said by sirsloop :

There was around 2 days where they held nearly every eingle negative review in /gbu !!!

said by John_W :

Talk about being anti-competitive.

it charges people $10 more each month if they want to make sure a third-party Internet telephone service, from a service provider such as Vonage or Primus, works properly over Shaw's high-speed service. "Without this service customers may encounter quality of service issues with their voice over Internet service," the company states on its website. As one industry source told me, "It's a sneaky way of saying if you don't get this your service will suck." Suddenly, high-speed customers with "regular" service find themselves as second-class cybercitizens. To accomplish this, Shaw uses technology from Merrimack, N.H.-based Ellacoya Networks Inc., among a handful of companies — including Cisco-owned P-Cube Inc. of Sunnyvale, Calif., and Waterloo-based Sandvine Inc. — that have perfected the art of what's known as "deep packet inspection." Basically, the technology can analyze all traffic on a high-speed network, identify what it is, and then "mark" it — that is, assign it a level of priority chosen by the network operator. It means Shaw knows which subscriber on its network is using a Primus VoIP service, or Kazaa for downloading music, or Bit Torrent for downloading movies. In fact, it inspects even deeper. Not only does the technology know you're using Kazaa, for example, but it knows the specific songs you have chosen to download, which itself has privacy implications depending on how a network operator uses it.

said by Drex_CS :

what's anti=competitive? the guy above you posted a "hypathetical" situation in which a cable company "could" slow down connection to a website... To bad that it's not possible to do.

said by hayabusa3303 :

Sounds stupid here correct me if im wrong but it sounds like the government has there hands in this some how.

said by Roop :

why are they traffic shaping if you can only download/upload 60-100gigs REGARDLESS of what it is?

said by Roop :

i'm on rogers and this really sucks guys. i wish dsl was better but i'm 6km out and sattlelite is no faster than dsl here.

about 6 months ago i notice on DC++ my uploads would start at like 10kbyte but would drop to 1kbyte after a minute. i thought it was just me but at the same time, a bunch of other rogers users noticed this.

downloading is not affected in this traffic shaping. you can always download at max speed. of course, every DC hub is going to ban you for not uploading. there are now many DC hubs that don't allow rogers IPs.

same applies to torrents. download as much as you want, but uploads suck. this is bad news for the p2p community. limewire and other kazaa like programs are affected too.

do you know what the kicker is on this? Rogers has caps. 60gb a month of combined traffic for normal customers and 100gb for the high tier.

why are they traffic shaping if you can only download/upload 60-100gigs REGARDLESS of what it is?

said by Jason Levine :

I'm not sure if they're doing this or not, but it also sounds like they have the capability to slow down your connection if you're trying to access certain websites.

said by John Galt :

And inside, hundreds of Grandma-types monitoring the billions of web sites making sure that they instantly throttle you when you visit a competitor's web site.



Ahh...yeah.

said by Skyrunner8 :

Uhm, It seems like Cox Is doing this now also. At least in my area, all my bit torrent downloads are slower. Sometimes they will shoot up to about 30 Kb/s, but immediately drop down to under 4. Since they basically have a monopoly in this area, We have no alternatives (Besides crappy dial up for satellite)

It happened over the summer also, because when we came back from summer break, it was all slow after that. Anybody else with Cox experiencing this?

said by keyboard5684 :

I do not have broadband from a phone company, I have broadband through a local ISP that is working through a COOP cable company. I have Vonage.

I am not defending them, I am defending the idea of prioritizing traffic.

You do not have to have cable, you do not have to have a cell phone, you do not need cable TV. You chose to purchase the products. If it was not there then you would not even have the ability to choose. If anyone is for the RBOC's and CableCo's it is the one who actually buys there service. You need bread, water but not broadband.

School work? Work work? All can be done by either going into the office or school. Need to look up something, go to the library, its free.

Getting off topic. My original argument is that prioritizing internet traffic on the local network, be it your cable "pipes" or the telco network, is a good idea. A phone call over the internet is more important than the latest Britany Spears video. Looking up how to feed your cat is more critical than your latest Medal of Honor patch.

said by gheezer :

Downloading doesn't hurt a thing....but unrestricted UPLOADING causes all kinds of issues for the local devices. How many people on this board have actually examined the contents of a router's Forwarding Cache or MLS stats only to see 50,000 simultaneous connection requests coming in from off-net destined for a single person...multiply that by 50 users.....it kills resources, and is easily corrected by the end user merely by setting a max upload connection setting.

People still won't do that...

Since people can't be trusted to manage their connections...spewing Virii and Spam into the internet, or killing the upload locally so their neighbor can't even get e-mail...the ISP is put in a situation where they are FORCED to manage connections for their customers.

The average internet user is an idiot. That barely qualifies for the user's who post here tho....but since the vast majority are clueless, and the MSO has limited resources, then the best option for the MSO is to manage the connection for everyone. And those who possess a higher clue factor feel the pinch because of those who do not.

said by brifgriff :

You have just proved that you are the cluless one, with bittorrent you have very few connections say like 25 max, hmmm thats a little less than 50,000.

ISP's don't want you uploading cause it costs them $$$$$

said by bmers :

do they filter by port or using data in the packet headers themselves?

said by ifudontlikitbyebye :

How many time per month must these rant and raves; ooh my speed is slow and i want the isp to refund my money, or i will cry louder. Get a life. If you don't like your current ISP, go to another, stop your bitching about what you better get, you get what the isp gives you, nothing more. Again, I say to all of the winners girlie whimps, canx your service no isp made you subscribe. Get off the net it will free up more speed for meeeeeeeeeeee. Good nite GIRLS.