Tivo Launches Fast-Forward AdsNot as huge and irritating as feared ( old news - 09:49AM Thursday Aug 04 2005) For some time Tivo has stated they intend to show banner ads when customers fast forward through traditional commercials. PVRBlog reports that the ads in question don't appear as irritating as many customers had feared ( screenshot). If you're interested in what the banner has to say, you simply click your thumbs-up button for additional information (which also shares your information with the company in question).
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | And here it comes.... The open door for the next company to completely crush TIVO. If I wanted ads, I wouldn't have bought a TIVO box. Period. | |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL | Re: And here it comes.... Don't sweat it. Give it a week and people will figure out how to disable it. Just like everything else they've thrown down the pike.
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv | Sadly my first Tivo will be my last. | |
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vonslatt
join:2001-07-17
Burlington, MA
| Re: And here it comes.... As long as I can see enough of the program when fast forwarding to know when to hit "play" I don't care what Tivo does with the rest of the screen.
But then, I'm a stockholder! 
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| | | | tbeckner
join:2004-03-20
Bend, OR
| Re: And here it comes.... said by vonslatt  :As long as I can see enough of the program when fast forwarding to know when to hit "play" I don't care what Tivo does with the rest of the screen. But then, I'm a stockholder! But why use fast forwarding, 30 second skip works better, even after 6.2 which has seemed to break 8 second backskip. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| said by Mactron :Sadly my first Tivo will be my last. Curious... what are you going to use instead of TiVo? And why? | |
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Sysadmin
NoBama
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-07
Sacramento, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| I don't think a small banner is that bad either. If this quote is right I can easily ignore it or add the 30 second skip if that helps to bypass it.
said by from PVRBlog:
Posted by: Brian at August 3, 2005 03:51 PM
For those of you who don't have TiVo, "normal sized thumbs up" means it's quite small and in the upper right hand corner of the screen. It covers maybe 1/16th of the screen, sort of like a moderately more obtrusive version of those now-very-common network watermarks. The screenshot makes it look almost like it's covering the whole screen.
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Annon Tivo
@pegs.com
| Why everyone complains about ads i will never know. You can not tell me with a straight face the whole reason you bought a tivo was to skip ads. Thats complete bs and you and i know it, just like everyone else in the forum.
You bought tivo for the whole purpose of time shifting your material so you can watch it at a later date.
If you bought it to just skip ads you a fool and wasted your money. TIVO can and will do so much more. | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| said by Annon Tivo:
Why everyone complains about ads i will never know. You can not tell me with a straight face the whole reason you bought a tivo was to skip ads. Thats complete bs and you and i know it, just like everyone else in the forum. Skipping ads was probably reason #2, after timeshifting, why I bought my first VCR back in the early 1980's. For me, the problem with ads now is there are to damn many of them. Back in the 60's and early 70's, you had perhaps one minute of commercials at a break. No big deal. Now they waste anywhere from three to seven minutes of your life at a break and skipping has become a necessity. I remember about four or five years ago, the Sci-Fi channel was going to air all of the original Star Trek episodes unedited in their original broadcast length. Only problem was that with todays normal commercial breaks inserted, the 1960's programs would run about one hour and fifteen minutes. Go back to the old break lengths, quintuple the fees the advertisers pay to make up for it, and maybe skipping will be more hassle than it's worth.
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
·Comcast
| Re: And here it comes.... said by n2jtx :I remember about four or five years ago, the Sci-Fi channel was going to air all of the original Star Trek episodes unedited in their original broadcast length. Only problem was that with todays normal commercial breaks inserted, the 1960's programs would run about one hour and fifteen minutes. Go back to the old break lengths, quintuple the fees the advertisers pay to make up for it, and maybe skipping will be more hassle than it's worth. You're right about break lengths. I remember this as well. They had to devote 1.5 or 2 hours to each Star Trek episode just to fit it in (although granted, they also had commentary from Shatner and Nimoy between acts). Whenever I would see a local channel airing TOS before Sci-Fi bought up the rights, the channel would have to step on the show (cut scenes immediately prior to or after a commercial) in order to stuff all the advertising in, and that's even above and beyond the syndication cuts Paramount already made in the '60s to allow for the original commercials.
Primetime shows are the worst. Sometimes you'll have five minutes of ads, then one of the show's acts will only last ten minutes before you get more commercials.
For me, the reason I bought a TiVo was also mostly for time-shifting, but the commercial skipping ability has become my second favorite feature. With that said, I don't mind them putting small ad banners (like the one in the screenshot seen here, NOT those huge ones demoed a few months ago) up while I'm fast-forwarding. As long as I'm still able to fast-forward, and the picture isn't obscured by an ad (else, how am I supposed to see when to stop fast-forwarding?).
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| | | | | grumpygeek
join:2004-12-14
Houston, TX
| Re: And here it comes.... I bought a Tivo for exactly the same reason - I like watching what I want, when I want. Tampon commercials and dissertations on fungus medications are not included in "what I want to watch".
Commercials have been almost identical in proportion to show times - 9 minutes for a 30-minute show, 18-19 minutes for a 60-minute show, for several decades. The advertisers have gotten smarter about how to place them, though - that's why you'll see a 6-minute break right before some important plot twist, instead of a four-minute break 10 minutes before it.
One thing to keep in mind is that the networks exist to sell commercial advertising; their method for selling that advertising is to surround it with programming that will catch eyeballs. | |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Camelot One :The open door for the next company to completely crush TIVO. If I wanted ads, I wouldn't have bought a TIVO box. Period. Its a little pricey, but since you don't need a monitor really and you can use it for any feature you would like besides DVR, you can make a kick-ass DVR with multiple tuners by building a PC with 2 TV cards, a good powerful videocard, a large harddrive, a $20 firewire card if you want to add more drivespace in the future, and the possibility to record everything on a DVD for roughly $1,000 to $1,500, depending on how high-end you want to go.
Don't really need a monitor, although a $199 15" TFT screen for extra information may be nice. Hook the bad boy up to your TV and you are all set. You can buy HDTV, Digital TV cards these days, and on top of all of it if you attach a joystick to the machine you can use it as your very own PC-Gaming console in the livingroom!
And you get to pick what software you use. You can even make a Linux Box and skip Microsoft's Media Center Edition and build a machine from scratch using Linux freeware and open sourse products.
A remote control set for PC's is $50 or so. Maybe $100 if you want a fancy one.
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| | Marckus0513
Just Because
join:2003-01-11
Vernon, VT
·Verizon Online DSL
| I have had TIVO for 2 years now and love it. I love the season pass feature. I use it to record the shows I like so I can watch them when I have time. Yes, the fact that I can FF over the commercials is awesome and I use it all of the time. However, this new thing TIVO is doing placeing banners on the screen when I FF thru the commercials does not bother me in the least bit. Lets get real...WHO CARES!!!!!!! You guys make it seem like these banner ads are going to permanently harm you or something. Yes, we pay 13 bucks a month for the service, but that is for far more than strictly the ability to FF thru commercials. Hey, guess what, we are still able to FF thru commercials guys. So what if you see a banner ad on the screen along with the commercials zipping past. It will still take the same amount of time to get to the next part of the program you are watching as it did before. So its not like you will have to waste one more milli-second watching your program than you did before (heaven forbid).
In reality it appears that the only thing you guys really have to complain about is the principle of it all. Big deal, occasionally there is a commercial I might like to get more info on anyways. Like it or not it is the commercials that pay for the TV we have today, and for many of the other things we anjoy today free or not. Hey, if TIVO needs to make a little more money to survive and improve their service go for it. The networks are certainly putting more and more commercials into that 60 minute time span and less programming. Face it people, some sort of commercials or ads are everywhere you look!! Noone seems to think twice about paying 10 bucks or more to go see a movie at a theater. Hmmmm, lets see, first I get to see the theaters ads for their overpriced popcorn and candy, then I get to watch 10 minutes or more of trailers which are nothing more than entertaining ads, then the movie...but wait!!! More and more movies have nicely placed products that are just begging me to buy them. I pay quite a bit of money a month for my CATV service yet 25% or more of the programming is advertisements.
If you guys are willing to give up the great features that TIVO has to offer because of a few seconds (literally) of having to see a banner ad during your FF operation then go for it. One of two things is going to happen. Either we put up with commercials of some type or we are all going to be paying a ton of money for commercial free TV. I prefer the TIVO way myself and will continue to use my TIVO and pay for it even with the commercial banners.
Relax people...Everything is going to be alright!!
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| Tivo ads If you're interested in what the banner has to say, you simply click your thumbs-up button for additional information (which also shares your information with the company in question).
I don't have a Tivo,for those who do.What information is shared.?
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
1 edit | Re: Tivo ads Oh please, some of you guys act like TiVo just stole your candy from you. To be honest it won't change much of your viewing habits. You'll still be able to fast forward through commericals, only difference is when you do a little box will pop up asking if you'd like to see a particular commercial.
And when it comes to GM commercials I'd surely hit the thumbs up. I just love that GM commercial featuring the G6 and Solstice. Very hot.
But personally, I don't belive its gonna hurt TiVo at all. If this extra revenue helps TiVo Stay afloat them im all for it as long as im not forced to sit through commericals. | |
| | | ottawa_guy
join:2005-06-03
Ottawa, ON
 ·Storm Internet
| Re: Tivo ads Thank god I don't have TIVO. I will have Rogers Video On Demand PVR service.
I would demand a full refund if that service were to be implemented because thats not what I agreed to when I bought the PVR in the first place.
Tivo should have a customer service number where you can call to get a full refund of your service. Thats not what you agreed to, so thats not what you have to put up with. | |
| | | black_ops
join:2001-12-24
Baltimore, MD
| Problem is that it just opens the door to other forms of advertising. One of original concepts of the TiVo in the first place was to be able to skip advertising. Now by compromising you will start to see other forms take shape.
I imagine this new form of advertising will only affect TiVo's that allow system updates as I seriously doubt it will affect anyone who has a hacked TiVo. | |
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Alpine
Premium
join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA
| Yeah, this really isn't a big deal. Get over it. A little box pops up in the corner of your screen - if you have a problem with that then you'll have a problem with everything (like 90% of the people on this site.)
If you want to keep TV prices to a (relative) minimum, ads have to be shown. We whine about the prices we pay for cable and satellite now, but imagine if most channels weren't ad-subsidized. Here comes a $250 a month cable bill...
So pipe down... | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Tivo ads It's principle that irks me more than the banner. Tivo, plain and simple, is double-dipping. They charge the consumer a monthly fee, and now they are profiting from advertisers as well (at our expense...)
They also p*ssed me off when they gave the multimedia option to everyone for free, leaving other Tivo subscribers who had previously paid for the same service, about a hundred dollars poorer. Where's my refund?
If they haven't turned a profit in 7 years, then adapt a more agressive marketing strategy. Don't screw the consumer.
said by Alpine :Yeah, this really isn't a big deal. Get over it. A little box pops up in the corner of your screen - if you have a problem with that then you'll have a problem with everything (like 90% of the people on this site.) If you want to keep TV prices to a (relative) minimum, ads have to be shown. We whine about the prices we pay for cable and satellite now, but imagine if most channels weren't ad-subsidized. Here comes a $250 a month cable bill... So pipe down... | |
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
| Re: Tivo ads Double dipping is exactly right. They are dinging their users for $13 a month and then still getting additional revenue from hosting ads. When an ad plays on normal TV, tivo doesn't get a kickback from that, so this is their way to get additional revenue. I would be pissed if I had a TIVO, I'm glad I have a Dish Network PVR | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| said by vangoatee :...Tivo, plain and simple, is double-dipping. They charge the consumer a monthly fee, and now they are profiting from advertisers as well (at our expense...).... Double-dipping. Oh, you mean like TBS, or The Weather Channel, or USA, or TNT, or...? You pay your cable or satellite provider for these channels, they pay the networks, and then the networks have the gall to interrupt the programming THAT YOU PAID FOR with ADVERTISING.  Of course this doesn't happen on HBO because HBO costs $12 month instead of $.10 a month. If you want the monthly fee for TiVo to be $50, then TiVo wouldn't need to do this. But there's a much simpler, cheaper answer... IGNORE THE POP-UPS!  Your eyes can't be THAT sensitive to advertising. If you use the 30 second skip, you're not seeing the ads now and guess what? You STILL won't see them. If you're using FF instead, you're "seeing" the ads NOW. You'll just have a new little "bug" in the corner to ignore. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Tivo ads said by vangoatee :You're kidding, right? The only thing that Tivo provides for the $12 a month subscription fee is sending a tv guide to your box every night. Who in their right mind would pay $50 a month for a tv guide? Other than that, I've paid for the box ($190,) I've paid for the multimedia service (which now they give to everyone for free...) how much more money do we need to throw at them before they learn to manage their money properly and turn a profit? It is NOT just a TV guide. It is a dynamic TV guide that keeps up with the programs that you told it you wanted to record on a regular basis and makes changes to your recording schedule accordingly. The service also checks this dynamic TV guide for shows which you told it you want to reord based on a list of criteria such as title, actor, director, etc., shows that were NOT in the guide at the time you first decided you wanted to record them. It can also recommend shows that it thinks you might want to watch based on your viewing/recording history. Now you may choose not to use one or more parts of the service, but that's your choice. It's still NOT just a TV guide. And if you don't want to pay what TiVo is charging for the service, then don't. And if enough people decide to drop the service or not sign up in the first place, then TiVo will have to change their business plan or fold up their tent and leave. | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Tivo ads All of what you mentioned (apart from the tv guide,) is all controlled by the software that is running on a "free" linux kernel that didn't cost Tivo anything. When I paid for my box, that software, along with the Tivo software came packaged with the unit...similar to the way a computer comes pre-loaded with Windows. You own that software. However the big difference here is that I can't control what goes on with the software on the Tivo box (such as ad banners,) whereas I can with my computer.
Plain and simple. The only thing Tivo gives you after you purchase the unit itself, is mere tv guide updates and occassional service updates. That is NOT worth $12 a month, AND it is wrong for them to double-dip by taking money for sponsor ads.
said by mwhitted :It is NOT just a TV guide. It is a dynamic TV guide that keeps up with the programs that you told it you wanted to record on a regular basis and makes changes to your recording schedule accordingly. The service also checks this dynamic TV guide for shows which you told it you want to reord based on a list of criteria such as title, actor, director, etc., shows that were NOT in the guide at the time you first decided you wanted to record them. It can also recommend shows that it thinks you might want to watch based on your viewing/recording history. Now you may choose not to use one or more parts of the service, but that's your choice. It's still NOT just a TV guide. And if you don't want to pay what TiVo is charging for the service, then don't. And if enough people decide to drop the service or not sign up in the first place, then TiVo will have to change their business plan or fold up their tent and leave. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Tivo ads said by vangoatee :All of what you mentioned (apart from the tv guide,) is all controlled by the software that is running on a "free" linux kernel that didn't cost Tivo anything. When I paid for my box, that software, along with the Tivo software came packaged with the unit...similar to the way a computer comes pre-loaded with Windows. You own that software. However the big difference here is that I can't control what goes on with the software on the Tivo box (such as ad banners,) whereas I can with my computer. Plain and simple. The only thing Tivo gives you after you purchase the unit itself, is mere tv guide updates and occassional service updates. That is NOT worth $12 a month, AND it is wrong for them to double-dip by taking money for sponsor ads. If it's not worth $12 a month to you, then don't pay $12 a month for it. Simple. But you KNEW it cost $12 a month before you bought the box. Or knew that it cost SOMETHING per month which could change at any time with the option of a lifetime subscription to hedge against future service price increases. Which ever, it is NOT wrong for TiVo to double, triple, or whatever "dip" to make money however they think they can as long as you still get what you paid for. And you are still getting what you paid for. | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Tivo ads I can accept the $12 a month fee, along with "moderately fair" price increases...I wouldn't have bought one in the first place if I didn't agree with it. I even have an additional one in the bedroom that I'm paying almost another $7 a month (for the same tv guide data as the downstairs tivo.)
I'm the type of guy who likes to pick his battles. I don't have very many battles, so the ones I do choose to pick are ones I feel are worth fighting for, either because of principle or fairness. Obviously, I don't find their business practice fair. It's also obvious to me that this is one subject that we'll have to agree to disagree.
said by mwhitted :If it's not worth $12 a month to you, then don't pay $12 a month for it. Simple. But you KNEW it cost $12 a month before you bought the box. Or knew that it cost SOMETHING per month which could change at any time with the option of a lifetime subscription to hedge against future service price increases. Which ever, it is NOT wrong for TiVo to double, triple, or whatever "dip" to make money however they think they can as long as you still get what you paid for. And you are still getting what you paid for. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI | Re: Tivo ads Agreed. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Tivo ads said by vangoatee :You have a cheap cable service then. If it were $.10 a channel per month, I'd only be paying $7 a month opposed to $60. said by mwhitted :said by vangoatee :Of course this doesn't happen on HBO because HBO costs $12 month instead of $.10 a month. You're not paying $60 for "Expanded basic" service. You should be paying ~$35-40 for that. The "basic" cable channels (TWC, Discovery, TBS, etc.) do vary from ~$.10 to $.50-.75/month. (Of course they cost the cable/satellite system less than that.) It looks like the cable system in your example only has 70 channels. Sounds kind of low. | |
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Tivo ads It is roughly 70 channels. I didn't include the "high speed internet bronze advantage pack" additional $42 a month that includes a bunch of useless music channels and internet access. The digital cable box is another $7.95 a month, which only gives me roughly 4 high definition channels. Then there's the $3 a month lease for the cable modem. Add in franchise fees, sales tax and FCC regulatory fees, I'm paying a whopping $118 a month for cable service. A little high if you ask me...
said by mwhitted :It looks like the cable system in your example only has 70 channels. Sounds kind of low. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Tivo ads said by vangoatee :It is roughly 70 channels. I didn't include the "high speed internet bronze advantage pack" additional $42 a month that includes a bunch of useless music channels and internet access. The digital cable box is another $7.95 a month, which only gives me roughly 4 high definition channels. Then there's the $3 a month lease for the cable modem. Add in franchise fees, sales tax and FCC regulatory fees, I'm paying a whopping $118 a month for cable service. A little high if you ask me... If you're paying $60 a month for roughly 70 channels, it's not a little high, it's WAY TOO high. One word for you my friend... satellite. Cut the cable. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
1 edit | said by Alpine :If you want to keep TV prices to a (relative) minimum, ads have to be shown. We whine about the prices we pay for cable and satellite now, but imagine if most channels weren't ad-subsidized. Here comes a $250 a month cable bill... So pipe down... What in god's name can you possibly be thinking? Are you under some crazy impression that TiVo in ANY way funds satellite, or cable, or TV programs? 'Cause they don't. (DirecTivo service bundling aside.) The "channels that are ad-subsidized" have absolutely NOTHING (that would be NOTHING) to do with the ads being pushed by Tivo now. It's a separate marketing layer.
You loud bullying twit.
Anyway, Microsoft and Dish Network tried this YEARS ago with the DishPlayer series, and they were eventually shamed into stopping it. (That, and it didn't make them any money.)
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vangoatee
Pool's Closed
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Newark, OH
| Re: Tivo ads I think he was making an analogy.
said by B :What in god's name can you possibly be thinking? Are you under some crazy impression that TiVo in ANY way funds satellite, or cable, or TV programs? 'Cause they don't. (DirecTivo service bundling aside.) The "channels that are ad-subsidized" have absolutely NOTHING (that would be NOTHING) to do with the ads being pushed by Tivo now. It's a separate marketing layer. You loud bullying twit.Anyway, Microsoft and Dish Network tried this YEARS ago with the DishPlayer series, and they were eventually shamed into stopping it. (That, and it didn't make them any money.) -- B | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Re: Tivo adsAn analogy? You mean that just as commercials keep cable TV prices low ( ) these new ads will keep Tivo prices low?
Okay; I didn't see that in the post but I suppose it's possible. Thanks.
Anyway, it's a doomed effort just as the MS/Dish Network effort before it.
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join:2004-08-31
Smithville, MO | Re: Tivo ads commercials keep broadcast TV free. | |
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH | What series Dish Network PVR did this, I don't remember it with any 5** series system? | |
| | | | | | | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Tivo ads said by Toadman :What series Dish Network PVR did this, I don't remember it with any 5** series system? Original DishPlayer 7100/7200 "WebTV" boxes. There would be a little icon pop up where you could press a button to get Web content relating to the show of ad that was playing. This was triggered by a string sent over a side band of the TV signal, like Closed Captioning. Some advertisers were sneaky and would send the signal right at the end of their ad so that the pop-up would actually appear into the NEXT ad.  | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: Tivo ads To be honest I don't know what info it is but I'll have to look it up but its my guess that its the same info that other companies get on you from the internet.
Do you honestly think that because its (not good PR) that companies are not still buying your personal info? Even more .......... these companies can hire other companies to dig up this info from the net. Not much is sacred anymore.
Well it would be my guess that TiVo already has this info, so they are sending your street address to the company thats placing the ad. But in my case if its GM they alreayd have my street and email address and phone. Nothing that is gonna jeopardize my standard of living.
If you don't have TiVo, then stop your bitchin. | |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| Re: Tivo ads said by NPGMBR :If you don't have TiVo, then stop your bitchin. Due to what other posters reavealed about tivo, I say thank you.!!
I would not subscribe to a service which was intended to skip commericals, LOL just to get ads or pop-ups, that ended my tivo investment.Your absolutely correct i have no reason to bitch tivo.
BTW The only info collected about me on the net is what my neutered browser shows, other than BBR having my info.I give nothing to any site or anyone.
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| | | | | mrtommassi
join:2003-05-14
Fort Myers, FL
| I've said once, and I'll say it again....
What I find incredible is that people actually PAY for this "service". Why would anyone employ a service that tracks what you watch, and how much you watch it? Hell, they should pay YOU for all of that valuable viewing information that they harvest every time they connect to up/down data to "your/their" machine. Certainly, everyone here seems to be tech savvy enough so at know how setup the recording schedule on their VCR or DVRs? Contrary to what you believe, TIVO is NOT your friend, but is in fact a parasite.
That's my opinion.
regards,
rollo tomassi
"press to test....release to detonate" | |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| Re: Tivo ads said by mrtommassi :I've said once, and I'll say it again.... What I find incredible is that people actually PAY for this "service". Why would anyone employ a service that tracks what you watch, and how much you watch it? Hell, they should pay YOU for all of that valuable viewing information that they harvest every time they connect to up/down data to "your/their" machine. Certainly, everyone here seems to be tech savvy enough so at know how setup the recording schedule on their VCR or DVRs? Contrary to what you believe, TIVO is NOT your friend, but is in fact a parasite. That's my opinion. regards, rollo tomassi "press to test....release to detonate" yup looks like spyware to me after reading the privacy policy. Thumbs Up !
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| i wanted a Tivo I had considered getting a Tivo, but I think I'll pass now. The only way they'll get me is to give me a break off the monthly fee, which is already too high. Look, if I have to sit through ads, then I should be rewarded for that. Cut the fee, and maybe I'll bite.
Is anyone else out there getting fee-fatigue? It seems that we end up paying more and more monthly fees, especially for telecom and entertainment services. A few months ago, I was paying for:
Digital cable: $60
Landline: $26
DSL: $60
Cell phone: $56
That really adds up every month. I decided to downgrade to basic cable, replace the DSL with cable Internet, and ditch the landline. Getting Tivo was appealing to me, but I just can't stomach yet another monthly fee, at least not $13. Make it $5, and I might go for that. | |
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Alpine
Premium
join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA
| Re: i wanted a Tivo You don't have to sit through anything. It's just a little icon at the top corner of your screen while you're fast forwarding. It doesn't delay you at all. You probably won't even notice it after a few hours. Some of you babies whine like they're beating you with a stick...
Pitiful... | |
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Unregistered user
| Re: i wanted a Tivo Alpine, you missed my point. I don't care how intrusive the ad is. What I said is that, if they're going to throw ads at me, then they need to look into cutting the monthly fee, which, IMHO is too high.
And yes, I know, Tivo is in the red. However, how many people choose not to buy because of the fee being as high as it is? If they lower it, they will get more subs, which will bring in more revenue. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| I just depends on the individual. I haven't have a land line for more than a year now, have basic cable, and my $12 TiVo subscription. I see most of my movies via Netflix although I see many in theaters as well.
I know some people that still have landlines, pay for Digital cable, and internet, cell phone ........ an amazing value to you at only $199.99 per month.
Additionally, I know some folks that also pay for AOL, REAL One and other crap that they hate paying for but still do because they don't want to loose the service. So its all up to the individual to decide how they wish to spend their cash. | |
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Unregistered user
| Re: i wanted a Tivo Agreed. It all depends on each person's tolerance. Frankly, I can't see how some people do it. I mean, in addition to the services you and I have already mentioned, there's stuff like satellite radio, mobile e-mail (Blackberry/Palm), and XBOX Live, just to name a few. Not that any of these aren't useful to those who sub to them, but the cost really does add up quickly. I'd love to have Netflix, but that's yet another monthly fee. | |
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Chaoswar
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Northlake IL
| Eh... Much to do about nothing. The ad is non-invasive and doesn't impede the function of fast forward. Anyone arguing that this is a great inconvenience to them is ridiculous. If you're arguing simply on principle that's a different story.
I've owned a Tivo since they first came out. I've loved the product from the beginning, I still do! The ad system is an additional means to make money. Revenue is very important to a company and as this is a capitalistic country I applaud Tivo for trying to maximize their return.
Personally, I realize that I pay for the outlet and not the content of my television programming. The group that pays for that content is advertisers. Realizing this, I do not begrudge a small ad displayed while fast forwarding which simply disappears after pressing play.
I want to keep my tivo and it's service and this is a SMALL price to pay. | |
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chesney09
Premium
join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs:
| People just like to argue and whine... If you look at damn near anything that is posted in NEWS, etc..
There are ALWAYS the bashers, Trollers, and people who just genuinely like to argue.
If you don't like the lil Thimps up if you want more info Banner Ad.. Drop your service.
This isn't going to affect fast forwarding, viewing, etc. It's a corporate sponsored world.. This is really nothing new and shouldn't be surprising.
Any of you read the Vonage outage thread? It is full of Bashers and threats of this is SH!T and I am going to cancel too.. Blah blah blah.. Everything changes, SH!T happens, and it isn't really worth stressing out unless it is really a problem. If Tivo was ramming a full screen ad up your nose when FFin.. I could see some valid gripe material. It's a stupid corner icon.
I am glad to hear it isn't as big of a deal as it was thought to be... Tivo is and has changed how everyone watches TV.. Seems to have been worth it to me! | |
| petecellar
join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA | spare me... The whole Tivo created a revolution b.s.
ReplayTV always was, and still is far superior. | |
| | chesney09
Premium
join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs: | Re: spare me... Yea.. So much superior.. I ask.. Where is it now? | |
| | | taar
join:2000-11-21 | Re: spare me... Alive and well. I have 6 of them. They all automatically skip commercials and do other fancy stuff!! Love my replays!! | |
| | | petecellar
join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA
| said by chesney09 :Yea.. So much superior.. I ask.. Where is it now? Well, 3 of them in my house. smartass.
Haven't watched a commercial I haven't wanted to in years.
They'd be the industry standard if they hadn't been sued out of business by the Entertainment Industry. | |
| | | | chesney09
Premium
join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs:
| Re: spare me... Ok.. "SmartA$$" you have 9 Replay TV's units accounted for.... You definitely put me in my place.. Geeez.. What was I thinking. Replay TV is such a player in the DVR market! Actually.. I think Microsoft Media Center probably has a bigger market presence that Replay.
Thumbs up to you! | |
| | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| said by petecellar :The whole Tivo created a revolution b.s. ReplayTV always was, and still is far superior. Sure, that's why people genericly say "I ReplayTVed that". Oops! Oh, no, they say "I TiVoed that". Hmm... Maybe ReplayTV IS superior. And maybe Beta is superior to VHS. In the end, does it matter? If the "superior" option fails to capture the market? | |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Hmm Are the same people who are annoyed by this ad, annoyed by the little progress bar that pops up while you are fast forwarding?
I mean, sheesh, it is a little stupid graphic, as long as it doesn't slow down my fast forwarding, I could care less.
It isn't like when you FFW the commercials you don't actually SEE the commercials anyway, you just see them faster.
If it really bothers you so much, close your eyes while you fast forward or just install the 30 second skip hack that everyone including my grandmother knows about.
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: LOL! That's fine if you want to watch TV on your PC monitor, or put a Windows machine in your living room. The great thing about Tivo is that it just works. It's a PC running Linux that I don't have to maintain, and it's so quiet I don't even hear it running.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Why this is a BAD thing to have.. The fundamental problem is that tivo is changing what they sold you. I own one of the original tivo's (and a replay 4000's, which is waaaay better), but only leave the tivo on for obscure shows). I bought the tivo to time shift, which is correct. I also bought it to SKIP ADS. Period.. What part of 'I don't want to see any advertisements' doesn't tivo get? I paid for the lifetime subscription, and now they are changing the terms of service. Well then, I want a refund.
Who controls what YOU watch on TV? You, or the corporation? It's as simple as that. If you think that skipping commercials is 'stealing', then your probably agree with Tivo's changes. If you believe that you have the right to view what you PAID FOR, when you want it, the way you want it, then Tivo is absolutely wrong.
The future, of course, is the myth-tv and it's ilk. I record High-Def shows, then convert them to high quality divx, and record the entire season to DVD's, which play back on my Apex Divx Player perfectly. Entire seasons! Oooh, HBO doesn't get to rip me off and try and charge me an additional 300.00 per season for 6 feet under, I've already recorded it in perfect quality. Pretty much everything myth-tv does is offensive to the MPAA, but, umm, noone cares! I paid for the signal, I record the signal. They can go to hell if they think they own it once I've paid for it. Gotta love open source.
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Re: Why this is a BAD thing to have.. When you FFW through the ad's, what are you looking at on your TV? | |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| G_Poobah I thank you for making an excellent point and post regarding the principal of the issue. Cheers G !!
You see, when i "blew a gasket" earlier today, it caused a brain fart, observing how quickly excuses can be made in favor of corporations doing bullshit like this.Sure is easy to say don't like it, cancel the darn thing.If you don't have the service-quit bitching.Since when did one have to "join the club" to bitch what corporations do? /rant off
Rant not directed at you G
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA | Tivo equals spyware? you simply click your thumbs-up button for additional information (which also shares your information with the company in question).That sounds like Spyware to me.
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Go_Offline
join:2001-10-12
Surprise, AZ
| to all you whiners... Boo-Friggin-hoo.
News flash: Gas prices will go up.
Then maybe down.
Maybe not.
Another company will release a PVR that doesn't dare have Ads+Ads.
Maybe not.
Starbucks will raise the price on your gawd-awful cup of $3 coffee.
And what can you do about ANY of these?
Nothing.
So if your world is turned upside down by the introduction of some forgettable and wholly escapable non-issue (They're called eyelids. Check in to it.), then you probably need to get out more.
I own a Pioneer TiVo/DVD box with the 30 second skip work-around activated (Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select). If this changes that, oh well. I can still fast forward the commercials like they said I could.
You're the same people that throw tantrums when pop-ups "intrude" or someone's privacy policy allows sharing of your information.
No one's FORCING you to use the internet or sign-up to their newsletter.
And if you don't like the stupid inane ads that appear on our TiVo's now, give the box to someone who WILL appreciate the luxury.
**I bet you blow a gasket when you're behind someone that DARES to go the speed limit becuase you insist on driving "10-over" everywhere.**
Either way, shut yer YAP you sad-sap cry-babies!
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | Glad to be using mythtv Never seen any ads with mythtv. Paid more upfront, but I have no ads, drm, or any other bs that you get with the other dvrs. | |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs: | What a bunch of Babies Wow....Unbelivable that people have nothing better to do than to discuss this.
Oh well I guess I am the same.
Hob
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actor90
Phillies 2008 World Champions
Premium
join:2003-07-21
L.E.H.T., NJ
·Comcast
| Comcast DVR and Tivo Let me see, I can keep my Comcast DVR with no adds at $9.95 a month, or upgrade in the near future to Comcast DVR with Tivo for $14.95 a month, and have to sit through Tivo's crap commercials and advertisements. Hummmmm, $9.95 no commercials, $14.95 commercials, with the 5 bucks extra going to keep a useless company (unless your an advertiser) like Tivo alive another day. I'll keep my Comcast DVR without Tivo, pay less, and watch Tivo go under.
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| | | Rob850
join:2003-04-11
Mary Esther, FL
| Re: UseNet and P2P Network - Here I come :) All TV is today is nothing but bugs and commericals. These netowrks seem to pride themselves on showing their network logos during the show. Which is a good thing because it tells me when to hit the fastforward button when the bug goes away.
Rob
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| | | altidude
join:2002-12-26
Ventura, CA
| It's a non-issue The Tivo banner ad will be about as annoying as the banner ad most of you see at the top of this web page. If you're not interested in the ad, don't click, or thumb, the banner.
Banner ads on web pages have become invisible to most of us. The Tivo ads will be the same. | |
| | Xure
join:2003-11-14
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: It's a non-issue Yeah, but people do not pay for accessing BBR web page.
So bzzzzt - you're wrong. | |
| rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL | alternative to Tivo Sage TV, combined with comskip. Comskip automagically indexes the commercials, and when you play the show back-no need for the remote. The show will skip forward 3 or 4 minutes, through the commercials. | |
| ross
join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period!
I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! | |
| | celicynd
join:2005-05-24
Union City, NJ
| Re: I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! You're still not watching ads... I don't get why people are making a big fuss about this... you fast forward, the ad still fast forwards, but a static block is up while the commercial is on, if it takes you 2 seconds to fast forward, the block is up for that duration.
The only thing that could possibly be found annoying about the new thing is that it also appears while the commercial is playing at normal speed... so, if for some reason, I actually wanted to watch the commercial, the entire upper right corner is not visible. | |
| | | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! said by celicynd :...The only thing that could possibly be found annoying about the new thing is that it also appears while the commercial is playing at normal speed... so, if for some reason, I actually wanted to watch the commercial, the entire upper right corner is not visible. It does? I don't think so. I think it's only while you are fast forwarding, and whether it's through an ad or programming. | |
| | | | celicynd
join:2005-05-24
Union City, NJ | Re: I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! Nope, it does it while it's playing normally too... I saw it about 10 times last night and twice today already. | |
| | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI | So don't watch them. Period! | |
| | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| said by ross :I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! I didn't get a TIVO to watch ads. Period! So don't watch them. Period! | |
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Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA
·Mediacom
| . OK I don't have Tivo.
And most likely never will but it seems to me that they are just desperate and want to stay afloat anyway they can. I know one thing I'd be seriously pissed off if I paid money to skip ads only to see them again (and yes I don't care if they are 1/16th of the screen or full screen, same shit to me).
Some people here are fine with this but they are wrong. This is just a beginning and if Tivo customers don't make a big deal out of it get ready to see some bigger ads.
BTW all TV services dish or cable are way overpriced. With the amount of ads they are serving daily those services should be free.
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| | mwhitted
join:2001-12-09
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: . said by Anonymous :OK I don't have Tivo. And most likely never will.... BTW all TV services dish or cable are way overpriced. With the amount of ads they are serving daily those services should be free. If you don't have TiVo and likely never will, then you are really irrelevent to this discussion.
And if these services SHOULD be free, then they WOULD be free, because NOBODY would pay for them. It's called a free market. Read up on it. | |
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Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-01
IA
·Mediacom
1 edit | Re: . I don't think it's up to you to decide who's irrelevant or not. My point is simple
I hate ads and we should fight against them and not just accept them.
Also I have DVR service from my cable company and yes the only reason I have it is to record one show that I'm interested in and watch it without any ads.
My cable bill is less than $40. That's acceptable. Some people pay over $100 a month. That's just insane. If they would stop doing that maybe the movie companies and cable networks would not keep increasing prices. They do that because fools will pay even more.
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ass_kicker_9
Carmen Electra, Damn She's Hot
join:2002-03-12
San Jose, CA
| Absolutely ridiculous If I wanted to pay for ads I would give all my money to the republicans while I'm ad it. How can this company be in business when they charge 10 bucks a month for their "service" then put ads on it to get more revenue out of it. Throw away this tivo crap and buy a replaytv. | |
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
Premium
join:2002-07-29
Woodland Hills, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Absolutely ridiculous said by ass_kicker_9 :If I wanted to pay for ads I would give all my money to the republicans while I'm ad it. How can this company be in business when they charge 10 bucks a month for their "service" then put ads on it to get more revenue out of it. Throw away this tivo crap and buy a replaytv. why does paying for ads have anything to do with republicans? troll some political thread somewhere else....
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