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4 edits |  Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB
NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. All "Unlimited" means is that there is no SET number of minutes or data transfers attached to the plan. Those who have problems with that should take a course in marketing. Then maybe they will begin to understand the term "hyperbole".
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Fleeting | Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB Fine. But don't advertise it as unlimited, because any way you slice it, it isn't. Clearly there are limits.
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1 edit | Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB I'd like to see how this works when I use it on my corporate VPN. I'm typically running several X11 sessions (some running remote desktop over X11!) across it (runs Ok on DSL), and at times have to upload/download several GB and stream data. I wouldn't pay $60 or even $80 if it couldn't be used 'unlimited' as I need it. | |
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| Typical marketing speak, wrap a turd in foil and call it candy.
You might want to turn your attention to dictionary.com and review what unlimited means. We can both agree that in its unadulterated by marketing mits sense, it means without limits. So if there's limits to how you can use it, then it's limited, right?
If it means "use it whenever you want", then say that. If it means "use it for as many business applications as you want just don't use it for screwing around on the Internet and porn", then say it. | |
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| Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB said by clickie :Typical marketing speak, wrap a turd in foil and call it candy. You mean like Almond Roka? I scoop that stuff out of my cats litter box everyday:o:D;) | |
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Bethel Park, PA | Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB I've had Almond Roka. That is funny, but true at the same time! You should do marketing for Hershey! | |
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| Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB Almond Roca is made by Brown & Haley in Tacoma, WA. They also make Mountain Bars. I visit their shop and purchase the "seconds". These are improperly wrapped candies, cost about 1/3 what you pay in the store.
In the words of Homer "MMMMMMM Candy"
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| I think this is more an argument on abuse of service than "unlimited" usage. The 2 guys who got the letter said they are downloading games, and game updates, as well as songs from Napster. They also are using this as a dedicated Internet connection to which the letter does allude to. All of those are clearly defined in the TOS as violations.
However I do believe Verizon Wireless is misleading people a bit with their new advertising campaign of "Why use coffee hot spots when you can use us almost anywhere..."
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| The problem I have with that letter is that it doesn't state HOW MUCH data was transferred in HOW MUCH time (just says "unusually high over an extended period").
In fact, the only numbers on the entire letter are the phone number!
Maybe your PDA phone or laptop has a worm or bot/spammer/DoS running, but how can you even start to guess unless you can compare your normal usage with the numbers they give you?
I think the solution to all this is for everyone to use multiple GB/month... then their bandwidth alarms that watch for deviation from the norm (not some set MB/GB limit) won't think a few GB/month is "unusually high" since it won't be far off the norm. If everybody demands multiple GB, then they will have to provide it or lose all their customers. | |
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| Send me the letter! Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general.
They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. | |
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| Re: Send me the letter! said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
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Fleeting | Re: Send me the letter! quote:
The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
Oh give me a break. | |
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|  Re: Send me the letter!
said by Minister : quote:
The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
Oh give me a break. It all comes down to who has a more powerful lawyer. I do, however, agree that Verizon has a double standard here. If they advertise it as unlimited, why would they care what it's used for?
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Fleeting | Re: Send me the letter! Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine.
Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. | |
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| Re: Send me the letter!said by Minister :Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine. Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. Well, that's exactly the problem with Verizon's advertising. They could advertise all the restrictions right in potential customers' faces, but do you honestly think that they would sign up as many people for limited service as they would for unlimited one. Fine print or not, it still sounds like a bait-and-switch to me, and I intend to steer clear of Verizon for the time being.
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clubs: | Re: Send me the letter! So you do see it..
They are lying in order to get more people to sign up..
Bait and switch comes to mind.
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| Re: Send me the letter! Verizon is offering unlimited usage within the confines of its TOS.
As long as your usage of the service remains within the TOS, you can use the service as much as you want with impunity.
Use the service outside of the TOS the usage is no longer unlimited.
Why is that so hard?
[NG]Owner
P.S. It's no different than unlimited mileage for a car rental. The TOS for the rental car details what the car can be used for and where it can be used. If you don't abide by those rules, the mileage is not unlimted.
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Wheeling, IL | Re: Send me the letter! Then, obviously, the mileage is limited. By definition, it cannot be unlimited, if there are strings attached.
Marketing needs to learn. | |
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| Re: Send me the letter! No. Obviously the service is unlimited, PROVIDED you abide by the terms and conditions.
Follow along here:
A) Advertisement: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prom···iniStart
states unlimited w/2 year Customer Agreement
That means WITHOUT the Customer Agreement, there is no service.
B) So what does the Customer Agreement state? quote:
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess:
Subject to VZAccess Acceptable Use Policy, available on www.verizonwireless.com. NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess is for individual use only and is not for resale. We reserve right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Verizon Wireless reserves the right to protect its network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
The cancellation letter was sent to someone who, by his own admission, was using the service in a manner inconsistent with the terms and conditions of the service. As long as you remain within the terms of the agreement, the usage is unlimited. It's not hard to grasp.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Send me the letter! unlimited w/2 year Customer Agreement
That's somewhat of an oxymoron... unlimited with limitations. | |
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| However..
Reading the TOS you can only send / receive email and browse the web. So with that said should the advertisement be for web and email access because you aren't getting "broad band access".
You are getting speedy access to web pages and email.
How ever you slice it they are taking the customer for a ride. | |
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| said by NGOwner :Verizon is offering unlimited usage within the confines of its TOS. As long as your usage of the service remains within the TOS, you can use the service as much as you want with impunity. P.S. It's no different than unlimited mileage for a car rental. The TOS for the rental car details what the car can be used for and where it can be used. If you don't abide by those rules, the mileage is not unlimted. Though in the scenario you've offered, any car-rental advertisements will specify unlimited mileage and nothing else. So any potential customer wouldn't necessarily expect to drive on the wrong side of the road at 200mph. 
Verizon, in its advertising its EVDO service as simply "unlimited," is implying that the things one would normally do with a standard internet connection (watch movies, download/play games, stream videos, etc.) would be available in a similarly unlimited capacity via EVDO.
Now if VZ said "Unlimited Minutes" or "Unlimited Connection Time" or "Unlimited e-mail transfers" or something to that effect, then it'd be a different story. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't even think that their commercials even have the standard "fine print" that car ads or drug ads do.
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| said by LiamJunket :Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. The FTC does regulate how products and services are advertised. For some reason they are not going after the "unlimited" issue.
In the 70's they went hog wild against the stereo makers for truth in advertising specs (frequency range, distortion, wattage) , but since then seem to have avoided the new technology field. | |
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| said by LiamJunket :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. So would it be okay if you were a supermarket and you sent out a flyer advertising everything as free, and put all the price tags on the shelfs saying free, then when everyone went to buy stuff say "oh i'm sorry, if you'll read the fine print free really means the msrp of the items". | |
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| said by LiamJunket :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. LOL ya theres a LOT alright rofl......
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un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td)
adj.
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol
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1 edit | Re: Send me the letter! said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court.
Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open --
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| Re: Send me the letter! said by LiamJunket :said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court. Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open Yeah well they didn't use a synonym. They used the word unlimited. They are lying. | |
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| said by LiamJunket :said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court. Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open Ya however the deffinition IS THEE deffinition of the word. Just as murder is the killing of one with intent.
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Flower Mound, TX | Re: Send me the letter! Hello. Read the definition. "Having or seeming to have no boundaries".
Does everyone understand "seeming to have no boundaries"? | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Send me the letter! They have made unlimited ... limited | |
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| said by LiamJunket :The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. What's next, will you help us define "is"?
Seriously, do you really believe what you type? Unlimited means what the dictionary says it means. I don't care about the fine print. If your ads say one thing and the contract says the opposite, someone will sue your ass eventually. I hope Spitzer gets in on this. | |
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| Unlimited means without limits.
If I want to download 70000 TB of data then so be it because that falls under the word unlimited.
There is no number in existence that doesn't fall under unlimited.
The word doesn't have an array of meanings. Go to a dictionary. I checked 5 I had in the house and they all agreed on what it meant.
You can't tell me pie has an array of meanings as well and I can expect a pizza from McDonalds when I order an apple pie. I should expect a meat lovers pizza with a pie logo on the box of it? | |
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| Corporate accounts I am curious to know if they are sending these letters out to their huge corporate accounts. You know some executive for some fortune 500 company has gone way over the so called "Limit" they have set. Do they bother them with those letters? I bet not. Too much money at stake.
What a crock!! | |
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| Re: Corporate accountssaid by RoguePimp :I am curious to know if they are sending these letters out to their huge corporate accounts. You know some executive for some Fortune 500 company has gone way over the so called "Limit" they have set. Do they bother them with those letters? I bet not. Too much money at stake. What a crock!!! Right on. Corporate accounts generate much more revenue for Verizon than individual Joe Schmoes like us. It only takes one pissed off CxO to move an account with hundreds or thousands of lines to competition.
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| Just another threat As BR indicates, there is some history of this with other companies (Comcast). From what I recall, those other companies (Comcast) did not enforce the warning in their letters either. I doubt Verizon will enforce them either. It's nothing but a ploy to scare thier customers into using less resources. I think we probably all agree Verizon would not have a leg to stand on if they actually tried to enforce their _threats_. | |
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| Good This is a good thing EV-DO is not meant to be used as a broadband substitute. It is meant for use not abuse. If every one used it in place of broadband then it would bring the regular network to it's knees.
You can't really expect verizon to let people transfer 60 gigs on a cell based service. I mean geez there is only so many slots on each tower. You get 100 people using all the bandwidth and then people complain about not being able to use the phone after the slots for phones are used.
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| Re: Good said by BosstonesOwn :If every one used it in place of broadband then it would bring the regular network to it's knees. EV-DO usage does not affect voice service in any way...it (being Data-Only) runs on completely separate RF channels from voice calls. EV-DO "abusers" would affect speed for other EV-DO data users in the same general area, of course.
For 1X, you are right to an extent; for GSM-based data services (GPRS/EDGE), data gets lower priority than voice traffic.
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| Re: Good said by roamer1 :said by BosstonesOwn :If every one used it in place of broadband then it would bring the regular network to it's knees. EV-DO usage does not affect voice service in any way...it (being Data-Only) runs on completely separate RF channels from voice calls. EV-DO "abusers" would affect speed for other EV-DO data users in the same general area, of course. For 1X, you are right to an extent; for GSM-based data services (GPRS/EDGE), data gets lower priority than voice traffic. -SC Well once it hits the switch it is all sent down the same pipe off to their network. Once data usage is over % it starts to cut down on the data channels available.
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| Umlimited Down in S. Florida we have a cellphone provider that is unlimited for a flat rate.
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1 edit | Re: Umlimited Its unlimited when you stay withing the confines of the user agreement. When you tether your phone to a pc and us it to down load wares from usenet groups then you are not using it within the confines of the service agreement and therefore you are not entitled to use the service and VZ can turn you off or charge you. Most people will not use GBs worth of bandwidth checking emails and sending low res pics, or doing any of the other allowed activities. | |
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| Re: Umlimited In this case please advertise it as an "unlimited email usage" because according to EULA that's all verizon EVDO really offers.
But of course "unlimited email usage" does not sound as cool and does not attract new customers so they went with "unlimited". In my eyes that's a clear misadvertisement. | |
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This is a good thing EV-DO is not meant to be used as a broadband substitute. It is meant for use not abuse. If every one used it in place of broadband then it would bring the regular network to it's knees.
You can't really expect verizon to let people transfer 60 gigs on a cell based service. I mean geez there is only so many slots on each tower. You get 100 people using all the bandwidth and then people complain about not being able to use the phone after the slots for phones are used.
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Yeah, so use should still be use. Just like all the arguments about "use" of "real" "broadband" services based on some form of land line. If they truly expected for people to "USE" this service, they'd have really upgraded their towers/infrastructure to be able to handle a 1000 people using constant streaming services (audio or video or voip or gaming). So sad that some kids didn't really read into what they meant... oh well.
I don't consider that really "ab"using the system, they were simply "using" the 'net for things they were used to.
If "Un" limited were truly the case, their towers/systems would be up to the task. Since it isn't, they're pushing a service to corp. interests. VPN through this, is still bound to rack up some bandwidth, I don't get why they'd let all that through, yet gripe about a non-corp. person using the regular 'net as they see fit. Same w/home broadband, if "un"limited means what it should, people should be able to "use" it however and whenever they want. If you pay for "unlimited" long distance, you can talk all darn day...
I know I know... bandwidth costs, and not everyone can use the 'full' "speed" of it all at once, or nobody'd be on...
when the 'net finally gets to that level, people might finally realize how dumb all this limiting really was "back in the day"
It's not about the customer on this one, it's about "driving the speed limit" so to speak. It's a priviledge, not a right, and if you speed/break traffic laws, you'll likely get into trouble.
"Stay inside the lines, the lines are your friends" ...whatever commercial that was... | |
| | nerdboy789
join:2004-06-07
Rigby, ID
| use is use I agree with your points about unlimited truly meaning unlimited, but I do have to point out that there is not currently available a wireless system that can handle thousands of users streaming high quality video from one cell tower, so they do have to make the best use of the limited resources available to them. The needs of a thousand users far outweigh the needs of the one in this case.
My theory on how this wireless thing will all play out eventually is a series of mesh WiFi networks for in-city or higher population areas backed up by cell towers for those of us out in the boonies . Also if you had a mesh system like that what's to stop it from being one where only one cell phone downloads a particular video then shares that with the nearest VZW phones in reach that are trying to access the same content?
Of course being VZW, they'll cripple whatever technology they use in addition to making it so you can only use"their" WiFi connections. | |
| | | amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
| Re: use is use thank you.
I also agree w/yours... the needs of many especially. I hope the cell systems are getting better, they should focus more on having call availability/quality to everyone 1st and foremost.
..Yeah being proprietary, they'd probably make sure to squeeze you for more cash no matter what it is before they make sure it really works, let alone plays well w/anyone else.
wifi/wi-max is more likely going to be meshed for 'net access. phone towers should be dedicated to mostly phone calls anyway. | |
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blahblahblah2
@comcast.net
| Don't like it don't use it everyday same old gripping, moaning, complaining bunch of girlie men. If you don't agree with any service rendered; by what ever company that provides the said service, easy solution, do not order and pay for the product or service. PERIOD.......... Why all the back and forth gripping?
You may have all the high priced Lawyers in the world. If you sign and agree to what ever the little fine print; you know the print most people do not read. If you signed the agreement, guess what, you pay the price. Nuff said....... | |
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ittakescouragetosayt
| Let the buyer Be Ware (wary) Information is the key, if Verizon attaches all sorts of limitations on use of service... a-la VOIP, broadband access, mobile phone downloads- cell phone feature unlocking, (this list is getting pretty extensive) but you get the drift-- BUYER BE-WARE BEFORE SIGNING ON THE DOTTED LINE. Besides, I personally think the broadband acces plan is a piece of crap. It's too little, too late... and really, if you need broadband,, there's a little loophole called ssid: linksys ! which is to say, FREE.. if you have less morals than mother theresa, hehe..
Personally, the whole point is they target the service to iddiots... so as if to say, that guy who bends over in the coffee shop is showing the customer's face for once.. (an ASS)
Wireless, and FREE are not in Verizon's vocabulary: period. | |
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Vig
Thread-safe since 1997
Premium
join:2004-03-23
San Diego, CA
| policing use of "unlimited" There are already lots of examples of "marketing speak" being regulated so that the buyer understands them. For example, just about every "buy one get one free" coupon/deal you'll ever see has a * and a note proclaiming that the free item needs to be "of equal or lesser value". This phrase appears clearly and very close to the proclamation of "free" (usually on the same page at the bottom).
I think the word "unlimited" deserves the same treatment: simple, easy-to-comprehend modifiers printed along with it. If consumers started seeing "unlimited*" with a note "* only for acceptable use", they would be far more aware of what they're getting into. And in the end, it benefits the company as well that their customers have managed expectations instead of feeling cheated. It works for disclaimers on "buy one get one free" and can work here. The only reason a company would fight such a common sense measure is because they're trying to put one over on the customer, which is ultimately what all the regulations on advertising are in place to prevent.
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| funny.... they should label the service as "inlimited" kinda like how inflammable really means flammable. plus they'd get the whole play on words with the vz wireless network slogan being "in." and 99 percent of the public wouldnt get the joke. i mean, afterall, isnt the joke really on us anyway?
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cbconglom
@sub-70-212-197.myvzw
| but... in my defense though we are out in the country where there is basically no one. so i don't think we are really hogging the bandwith from anyone. by the way i am a computer technician so there isn't any random worms running on my computer that i don't know about (though maybe i could use that for an excuse with verizon)
Oh yeah i may not have hundreds of lines with them, but i do have 14. you would think they still would want to keep me as a customer. -cbconglom (the being disconnected guy) | |
| zerog
join:2002-02-10
Dallas, TX
·Verizon FIOS
| what's your definition of unlimited? do you have another way to describe "unlimited" than it's definition?
Merriam-Websters:
One entry found for unlimited.
Main Entry: un·lim·it·ed
Pronunciation: -'li-m&-t&d
Function: adjective
1 : lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTED
2 : BOUNDLESS, INFINITE
3 : not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED
- un·lim·it·ed·ly adverb
pay close attention to meanings 1, 2, and 3.
I don't understand how you can put LIMITATIONS on something that is "unlimited", and still call it that without it being plain and simple DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING
maybe as a consumer, I should "know" that unlimited has a different definition; one that is other than its intended sense known to those inside the linguistic circles of acadaemia? | |
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golgoj4
join:2005-10-19
Los Angeles, CA | Re: what's your definition of unlimited? I love the internet...as far as Verizon, I expected as much from them. T-mobile's gprs action is pretty much good for limited things but with with as well, it makes like a lot easier. I wonder Karl Rove's definition of Unlimited is... | |
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George Slovak
@telecom.sk
|  Dont complain
- no peer-to-peer traffic during daytime
- 10 GB monthly allowance
- 40 dollars monthly with 2 year contract
- 50 dolars without long term contract
- 300 dollar modem (30 dollars with the 2 year contract)
- additional 11 dollars for every gigabyte started
(e.g. if you downloaded 100 kilobytes from this additional
gigabyte, you would be charged a Gig)
You have to take into account, that it is not a replacement of fixed line or cable service. You share the bandwidth in one node with others (2.4 Mbit with the Verizon service, 3.2 with Flash OFDM, with the possibility to upgrade to 14 Mbits with Flash OFDM). | |
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Verizon EVDO: Unlimited, Isn't
