-04-05
Mclean, VA
clubs: | The Price... ...of Unlimited data services with verizon is $80 a month. For that much money I think they should be able to use it for what they are paying for. | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Verizon just doesn't get it. The Verizon exec is almost as dumb as the **AA exec. "Giving it away for free". Please explain where the 'free' part is? Someone is paying for the wireless access card, thus, verizon is getting paid for the access. What that person chooses to do with their LEGALLY PAID FOR access point is up to the person, not verizon.
If you take away the verizon doublespeak, what the executive meant to say was... "We aren't raping everyone we can for all the money we can".
Verizon can put "Terms of Service" and rules for any way they want. However, I the end user, can choose to ignore those terms of service at my own risk. Now, since Verizon is classified as a 'common carrier', they cannot legally monitor what I am doing, so their ability to 'catch me' is severely limited. All they can do is spout out empty threats really, cause proving it would be very hard to do, and at the profit margins they make, just not fiscally viable.
Why is this such an issue? Because it shows that Verizon is selling a product, with certain capabilities, that they don't want the user to use. (i.e. the user is paying for 500kb download over EVDO, and if the person chooses to use all 500kb, verizon can't support it). Guess what, it's not the USERS problem.
For those who don't get it, it's would be like Ford selling me a car that can only carry one passenger. Even though I don't currently carpool today, if my situation changed, and I had to, yet was unable to, I'd be pissed. Ford sold me a product, I can do what I want with the product, as long as I follow the law (not fords terms of service, the LAW, they ARE different you know), and in many cases, even if I don't follow the law.
So, verizon, if you want to limit it, then by all means put on a byte cap. Oh, wait, you don't want to do that, because your studies have shown that the sales you would loose to your competitors would be greater than the savings you would make. Cause if I were your competitor, I sure as hell would take out full page ads spreading FUD about your product, and it would work too...
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| | LostInWoods
join:2004-04-14
| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. I doubt that Verizon's status as a common carrier applies to the EVDO data service. They should be able to monitor usage to ensure compliance with the TOS and cut off non-compliant users. Same as any other ISP.
I don't follow your Ford analogy. If you need a bigger car, you can sell the one you have and get a bigger car, but that has no correlation to a data service. If you like car analogies for the EVDO TOS, how about you could rent a car and let anyone drive it despite what the contract says, but when it's wrecked/lost/stolen, or just if they track the car and find out you've violated the contract, then the rental company will come after YOU. | |
| | Dexter9999
join:2002-12-11
Somerville, NJ
| I have an EV-DO card and I fully understand why I can't share the service.
A better analogy than the Ford example you gave is for someone to walk in to an All-You-Can buffet with a bag full of Tupperware. Since that person paid their bill, it now entitles them to fill all the containers and take the food home to feed their entire neighborhood.
When the owner of the restaurant sets the price, he sets it with the expectation that you won’t take every last bit of food in the place. Verizon had the same expectation and as a user of the service, you probably agree to this in the TOS (which I don’t have here in front of me.) | |
| | JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO
| said by G_Poobah :For those who don't get it, it's would be like Ford selling me a car that can only carry one passenger. I think that's the wrong analogy. It's more like the local transit authority selling you a bus pass, and then you using it to get to work, loaning it to co-workers to run errands while you're at work, going home and loaning it to a friend to get to get back and forth to his night shift job, and loaning it out on your days off as well. Or, you might say it's like putting a splitter on your cable connection, and running wires to your neighbors, and maybe even to a large screen TV in a public area. Or maybe like sending identical quintuplets in to eat, one at a time, at an "all you can eat" buffet.
Internet service providers have gotten away from early (mostly dial-up) charging based on usage, but their models are based on presumptions about average use by one household. If too many individuals push the envelope, their model to offer affordable service to the average consumer starts to break down. Metering usage adds costs, and they'd hope to avoid having to add those costs to mass-market broadband. I think they're in a quandry that has to be appreciated, and on the other hand they have gone ahead and advertised things like "unlimited" broadband.
Let's think of it in terms of the large majority of average users who have moderate needs for broadband at an affordable price. How do you serve the vast majority of users, without saddling them with the costs of a small number of users who use bandwidth approaching one or more magnitudes of order greater than average, or with costs of metering and monitoring to somehow handle those exceptional users? Is that more or less unfair in the net than trying to keep costs down by cracking down on the small number of people who try to push the envelope on the marketing offer of "unlimited"? | |
| | | pinetree6
join:2005-06-13
Oakland, CA | Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. i agree.
don't advertise "unlimited" if you don't intend to provide it. | |
| | | | mallyman
join:1999-12-02
Kirkland, WA
| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. they ARE providing unlimited...
FOR YOU
not your friends and their friends and their friends...
the pricing model is built on that and if it was 'buy once, give to the neighborhood' you would see 500 monthly instead of 80.00
the bus pass analogy fits best here... you can use your bus pass for your OWN activities... but for others to 'share' it is not part of the deal... | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| My analogy was correct. I purchased a car that CAN carry 8 people, but according to Fords 'terms of service', only I can use the car by myself. If I choose to ignore that rule, and carry 8 people means that Ford lost 7 'potential sales', thus if you make EVERYONE follow Fords 'terms of service', then all 7 of my passengers would need to purchase their own Ford cars. My bringing them with me (sharing) is causing lost revenue (lost sales) to Ford.
The tupperware argument has no basis. We are talking about a 'transient service', not a physical good. Every instant in time, it's either being used or not being used. If it's not being used, then it's lost forever, that's what 'transient' means. Completely different concept than physical goods. You can't apply the arguments of 'physical loss' to this, only 'potential loss'. Very well defined in case law.
The transient authority is a good analogy. If I buy a pass to the Metro in DC, I can use it all I want. In fact, I can give it out to my friends, and it's violation of terms of service. But wait, I can't use the pass when my friend has it, so, am I really in violation? I would argue no, since I can't physically use the pass while my friend has it. It's the same with internet access. If my 'friend' is using all 500Kb of download, then guess what, I can't download! It's simple enough to understand, but is it wrong? no.. I paid for 500kb of download service. Period.
What people are trying to argue is that it's legally wrong. It's 100% NOT legally wrong. I paid for the service, I can use the service the way I SEE FIT, terms of service be damned. PERIOD.
Is it morally wrong? Hmm.. maybe, but maybe not. Morals are very subjective.
Is it unprofitable for the business that sold me this service? Absolutely. Will the business use doublespeak and lies to try and prevent this, and improve their bottom line? I sure hope so, otherwise I wouldn't want to be a shareholder.
Be sure to separate moral/religious beliefs from legal beliefs. If they advertise 'unlimited access', then LEGALLY, I can use the unlimited as unlimited. If they don't like it, then they just need to remove the words 'unlimited' from their advertising, and clearly define what I can/cannot do with their service. So pray tell me why they haven't done that?
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| | | Dexter9999
join:2002-12-11
Somerville, NJ
| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. I think Verizons statement below covers the legal aspect, in that it says the service is for Individual use and not to be resold.
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess: NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications such as customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess is for individual use only and not for resale. Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess cannot be used: (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games; (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, without limitation, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, telemetry applications, automated functions or any other machine-to-machine application; or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions automatically terminate after two hours of inactivity unless used with a Mobile IP-capable device. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone who uses NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term. BroadbandAccess kilobyte usage may not appear on your bill.
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| | | | stufried
Premium
join:2003-10-13
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| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. The agreement says that I cannot use it is as a backup for my broadband. The provision states that:
"Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess cannot be used: (* * * (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections."
Literally read, I cannot use their broadband in any place where private lines or dedicates data connections are available. Certainly, that means that if my cable modem goes down, don't even think about using their card at home. Arguably, it could be read to say that I couldn't use it at a hotel that has paid broadband in the room or in a Starbucks.
The problem is that the terms and conditions are written so poorly that they can apply the Rorscharch (sp?) inkblot school of contract construction -- they can twist it to mean whatever they think it means. | |
| | | | | Dexter9999
join:2002-12-11
Somerville, NJ
| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. You're right...the agreement is vague...probably intentionally. In any event, no one forced me to agree to it, but I did and I will abide by it.
I think what they mean in section 3 is that if you have a T1 line that you pay $600+/month for with a SLA and that line goes down, don't use this card as the backup. We for example use BRI ISDN in some cases for that purpose in remote offices.
We pay a lot of money for a T1 because the agreement we signed allows us to use it the way we want. This is the difference between a T1 with a Service Level Agreement and the EV-DO card that cost's $80/month. | |
| | | | | | stufried
Premium
join:2003-10-13
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| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. I understand their complaint about running an office off an EVDO line Conversely, if my wife and I share the connection in a hotel room, I'm not sure what the complaint is. I suspect that there wouldn't be one, but you are always at their mercy.
Verizon should give thought to making these mobile hotspots legit. I'm sure that a number of limo companies, charter bus companies, and companies that regularly do trade shows, etc. would be very interested in this service. | |
| | | | | | | Dexter9999
join:2002-12-11
Somerville, NJ
| Re: Verizon just doesn't get it. I also suspect that they wouldn't give you a hard time about sharing the connection with your wife (what you do in the hotel room is your business,) but how to you write that into a TOS? That's why the TOS is so broad.
Verizon may be interested in letting a limo/bus etc. resell the servie, but not at $80/month. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | this will be so slow... ....it won't really matter. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: this will be so slow... That's my thought.
Oh no, some guy is splitting 300kbps between two people! The very strain could rattle the core of the Internet itself! | |
| | | stonecolddsl
Linux Junkie
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL | Re: this will be so slow... Where I live the evdo (tampa bay area) runs 500 ~ to 1.5 I run download test of compressed file and was getting about 1.2 mbps when I did the math. But I am sure there are more conjested areas like NY where they are lucky to get 300kbps. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: this will be so slow... Yes, maximum burst can be up to 2.4Mbps...but on average speeds are closer to 500kbps. Yeah though, that's based on data from the San Diego and DC deployments. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
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| Re: this will be so slow... Of course, but their alternative is to cap, throttle, and generally be legal PITAs, which isn't too wise from a competitive or PR standpoint, IMO.
It was the same complaint cable companies had when Wi-Fi emerged, and we posted stories about cable lawyers sending legal threats to people with open hotspots. AT&T Broadband would even have engineers fly over neighborhoods looking for open hotspots in the early days.
They eventually learned to deal with it. As will 3G providers. | |
| | | | | Chewyrobbo
join:2005-04-12
Tacoma, WA
| Re: this will be so slow... My father works for boeing, and when you work for boeing you get a HUGE discount on Verizon Wireless service, we were able to get an E815 EVDO phone for 14.99 free activation.
Anyways, because of the way cellular networks divy up spectrum, verizon has to have a TOS like that. As someone mentioned there are bursts of higher speeds but when more people get on, of course it goes slower.
I understand their viewpoint becuase bandwidth hogs make it difficult for them to give advertised speeds. EVDO aircards and $80 service are going to be business users who need VPN and maximum availability, not bittorrent users who have to have the latest download then and there, so most people will acutally use the service according to the terms of the TOS, only a select few will actually abuse it. | |
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jaxdomino
join:2001-12-01
Jacksonville, FL
| Cudos to the guy... The guy invented this Junxion Box should be given some type of award for having the forethought to create such an interesting piece of equipment. If VZW was smart, they would do like BellSouth is rumourd to be doing with Vonage and that is to buy 'em. | |
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Dan
Hamilton Tigers?
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Eh?
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| I understand Verizon's position because, what if this were to catch on?
More people sharing, and less people buying?
Verizon is a company, and it's mission whether we like it or not is to make... MONEY! Something that is going to effect the company's revenue, and it's growth is definately something to understand.
Sure you maybe bringing in money from other avenues (DSL, POTS, FIOS (still costing them) and Mobile) they still want to make sure each of it's division's are profitable.
I know for us the consumer that sound like bunk, and we should come first, that's not how it works. I know, it sucks.
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evdo-bob
@pacbell.n
| Wifi Sharing and Verizon hates it. Guys, remember when dsl first came out.. the BELLS tried to charge PER seat... they finally gave up... the public is always more powerful. and ya know what the BELLS lost SOME money but made a LOT MORE.
Verizon is just cautious now because they havent made back the billions invested so far.
If Sprint and Verizon are not happy now, they'll be less happy when this high efficiency MIS Grade EVDO Router Dominates the Market... at »evdo-coverage.com its NOT built on Linux.. its built on VXWorks .. just like Cisco Routers... | |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Re: Wifi Sharing and Verizon hates it. said by evdo-bob:Guys, remember when dsl first came out.. the BELLS tried to charge PER seat... they finally gave up... the public is always more powerful. and ya know what the BELLS lost SOME money but made a LOT MORE. Verizon is just cautious now because they havent made back the billions invested so far. If Sprint and Verizon are not happy now, they'll be less happy when this high efficiency MIS Grade EVDO Router Dominates the Market... at » evdo-coverage.com its NOT built on Linux.. its built on VXWorks .. just like Cisco Routers... What makes you think that link you just provided isn't a Verizon owned site? Check the whois information for it. It is proxy owned.
The site looks like a Verizon advertizement to me.
VXWorks? Cisco Routers are built on VXWorks? O'tay... and you also seem to feel that VXWorks is more reliable than Linux? O'tay... and you've got how much experience developing firmware?
Crap, just another damn Verizon shill posting anonymously.
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| VZ got sucked in... There is one big problem with VZ complaining about this: No one is actually really doing this!
And its not likely to become widespread. Why? There are plenty of existing static access points which people will use for free. And having a static location makes a lot more sense when you're trying to leech WiFi. Just think: is VZ really worried about someone who would have to be running down the street just to keep connection with the guy who has a wireless AP in his backpack?
Verizon just reacted to an article about the backpack mobile AP in a knee-jerk fashion.
The only time a mobile AP may become handy is in a bus, or train. Just walking down the street, the chances of someone connecting to you is virtually nill - because by the time they'd find you you're already someplace else. | |
| | slicemaster
join:2001-12-14
Newbury Park, CA
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3 edits | Re: VZ got sucked in... My stance is that if a person signs up for Verizon data services they buy the right to use all the bandwidth allocated to them for use by the service (which isn’t all that much by the way), and it makes no difference what they choose to do with it. It is their right as a paying customer. It is not like they are using more bandwidth then they are paying for so in my mind it is completely ok if someone wants to share that type of connection over WiFi.
Slice
P.S. Using Verizon’s logic in this case, we shouldn’t be able to use a router on our home DSL or cable connection. | |
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DzNutz420
@qwest.net
| Re: VZ got sucked in... I think we are all missing the real base of VZW's argument-
It is not a matter of a legal argument. Nor is it moral - It is how the issue applies to the TOS that VZW has outlined. If they clearly note in their TOS that the user is not to share their internet conenction or use in connection as a server, then they have the right to terminate your services. The customers continued use of the VZW product is, as stated in just about every TOS I have seen, is an agreement to the policies stated in the curremt TOS. They also note that it is the customers responsibility to keep updated on the current TOS.
Yes, trying to stay updated on TOS's is a pain in the butt. Especially when you use many different services with TOS's.
And I think an AP could (possibly) qualify as a server. If VZW has a problem with it, then they should clear up that cloud as to if an AP is a server or not.
IMHO, I agree that you should be able to use a service that you pay for however that you want. But I dont run VZW. | |
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Andrew J
Premium
join:2001-11-09
Lancaster, PA
clubs: | That exec couldn't find 20 people anywhere that want to share 300K. People buying one Tic Tac and sharing it with 20 friends is more likely to happen.
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Verizon is shipping W327's unsecured ... and thereby creating a hotspot at every single DSL drop they install ... and they take issue with this?
Who the hell is running that POS anyway? There are thousands of Westel 327 units installed in eastern Virginia, and 9 of ten are wide open, running DHCP, and willing to service anyone who asks for a connection and Verizon takes issue with someone purchasing their service and giving access to their friends via a backpack?
LOL, I'm dying here ... Classic, brain dead network engineering at it's finest.
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| barky
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join:2001-03-17
San Diego, CA
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jimKetchel
@nationwide.com
| The topic here is essentially the Doctrine of First Use, which dates back almost as far as the Magna Carta.
Simply put, it states that the purchaser has the right to decide when/where/why/how to use the product that they purchased.
To go back to the car analogy, it would be like GM telling you to give back their cars after using them. Ok, so they did that with the EVO-1, bad example.
It would be GM telling me I can't take out the driver airbag in my car, because my wife is too small (to enable her to sit far enough away) to make it safe. Ok, so they do that too, bad example.
It would be like Cingular selling a Motorola phone, then disabling all the Bluetoth features so that you have to pay to download photos, etc. OK, so they did that too, bad example.
They do it so much, I can't think of a good example. Unless maybe you count borrowing CD's from the library to burn to my iTunes library....oh @#$%, here we go again! | |
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kevin25a
join:2001-10-19
Livermore, CA
| Unlimited Unlimited -
Having no restrictions or controls
Having or seeming to have no boundaries
Without qualification or exception
Limited -
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess: NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications such as customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess is for individual use only and not for resale. Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess cannot be used: (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games; (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, without limitation, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, telemetry applications, automated functions or any other machine-to-machine application; or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.
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| robert5925
join:2005-02-23
Minneapolis, MN
|  Dropping you for streaming media?
I would be surprised if they told me I could not use my devices for streaming music or video since that is a big advertising point for the evdo broadband service. Doesn't Verison advertise similar features? I understand that the bandwidth from a phone could be less than bandwidth from the card but it doesn't have to be, the both are capable of the same speeds. Dose verison offer streaming music or video services? If so, will they drop you for using it since it states that in the TOS? | |
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