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Mayor: 'a major accomplishment'
(old news - 06:44PM Thursday Aug 25 2005)
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Addison, Texas has become the first Texas town to offer its residents wireless broadband. RedMoon Inc. provides residents and visitors service for $5.95/hour, $9.95/day, or $16.95/month, according to their website (no speeds are mentioned). Despite the fact Redmoon built, financed and operates this network, private telecommunications companies (and the Senators and think tanks who love them) aren't enthused.

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wjr110

join:2005-02-23
North Salem, NY

Sounds good...

but I wonder how fast it is and what the quality of the connection will be when everyone uses it during peak hours.

Devanchya
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Re: Sounds good...

It's not that big of a place:

Population (year 2000): 14,166, Est. population in July 2002: 14,117 (-0.3% change)
Males: 7,392 (52.2%), Females: 6,774 (47.8%)

Land area: 4.4 square miles
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drblister

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Re: Sounds good...

said by Devanchya See Profile :

It's not that big of a place:

Population (year 2000): 14,166, Est. population in July 2002: 14,117 (-0.3% change)
Males: 7,392 (52.2%), Females: 6,774 (47.8%)

Land area: 4.4 square miles
yea, but during the daytime, it's population swells dramatically, prob. over 150,000 to 200k. Major corporate campuses high-end shopping, & such. I lived there for 18 years, till last year; loved it. Just west of Telecom Corridor.
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justncredible

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Re: Sounds good...

Sounds fishy to me, they "won" the right to provide the service????? Do they have exclusive rights to be the ONLY provider of this type of service? If so then it stinks and the mayor should be investigated. Looks like another franchise agreement only allowing one single provider.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

said by drblister See Profile :

yea, but during the daytime, it's population swells dramatically, prob. over 150,000 to 200k. Major corporate campuses high-end shopping, & such.
At least the corporate campuses would have their own networks so that won't really cause problems. The shopping districts you figure the people would be too busy shopping to do any surfing so maybe not much a problem there. Even if the increase in population during the day does in fact slow down the network most people have jobs and work at that time. So maybe it's just the jobless bums who play Counterstrike all day who will feel the pinch.

drblister

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Re: Sounds good...

understood. I was just commenting on his demographics there. It's a unique little town. Almost totally commercial (versus residential).
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NOCMan
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The Addison system downloads data at rates comparable to T-1 lines, which can offer speeds of 1 megabit per second or more.

RedMoon is offering contract service to residents for $16.95 a month, with one-day passes for $9.95 or an hourly rate of $5.95.

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mckinney6

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Re: Sounds good...

Great for Addison but elsewhere they want to charge almost $40.00 a month and you'd have to get at least 30 neighbors to sign up. I think the name RedMoon is familar seems like they were servicing or trying to the WestRidge section of McKinney, Texas. They'll have to get cheaper than $40 to compete with Comcast Cable at $43.

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Go figure

Public opinion is useless compared to the amount of $$$$$ to be made.

ptrowski
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No surprise

If you know Addison, TX it should not surprise anyone it is there. Part of the telecom corridor, growing rapidly, the "in" place to be, and lots of cash...
But it IS still Texas...(and yes, I am a Bostonian who lived in DFW for 8 years)

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Re: No surprise

ptrowski is dead on. It's nestled above Dallas in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex which is over 5 million people. The neighboring cities are adjacent so there will be some overspill of the signal.
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ptrowski
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Thank you bud..I could handle Addison/north dallas area in small doses..I like the laid back attitude of FW better...
But you know the golden rule, the one with the gold makes the rules! So if they want it and can pay for it, more power to them!

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Nice deal; but not muni broadband

This isn't a muni broadband effort. But it is a city that encouraged a wireless competitor to set up business. The private company(RedMoon) also had to get a franchise agreement just like Comcast signed. If the telco and Comcast don't like the lower prices, too bad. RedMoon is just another competitor they have to deal with.

More cities should take this tact - encouraging private companies to come in and setup as a competitor to existing companies.
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Minister

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Re: Nice deal; but not muni broadband

Yes, actually technically it is. Just happens to be a private/public partnership.

johnny_yuma
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Re: Nice deal; but not muni broadband

said by Minister See Profile :

Yes, actually technically it is. Just happens to be a private/public partnership.
From the article:“We signed a franchise agreement with RedMoon granting them the right of way to our streets,” Khaleghipour said. “An agreement that is no different with TXU or Comcast.”

It's not muni broadband...more like a goverment approved monopoly.
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Minister

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Re: Nice deal; but not muni broadband

If the local government is forced to get involved because of free-market failure, it's technically a muni-broadband solution.

johnny_yuma
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Re: Nice deal; but not muni broadband

said by Minister See Profile :

If the local government is forced to get involved because of free-market failure, it's technically a muni-broadband solution.
From the article: RedMoon was one of five wireless providers to submit proposals for consideration.

The free-market did not fail here.5 private companies submitted bids.RedMoon probably had the best hookers.
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navalpatel

join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX

Wireless Growth!

I think that there is another wireless company coming to Garland. Lately, I've been seeing OMNIs on most light poles...

who knows.
paralagrat

join:2000-07-02
Satsuma, AL

Re: Wireless Growth!

I assume based off this FAQ that the speeds are in the range of 400kbps down. No mention of upload.
»www.moonoveraddison.com/FaqsDeta···FaqID=35
hskrfan23

join:2004-03-18
West Sacramento, CA

Re: Wireless Growth!

from the pricing section:
"1Mbps, multiple email accounts with spam/virus controls, and 24x7 technical help, no phone line required, but a wireless card is necessary. With RedMoon there are no contracts or commitments, just the opportunity to explore wireless freedom"

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Those grey things on the light poles can be found all over dfw.

I've seen them in addison, richardson, plano, euless, bedford, garland, dallas, hurst, and most of everywhere around those.

I don't know the truth of it, but it makes sense, that they are actually apart of the new wireless network for the emergency crews (police et al), seeing as the same cities with the grey transmitters are also the ones installing the cameras above the intersections. If you haven't seen those, then you are going blind or don't get out much.

Anywho, same government source that told me about that also said it was coming to the cities that opted for it because then they got extra money for the emergency crews from homeland security.

Think of them as the british cctv.

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Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

Reminds me of when the auto was starting to impact the businesses that supported horses and carriages. Those industries got laws passed making it hard to use automobiles, some of which are on the books still as obsolete laws.

I know that the shills will say that cities doing BB and the old fight with the auto is not the same, and they are partially right, but they are also wrong. The main similarity is in the comparison of groups who do not want to change or exert themselves to conform to a new way of doing business. Laziness and greed means lawsuits to prevent anything that might prove them wrong or make them have to change.

Me, I am waiting for the reports on Utopia here in Utah. Will it be as bad as Qwest, or will it have less outages? In theory it should be better, but time will tell. And I may be outside the core area due to geography.

(Ever notice that they are (or use to be) called PUBLIC UTILITY poles, but the tax subsidized companies are now suing if a city uses them for the public benefit?)
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

said by RayW See Profile :

(Ever notice that they are (or use to be) called PUBLIC UTILITY poles, but the tax subsidized companies are now suing if a city uses them for the public benefit?)
This probably varies by region... but around these parts, Pepco (the electric company) owns around half the poles, and Verizon (the phone company) owns the other half.

However, Pepco and Verizon don't own the property the poles reside on.

So anyone who wants to install equipment on the poles has to pay a rental fee to the pole owner, as well as a fee to the public for access to the right of way.
RayW
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

True JT, different areas. The city owns the poles by my house, but the utility company maintains them.
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JTRockville
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

Even though the county doesn't own the poles here, they do all the tree trimming and such.

Either you all have it backwards, or we do.
RayW
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

Both the City and the Power company have been seen cutting limbs, and getting sued by idiots who think their trees are being ruined, then said idiots sue again when the power goes out from said limb breaking the line.
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

Sued? Wow.

I don't do tree trimming myself - I pay someone to do it (and it's rather expensive). The area between the sidewalk and the road is public property. That's where the poles are, and some trees are there too.

Private contractors will not touch those trees - we have to rely on the county to do it. I can't imagine suing them for taking care of things.
RayW
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Re: Yeah, undercutting the incumbents, shame

Some people get sue happy JT, they claimed that you are damaging the tree whose limbs are not even touching the power lines. *Shrug*
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Jedispara

join:2005-06-27
London, ON

Face the facts..

Lets face it people, the big Telcos aren't worried about the deployment and possible issues that the towns may have (god knows some Telcos have $hitty support as it is), they are just worrying about their own bottom lines and how much loosing a city or town to the municipal broadband.

They really shouldn't have any say, they aren't part of the government, they are private. Besides, all cities and towns now adays are run like business anyways so the Telcos should have jack all to do with it (unless they want to get their heads out of their asses and actually start to get broadband out to every single house no matter the cost)

bigtex999

join:2002-01-17
Forney, TX

Re: Face the facts..

i think the idea of 6.99 per hour is crazy...first, i sure wont pay it, second it would be fun to hang around with a yagi and intercept all those credit card numbers (of course, not do anything with them), third just drive or walk around addison, there is bound to be an open wap nearby.

what they should do is simply give away free wireless access and figure out what ap you are on and shoot a couple ads at you for nearby bars, restaurants, stores... lunch specials, drink specials, etc. I heard addison only had $1m invested, so it could sell ads based on your location and still make money.

kangabil
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I'm commenting from afar and without all the facts BUT Retire Rich seems to have it right.

If a bus company wants to run a bus service in the Muni does it have to get a permit or licence?? Likewise does a a taxi cab company have to get some sort of operating permit??

And again if the Muni says to a water supplier, gas supplier and electricity Co. if you supply our water & etc, we;'ll give you a permit to dig up our roads, the Muni is not supplying the service, it's contracted it out or sold the right to a third party.

This Muni is NOT supplying the service, they've given a company the right to do so. They could also let a cable Co. AND a satellite Co. in if the price was right, why not?

So then why all the hoo-hah????. Just a City Council doing what it's elected to; serve its local community.

If the big boys don't like it let them outbid their competition.

Italia3
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Yuck

Call me slow, but why in the hell would anyone want to pay $5.95 for 1 stinking hour, or even $9.95 a day?

I'd either pay the monthly fee or do without!
manixxtx

join:2004-04-11
Pittsburg, TX

Misleading?

I don't think Addison is the FIRST Texas town to offer Wireless Broadband. Pittsburg, Texas is. They have been offering wireless broadband for a year and a half now. Go check their website COUNTRYNET.NET!! They have also started offering WIRELESS broadband to surrounding towns this year if I am not mistaken.
vinnie97

join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX

Re: Misleading?

eh, maybe first suburban "town" would've been more accurate...It appears that Pittsburg is about halfway between Texarkana and Tyler, which aren't exactly comparable in terms of the bustling hub that is D(/FW).
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