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Chicago, IL
clubs: | caps? im sure they are going to implement dl and ul caps with those kind of speeds. | |
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Phoenix2088
join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
clubs: | Re: Can someone tell me what cities are live? Visit »www.utopianet.org/, and on the left hover over member cities. | |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
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join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Can someone tell me what cities are live? Those are the cities that are part of the project, not necessarily ones that are live, yet. We're still in the early stages of rollout.
Currently hot on UTOPIA: A large portion of Orem (middle to southern, mostly). Lower central Lindon. And this month is seeing the activation of large quarters of Murray, with more zones coming on over the rest of the summer (Murray will have excellent penetration by early fall).
Closely following will be West Valley, Midvale and Payson. | |
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join:2004-01-22
united state
| My brother in law lives in Grant County, WA town of Ephrata. The local PUD installed FTTH for free two years ago, they call it Zipp Fiber and offer 8/4meg service with a static ip for $21.95month. It is just awesome. You can pick from several different isp's, phone companies and cable tv companies, all for very affordable prices, and there are no bundle requirements, you can get what services you want only. I swear if I could find a job over there, I would move just for this service. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Re: Can someone tell me what cities are live? And this is exactly how it should be in every city and every state across the nation. | |
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join:2002-05-29
West Jordan, UT
| Here are the cities.
UTOPIA
Brigham City
Cedar City
Cedar Hills
Centerville
Layton
Lindon
Midvale
Murray
Orem
Payson
Perry
Riverton
Tremonton
West Valley City
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MikeStammer
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Aurora, IL | I wish them the best We need more of this. I hope they succeed on a huge scale | |
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the niTz
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Sahuarita, AZ | mmmmm OMG 100 symmetrical for 100 wow | |
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Canada
| Re: mmmmm said by the niTz  :OMG 100 symmetrical for 100 wow sub $100
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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| Re: Legal warfare meant to delay fiber project Old_Repub the strategy and tactics Qwest is employing would it not have the risk of giving Qwest negative PR? considering the increasing customer service nightmares encountered practically everywhere due to large corporations, which are almost daily being looked upon more and more as the causes of...Where does one start to debate such a dilemma faced by corps.?
Their top flight staff of trial lawyers can't fight bad PR.Utopia would have every right to go public with the red tape and legal defense costs incurred by Qwest to either bankrupt Utopia or the effort to drive up consumer costs.
Does Qwest,after adding up the X's and O's believe negative PR will help add to their total of X and O to pad the bottom line.? Any ISP that drove up my costs with a different ISP,I sure as hell would not reward Qwest in this case any business nor my money.
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TKJunkMail
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| Re: Legal warfare meant to delay fiber project said by guitarzan :Old_Repub the strategy and tactics Qwest is employing would it not have the risk of giving Qwest negative PR? Does Qwest,after adding up the X's and O's believe negative PR will help add to their total of X and O to pad the bottom line.? Any ISP that drove up my costs with a different ISP, I sure as hell would not reward Qwest in this case any business nor my money. Unfortunately, you are an exception. Most customers won't care or will never even know the battle is going on. And Qwest, thru long experience realizes the apathy of most people will let them get away with tactics like this.
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winky
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join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: Legal warfare meant to delay fiber project Correct as usual King Friday.
Utopia, as any entity under siege from a large corporation should, needs to undertake a public information/full disclosure campaign. Running an "Informational" ad in local papers and perhaps television as a means of educating the public as to how their tax dollars are being spent in the mandatory legal rebuttal of Qwest's onslaught. I would suggest a portrayal of Qwest as a giant cranky toddler pitching a temper tantrum because he wants a toy that's not his.
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by guitarzan :Old_Repub the strategy and tactics Qwest is employing would it not have the risk of giving Qwest negative PR? Does Qwest,after adding up the X's and O's believe negative PR will help add to their total of X and O to pad the bottom line.? Any ISP that drove up my costs with a different ISP, I sure as hell would not reward Qwest in this case any business nor my money. Unfortunately, you are an exception. Most customers won't care or will never even know the battle is going on. And Qwest, thru long experience realizes the apathy of most people will let them get away with tactics like this. Old_Repub.? Why do you find it to be unfortunate on my part?It's not a trick question I don't intend it to be a flame or offend you., I can recall my hometown of Pa. oh lets say..A 1994 deal between the state of Pennsylvania and Verizon.?Perhaps if I may better Illustrate further.
In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state of Pennsylvania. The deal provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years clock in somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.
As part of that agreement, Bell Atlantic agreed to have 20% of the state broadband wired by 1998, and 50% by 2004. By 2015, broadband would be run throughout the state to the majority of Verizon's customers. It's important to note that this wasn't DSL they were talking about...but 45MB/s symmetrical fiber service right to the door of homes and businesses,
Out of the 2.1 billion dollars received in the deal, $1.5 billion of it consisted of extra tax deductions.
The state essentially allowed Verizon to completely ignore the agreement, keep all financial incentives, and provide state-wide connectivity via copper lines, ignoring the language of the original agreement.
Commissioner Glen Thomas, speaking in fluent lobby-eese, defended his ruling: "As Pennsylvania considers its telecommunications policy of the future, I believe that our collective energies will be best spent on creating a climate that allows factors such as competition and demand to flourish." Application of such 'energies' apparently doesn't include holding companies accountable for billions in profits already pocketed for services that were never deployed.Is that what you refer to.?
Were it available to me right now,based on principle.I would decline fios.Yes this is a copy and paste job from notes i keep.Sales reciepts, pay stubs,tax records neatly stored in my attic from 1970's-present day.Bats in my belfry you say.? probably
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| Re: Legal warfare meant to delay fiber project Not unfortunate on YOUR part. That may have been poorly worded. I meant to say that it is unfortunate that more people aren't like you. Most will be totally apathetic and companies like Qwest get away with murder because most customers are either ignorant or don't care.
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CableConvert
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join:2003-12-05
Atlanta, GA
| I might agree with your conclusion if not for the fact that its starting to go live. I think these tactics (like BS in LA) were designed to kill it before it got off the ground. They did not succeed here. This is obviously "of the ground". Once the so called genie is out of the bottle, I would think it far better that they play nice and be seen as a team player | |
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AboutBell1
AboutBell
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join:2004-12-13
| If you can't beat em.... Qwest should spend less time and energy on lawyers and more on being innovative and finding ways to benefit from the service.
In Sweden, the fiber pipes are publicly owned and the services using it are privately run. Kinda like regular highways. | |
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RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
1 edit | Cedar City Cedar City, really? They are a ways from that other cluster you metioned. That's cool though! What about towns in between there, like Nephi and Beaver? | |
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join:2004-10-13
Frazee, MN
| Re: Cedar City The cities in Utah who didn't join, such as Salt Lake City did not want to use sales tax revenue to gurantee the bonds issued to pay for the project. Bascially, they didn't want to risk FTTH being a bust.
There is another project called iProvo, which is seperate from UTOPIA and will be built throughout the city by next summer. $40 for 10 Mb up/down. | |
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Eric Martin
join:2005-06-19
66308 | Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' And the drug companies tried to stop the product from the market. Same analogy even if you pure capitalists don't like it.
The price and speed are not what i expected though. You need more speed for that price. | |
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join:2004-01-01
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' QWEST... rrrrrr makes me angry. I wish i could pull out my voodoo doll for qwest and stab IT it the back. (it wouldn't cripple qwest through, because their network is already crippled.. I'm actually MOVING to a town with utopia just for the triple play services, and tell qwest and comcast to take their lines from my home forever! -on a side note, Mstar.net is 40 a month for 10 up/down, xmission is 45 for the same thing. (i don't think mstar is capping though, xmission usually caps dsl so maybe fiber as well??) but sign me up | |
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join:2004-06-07
Rigby, ID
| Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' So is this project going to be overseen by the government or was it that only tax monies were used to fund it?
If only tax dollars were used but it's being offered by independant ISP's I'd consider it a good thing. I don't agree however with the government running a network like that. It gives them far too much leeway on what they can and cannot eavesdrop on communications wise when they own it  . That and I think government projects have a nasty habit of being overbudget and overhyped . | |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
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join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' said by nerdboy789 :So is this project going to be overseen by the government or was it that only tax monies were used to fund it? If only tax dollars were used but it's being offered by independant ISP's I'd consider it a good thing. That's exactly what UTOPIA is. The government is in no way part of the project. Its a low cost, municipal infrastructure on which private businesses may offer service.
Think of an airport. Its the same situation. The airport is a municipally funded infrastructure on which privately owned and operated Airlines offer service. UTOPIA is just like that. | |
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' This is what is called an open access model. It is still considered municipal broadband because the munis obviously funded the infrastructure with tax dollars, even though private companies are operating across the network. In UT is is against the law for the muni to compete.
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woodward
XMission Broadband
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join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
3 edits | Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' said by jjcrandall on a side note, Mstar.net is 40 a month for 10 up/down, xmission is 45 for the same thing. (i don't think mstar is capping though, xmission usually caps dsl so maybe fiber as well??) but sign me up
The home package that ISPs are offered for resale to residential customers includes 100GB of data transfer a month. That is a UTOPIA charge, and if any provider intends to stay in business, that limit that will be passed on to the consumer. We are billed by UTOPIA for overages. | |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' said by woodward :The home package that ISPs are offered for resale to residential customers includes 100GB of data transfer a month. That is a UTOPIA charge, and if any provider intends to stay in business, that limit that will be passed on to the consumer. We are billed by UTOPIA for overages. That's about 1 day's transfer at full speed (UL or DL only). | |
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join:2004-01-01
Salt Lake City, UT | Thankyou for clearing that up. It was very hard to find any information on UTOPIA's website concerning the caps. | |
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA | What are the overage charges? and what sort of units do they bill in?
is there any absolute "you used too much!" they cut you off, or slow your speed level? Or can you use as much as you are willing to pay for? | |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' said by tshirt :What are the overage charges? and what sort of units do they bill in? is there any absolute "you used too much!" they cut you off, or slow your speed level? Or can you use as much as you are willing to pay for? from the Xmission web page, additional transfer can be purchased in 10 Gb buckets for $10.
If they don't cut off access at some point, that means that pricing for their service is between $45 to around $6000/month, depending on usage. | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| said by Eric Martin :The price and speed are not what i expected though. You need more speed for that price. Less than a dollar per megabit per second is a good price! I wish that kind of speed were here, but with SBC... well...
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woodward
XMission Broadband
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join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' said by jimbo2150 :said by Eric Martin :The price and speed are not what i expected though. You need more speed for that price. Less than a dollar per megabit per second is a good price! I wish that kind of speed were here, but with SBC... well... I'm genuinely interested in hearing where he gets faster than symmetric 10Mbps for under $50, or 100Mbps for less than $100.
My Comcast bill is ~$70/mo for 6Mbps/768k. With bundled discounts, I could lop about $10 off that. But UTOPIA services will also have bundled discounts in the future when video and voice are ready for prime time, too. | |
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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| You don't consider $40 for 10 Mb up/down a good deal per month at a cost of $40 or the 10Mb/10Mb speed.?
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by Eric The price and speed are not what i expected though. You need more speed for that price. quote:
What would be a good deal for speed Vs cost.? IMO that would be a swinging deal Verzions fios may have more Mb down in that price range yet that 10Mb up sure looks sweet.I pay $40 per month for an advertised 1500/384 down/up now.Did i overlook something,that would make 10/10 @$40 a bad deal?
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66308 | Re: Imagine if Utopia had a drug for 'CANCER' I was hoping for 20-30 a month and 20 megabits as a starter with future speeds of 100 meg/bits sec. | |
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join:2004-01-01
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: Hmm. Qwest will NEVER upgrade 100% in Utah, or even in a majority of the areas. Qwest controlls the Largest network in america (area covered sq. miles) and probally the smallest populated area at that. it's probally just to expensive for a company to run that much of anything. Qwest needs to get on the ball. They have been saying since 1996 that they serve DSL in the Salt Lake City Metro area, but still many area's (I'd even say over 50%) still don't get DSL | |
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join:2002-08-16
Lompoc, CA
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| Good Here in Lompoc Ca, they are laying fiber for our next phase of muni broadband. So far they havent released any speeds fr the fiber yet but the wi-fi is $20 for 1mb symmetrical. I'm all for it. They say fiber will cover everything (TV, VoIP, internet) for $80 a month. | |
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join:2004-07-29 | Sounds good... ...but I wonder especially since it is Utah what type of pressures a municipal internet service will be under to censor sites that "concern" certain loud citizens? | |
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mikemadsen
join:2005-04-27
Orem, UT
| Only One I've had the fiber in Orem, Utah for about three months now. You get about half the speeds advertised by the ONLY ISP on the fiber network--MStarMetro, so much for competition--anyone out there want to throw in some equipment in Lindon, Utah at the Canopy buildings and give these guys some competition because I'm getting sick of waiting for XMission to do it... MStar's customer service is crap...oh, and the latency is abysmal--due to MStar riding on cruddy XO networks. I think folks have forgotten about the old latency issue again... | |
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Legal warfare meant to delay fiber project
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