67% Of Pirates Would Ignore Warning Letters80% wouldn't if they thought they'd lose their connection... 03:22PM Thursday Jun 11 2009 by Karl Bodetags: Fileswapping · businessWhile the entertainment industry dreams of booting heavy P2P users from ISP networks (ignoring the fact these are potential customers), ISPs don't want the extra cost of playing content babysitter. ISPs like citing a 2008 UK study that claims 72% of P2P users would stop with just a warning, or a similar 2009 study that puts that number closer to 64%. Of course the data seems a little suspect, given that ISPs have been forwarding toothless DMCA letters for years, with only explosive P2P growth to show for it. A new study suggests that 67% would simply ignore the letters -- though 80% would pay attention if the letter was accompanied by a threat of disconnection. The problem has been there's simply too many holes in the idea. Smaller ISPs can't afford to play copyright cop, nobody seems to know who'd track repeat offenders across ISPs, and the DMCA notification system is notoriously unreliable. What's more, it doesn't seem like losing connectivity to the Internet is a suitable punishment for repeatedly trading in House MD episodes. A better solution over booting potential customers from the Internet? Keep working on inexpensive, high-quality ways to deliver the content they're looking for, suggests the study. Perhaps even working with ISPs to offer different tiers of service that offer different levels of unlimited access to content: Men aged 20-34 asked in the survey said they would pay £48 ($80) per month for (access to unlimited media content). Women aged 25-34 would pay up to £39 ($65) per month. On average, suggests the research, web users would pay £26 ($43) per month to keep access to their favourite form of online content. Of course instead of realizing they have new business models to explore, the entertainment industry will certainly use this latest study to suggest that their three strikes idea is necessary.
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sivran
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clubs: | Re: ~$70 A Month quote:
If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps.
On that, at least, I think we all can agree.  | |
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| Re: ~$70 A Month said by jadebangle  :i can only say that those who buy the most dvd and cd are the biggest sucker on this planet Or, they just have a sense of fairness, prefer being independent, and paying for higher quality. It's their money (and I doubt they're the ones doing any complaining since they probably only buy what they can afford). Of course, buying music in any format simply feeds the RIAA machine... which is stupid, not that the MPAA is better (but I, for one, will buy the occasional DVD--some things I just gots to have  ). | |
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| Re: ~$70 A Month said by mod_wastrel :Or, they just have a sense of fairness, prefer being independent, and paying for higher quality. It's their money (and I doubt they're the ones doing any complaining since they probably only buy what they can afford). Of course, buying music in any format simply feeds the RIAA machine... which is stupid, not that the MPAA is better (but I, for one, will buy the occasional DVD--some things I just gots to have ). Replace DVD with Blu-ray - but, mainly because I have downloaded a 700MB XviD and wanted a far better copy to keep.
If a movie is any good, I'll buy it on Blu-ray(or DVD if no Blu is available).
Now, if the movie sucks - they are SOL!
I'll delete it and look for different movie.
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| said by jadebangle :i can only say that those who buy the most dvd and cd are the biggest sucker on this planet we wonder why they ain't have money to spend on things they need the most Why do you assume those who buy lots of DVDs and CDs don't have their priorities straight already? Do you think people actually starve themselves to buy movies?
Not everyone has the same hobbies as you. It won't get you anywhere to make judgment calls based on their hobbies.
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| Re: ~$70 A Month said by RobinK :said by jadebangle :i can only say that those who buy the most dvd and cd are the biggest sucker on this planet we wonder why they ain't have money to spend on things they need the most Why do you assume those who buy lots of DVDs and CDs don't have their priorities straight already? Do you think people actually starve themselves to buy movies? Not everyone has the same hobbies as you. It won't get you anywhere to make judgment calls based on their hobbies. yes, suckers because they could have use the money for something else better instead of doing with less
less healthy food, less clothes, less of everything else cause they are addicted to movies and music
like any drug addict their craving are so strong that they rather spend it all or borrow money from a friend to satisfy their addiction
not everyone who buy them regularly are fortunate or have money to burn
some do it cause they just want to own everything
not surprising that most only watch it once and let it collect dust afterward
i wouldn't call buying stuff a hobby
i buy lots of computer hardware and didn't call it a hobby
we would call that recklessly spending on things we don't need but want it because we are materialistic or addicted to stuff we want but are not necessary for our needs | |
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| Re: ~$70 A Month said by jadebangle :said by RobinK :said by jadebangle :i can only say that those who buy the most dvd and cd are the biggest sucker on this planet we wonder why they ain't have money to spend on things they need the most Why do you assume those who buy lots of DVDs and CDs don't have their priorities straight already? Do you think people actually starve themselves to buy movies? Not everyone has the same hobbies as you. It won't get you anywhere to make judgment calls based on their hobbies. yes, suckers because they could have use the money for something else better instead of doing with less less healthy food, less clothes, less of everything else cause they are addicted to movies and music like any drug addict their craving are so strong that they rather spend it all or borrow money from a friend to satisfy their addiction not everyone who buy them regularly are fortunate or have money to burn some do it cause they just want to own everything not surprising that most only watch it once and let it collect dust afterward i wouldn't call buying stuff a hobby i buy lots of computer hardware and didn't call it a hobby we would call that recklessly spending on things we don't need but want it because we are materialistic or addicted to stuff we want but are not necessary for our needs That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever..not in English anyway.......perhaps it does in gibberish. | |
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1 edit | said by Gbcue :Who would pay that much? If I was to pay $70 a month for unlimited content, there better be no bandwidth caps. No cable TV of course... Who wants to double pay. I already pay that for internet access, i get all my media from the internet via newsgroups/bit torrent/hulu so case solved. | |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC |  $80 for Unlimited Content?
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? said by Matt :I'd pay $80 for a fast connection and access to unlimited content. I wouldn't care what kind of crap laden DRM they used either if I could access the service across all my devices and stream the content. I would sign up in a heart beat IF AND ONLY IF
- It wasn't just a hulu clone where hulu may not have all the episodes to all the shows, which when you tease someone with a little appetizer they would want more...
- It's commercial free, no if and or buts, if it's not commercial free than it's not worth it.
- I can pause, rewind and fast-forward
- I wasn't required to install software to watch, however, optional software could provide additional features (such as a favorite's list and a "queue list" ect)
If the **AA could come up with a system that I just described, piracy would plummet and the artists would get their money. It's a win-win. Even if it's DRM, fine, bring DRM in its ugliest form, otherwise you would only be encouraging piracy.
I wonder if we can get the **AA up on charges of encouraging piracy because the more they talk about the systems used the pirate content the more it will get used.
I honestly think if such a system existed, and they had ALL shows I ever watched and new ones, I would probably pay up to $100/month (assuming this included broadband internet). Now think about that, $100/month*1000 users = $$$$....
But, since the **AA is so greedy and want's as much money as possible now I will never see my dream come true  . | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? You're one of very, very few people who would pay anywhere close to $100/month. No one is as crazy as you. | |
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? said by sonicmerlin :You're one of very, very few people who would pay anywhere close to $100/month. No one is as crazy as you. Are you kidding me?
$100/month for basic internet and "on demand" commercial free TV programming?
Do you pay for cable TV? If you do, you are not only the crazy one but the hypocritical one. I want to watch TV for the programming, NOT for the commercials. If I wanted to see information on the latest I-will-never-need-gadget then I will just click on a malware ridden ad on the internet. | |
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? Even without basic Internet, $100 a month might be a good price. Right now, I pay around $86 a month for cable TV (part of Time Warners' TV+Internet+Phone bundle). If you added $14 a month to my bill but gave me instant, on-demand access to all of the shows that ever aired, commercial-free and allowed me to fast forward/rewind/pause to my heart's content, I'd sign up.
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? said by Jason Levine :Even without basic Internet, $100 a month might be a good price. Right now, I pay around $86 a month for cable TV (part of Time Warners' TV+Internet+Phone bundle). If you added $14 a month to my bill but gave me instant, on-demand access to all of the shows that ever aired, commercial-free and allowed me to fast forward/rewind/pause to my heart's content, I'd sign up. $100/month may be not realistic if you throw in phone also. If you just have basic average DSL speed internet with my check list of requirements, I think $100/month would be very fair (or even meeting me halfway with some of them). Those reasons I listed are some of the many reasons why people pirate copyright material, would it not make sense to entice people not to pirate material? I think the creators of South Park have the right mind set. They don't care about people who pirate their show, they just want people to watch it. Personally, I would care more about how many people watch my show than how they are watching it. | |
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clubs: | Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? If everyone just pirated shows, there'd be no money to keep making them. | |
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? said by drew :If everyone just pirated shows, there'd be no money to keep making them. I don't get where you got that, I really hope you didn't pull that from my post. But, it is reiteration on what I was saying: if the people want money for making the shows, then incite people to purchase them. I never said everyone should pirate shows, but, if you have this mind set that you can stop piracy...you will only waste money hurting the honest consumer and not stopping the real problem. | |
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| Interesting how a couple of people have now mentioned their willingness to accept DRM if it's "done right". A year ago the overwhelming argument would've been "hell no to DRM" and "I refuse to buy/download DRM-laden material". Maybe the pirates are winning battles but the content owners are winning the war? | |
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| Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? said by openbox9 :Interesting how a couple of people have now mentioned their willingness to accept DRM if it's "done right". A year ago the overwhelming argument would've been "hell no to DRM" and "I refuse to buy/download DRM-laden material". Maybe the pirates are winning battles but the content owners are winning the war? I've never had a problem with reasonable DRM. I always thought the iTunes 5-devices DRM method was fair, although I hated that it was limited to Apple programs/devices only. | |
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| People like Matt are deranged anti-consumer corporate-loving fools who will argue for the sake of the already rich until the day they die.
Very few people who actually know what DRM is and understand its implications are "OK" with it, certainly less now than even a year ago. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: $80 for Unlimited Content? We'll see. Seems to me that we're hearing less and less about DRM these days, and I don't believe it's because it's going away. | |
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| Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay I just think they are going about it , all the wrong way. Why dont they just charge for a license. Similar to microsoft. So if you copy a movie and dont have a license, the movie wont play. Although its the same as drm. This way the business model, makes people think. I have what i want, i just have to pay. If the down loader doesnt pay, then in a month or so, they get a letter requesting a license. If they dont pay, then they have a bigger problem..
But i agree with the Pirates on this, develop a workable business model, rather then fine people. For example. netflix , hulu ,etc. There is a ton of stuff available free, but not available legit. The media corps need to make the entire catalog available, with a subscription.
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| said by GOLFnSUN :Keep working on inexpensive, high-quality ways to deliver the content they're looking for, suggests the study. But that has been shown not to work. People used to free don't want to pay for anything - no matter how low the cost. Says who? Oh, right....
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1 edit | Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it"
/sarcasm
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| Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay said by Chiyo :oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it" /sarcasm sarcasm? so you buy everything you downloaded? or am i the one who is kept in the dark?
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| said by Chiyo :oh man he is so right I've never bought anything I downloaded and said to myself "oh man I love this CD I should go buy it" /sarcasm That problem is what about the stuff you downloaded and DIDN'T go buy? | |
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| Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay What's the problem if he didn't keep the downloaded stuff either?
The entertainment industry has it pretty sweet. Don't like that DVD movie? Sorry, you can't return it once opened. The PC game you bought is crap and crashes all the time? Good luck trying to get a refund from the retailer you bought it from. As long as this one-sided system exist, I'll continue to sample the material b4 buying or not.
If its good, I'll buy it. If its crap, I won't spend my money on it and its gone from my system too.
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| Re: Free is the only price that most want to pay said by jhboricua :What's the problem if he didn't keep the downloaded stuff either? The entertainment industry has it pretty sweet. Don't like that DVD movie? Sorry, you can't return it once opened. The PC game you bought is crap and crashes all the time? Good luck trying to get a refund from the retailer you bought it from. As long as this one-sided system exist, I'll continue to sample the material b4 buying or not. If its good, I'll buy it. If its crap, I won't spend my money on it and its gone from my system too. If there was a way to verify this, like a time bomb that would disable the product, then I'd be all for this. We all know how well time bombed full versions go over though don't we? | |
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| Seriously, if you're taking something for free via an unauthorized means that normally costs $10 and all of a sudden you had an opportunity to obtain that free thing through authorized channels for $1 or the option to continue obtaining it for free through the unauthorized means, would you really pay the $1? | |
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| said by GOLFnSUN :Keep working on inexpensive, high-quality ways to deliver the content they're looking for, suggests the study. But that has been shown not to work. People used to free don't want to pay for anything - no matter how low the cost. And that's my biggest beef with downloaders. They epxect everything for free. Ironically most also bitch about government handouts, socialism and people living on welfare and foodstamps. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black in my book | |
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| Desdinova
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Then you agree that metered billing won't work and you no longer support the idea!? | |
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1 edit | shame... The entertainment industry should pay attention to the broken Newspaper model in the context of people that want content will circumvent the normal channels to get it, legally or not. In keeping with the same business model, the entertainment industry will render themselves irrelevant.
I think that most people are willing to pay extra for their own desired entertainment rather than a flat fee for entertainment they don't want.
While I don't download content that I don't pay for nor do I think others should, I think the entertainment industry's tactics have been deplorable and absolutely non-productive.
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| Re: shame... said by S_engineer :The entertainment industry should pay attention to the broken Newspaper model in the context of people that want content will circumvent the normal channels to get it, legally or not. In keeping with the same business model, the entertainment industry will render themselves irrelevant. I think that most people are willing to pay extra for their own desired entertainment rather than a flat fee for entertainment they don't want. While I don't download content that I don't pay for nor do I think others should, I think the entertainment industry's tactics have been deplorable and absolutely non-productive. they have too much free time on their hand and what ever make the most profits or bring them the most money they do and do it all in the name of fighting filesharers
they would love to sue your grandmother or your child for extra money... they don't care about morality or fair use rights
extort, threats, extort, threats... its the name of the game
if we can find a way to bankrupt these greedy movie industry they wouldn't have a leg to stand on
i don't care about movies or music
i just want to share for the fun of it
most of them suck so bad their not even worth my time anymore... 99 percent of it is worthless.
i need to make money too... a waste of time
only kids and teenager has the leisure time to do this
why don't i watch movies or listen to music anymore?
i have better things to do
i prefer to read a lot..
good for me? you betcha
like any drug addiction such as coffee, beer, cigarette
its what keep them in business
just imagine no one smoking, drinking or buying their crap anymore... they would go out of business wouldn't they? but who cares? not our problems. good for everyone too. | |
| PapaMidnight
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Of course the other 20% wouldn't care. | |
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| Re: Wow really? said by BF69 :Next they tell me bank robbers ignore the law against robbing banks. Then perhaps tell me the sky is blue. Most ignore these empty threats because people who break the law don't pay up until threatened by real consequences - like loss of service; fines; prison.
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| | Desdinova
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1 edit | What are you talking about? Bank robbers are heroes! They take money from the bank and redistribute it through the local economy. The bank is insured and the money is replaced so the funds available to the locals has now doubled (the replaced amount and the stolen amount). The bank's replacement funds come from the government which got the money from taxing the locals, so in effect, they get their taxation money back.
Add to that all the law enforcement personnel who remain employed to chase the bank robbers, the media that gets paid to report on the bank robbery and you see how everyone wins in this equation!
Oh, and the sky isn't really blue, it just looks that way from the refraction of light through the atmosphere.
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1 edit | why dont people understand that not everyone who uses p2p is a pirate? that fucking term has irritated me for the last 10 years at least. i only use p2p to trade live non copyrighted ROIOs (recordings of independant origin) and from the thousands of users i see everyday know that too. but when they veil what they mean in so much propaganda, it just fucking pisses me off. coz then i have to listen to know nothings demonize that which they are told they should demonize....ooooh the pirate is bad. well ive had enough, fuck you i say.
fuck you .
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Hpower
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Glendale, CA | Re: why dont people understand True. It annoys me too when I hear that WOW EVERY P2P USER IS A PIRATE! I love to download TV shows that I missed watching on TV like the soup or cops.
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| Re: why dont people understand Or how about downloading content you have already purchesed, most products, I.E. Microsoft Windows, says your allowed to backup your for personal use. In the case of torrenting, someone that ripped the dvd that you can download purchased that dvd, made their back up copy, and made it available for download. Nothin illegal about it if the person downloading owns the media in question. I personally torrent everyday, I own nearly 700 dvds, most of which are still wrapped in plastic never opened. The torrented copies are stored on a media center pc, so that i may watch, pause, rewind, fast forward, at my own will, with out degrading the quality of my "orginal copy." Granted someone else is doing the hard work for me. I have recently started torrenting full cd music albums of which i own, that over time the disc has gotten scratched and unreadable, to replace the legal copy i purchased and is no longer usable, of course ill keep the orginal, but i shouldn't have to buy the 1993 snoop dogg "doggy style" album again, if i can even find it. So labelling all P2P users pirates is wrong, however if this is the case, ill have to dig around for my eye patch.
Stopping software, music, and movies type media piracy is impossible, people will find a way to get what they want for free, still most P2P network users own or will own the media they download, the people that blatantly steal and have no remorse should be punished, maybe not to the extent that the **aa's do, but take the internet away from them, they wil switch providers. Or pirate the neighbors wifi to continue the illegal activity, | |
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