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join:2003-01-29
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join:2002-02-27
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Cablevision Press Release
"Optimum Online Ultra [symmetrical 50Mbps] is available across Cablevision's entire service area immediately..."
According to the press release, the symmetrical 50Mbps service is ALREADY available across the ENTIRE network. The other two tiers, 15/2 (free) and 30/2 (additional cost), will be fully implemented by mid-2006, but will begin being rolled out immediately. | |
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Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Re: Will it still be relevant? Hi,
Get ready for Verizon.... Like a chess game. "Your Move"
Sitting back and watching
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by phantom6294  :
Cablevision Press Release
"Optimum Online Ultra [symmetrical 50Mbps] is available across Cablevision's entire service area immediately..."
According to the press release, the symmetrical 50Mbps service is ALREADY available across the ENTIRE network. The other two tiers, 15/2 (free) and 30/2 (additional cost), will be fully implemented by mid-2006, but will begin being rolled out immediately. So how are they going to give 50 upload when there isnt even a fifth of that bandwidth avail on the node?
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | Re: Will it still be relevant? "So how are they going to give 50 upload when there isnt even a fifth of that bandwidth avail on the node?"
How do YOU know this? Thinking inside the box are you? | |
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
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Cablevision Press Release
"Optimum Online Ultra [symmetrical 50Mbps] is available across Cablevision's entire service area immediately..."
According to the press release, the symmetrical 50Mbps service is ALREADY available across the ENTIRE network. The other two tiers, 15/2 (free) and 30/2 (additional cost), will be fully implemented by mid-2006, but will begin being rolled out immediately. So how are they going to give 50 upload when there isnt even a fifth of that bandwidth avail on the node? who says the 50/50 service is DOCSIS? | |
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join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace | Re: Will it still be relevant? Um... maybe the fact that the only cable modems out there now (at least that I know of) are all DOCSIS modems? That would be a clue. | |
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join:2002-08-21
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
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Phoenix, AZ
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Cable Centric Vendor Biased
Premium
join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
clubs: | 50Mbps... Huh? quote:
and symmetrical 50Mbps service at an as yet unmentioned price-point.
Umm....how? Even in full blown DOCSIS2.0 you'd have a hard time getting past 10Mbps upstream. | |
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
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»www.naradnetworks.com/pr_062805.html
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In the current deployed architecture, NBAN provides up to 100 Mbps of dedicated symmetric Ethernet on each of the four coaxial cable trunks in an HFC node
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uses Narad's coax-based outdoor Ethernet switches, which leverage the spectrum above 860 MHz to create new, QoS-managed bandwidth. The use of a switching fabric assures data security and network monitoring needed for enterprise telecom services. The Narad architecture evolution will allow 1 Gbps or 10 Gbps symmetric Ethernet to be carried, in the last mile, over any combination of fiber, coax, and wireless transmission media.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Silly person. Didn't you read the fine print where it said speeds weren't guaranteed? | |
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cjynx
Whatchu Talkin' Bout
join:2003-01-13
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: 50Mbps... Huh? said by cdru :Silly person. Didn't you read the fine print where it said speeds weren't guaranteed? I get 100Mbps/100Mbps from comcast, it just shows up in the speed tests as 8800/768. ha!  | |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| said by cdru :Silly person. Didn't you read the fine print where it said speeds weren't guaranteed? Or where using bandwidth at all isn't guaranteed not to be considered "abuse"?
Download something off usenet using this new 50 mbit teir, and within minutes, I bet you'll be capped, or perhaps just disconnected.
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Oooh! About time! 15/2 will hold me for now  | |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | What Markets Over the weekend i couldn't get anything above 5.5-6mb.
Usually I'm pulling 10+.
Maybe (hopefully) it's do to with the upgrade. | |
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Boomerang86
Got FUD?
Premium
join:2002-10-18
VampireState
clubs: | Yeah... Use your bandwith too long and you'll still get throttled to DSL speeds, I'll bet.
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join:2001-03-25
Marlborough, CT | Re: Yeah... gotta love competition. thx VZ for stroking the fires under CV. | |
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Tsume
My little Toby.
join:2004-02-23
Winter Park, FL | Re: Yeah... Yes, thank you VZ for inspiring competition... on the opposite side of the US. Nothing here in So. Cal. yet... sigh. | |
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Professor
join:2000-07-13
Scotch Plains, NJ | Exactly. This POS company wil still pull a bait and switch on their loyal customers once you actually put your connection to use. Verizon, get to my neighborhood, CV has lost my respect. | |
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join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY
| Still not worth it. That is $65 a month for 30/2. About $55 a month if you also have more than basic cable and VoIP. I'm getting 30/5 fios for $55.
Also OOL caps if you upload an unspecified amount, and could hardly even keep up with the bandwidth needs of 10/1 connections. I don't see them actually giving 30/2 and allowing you to use it. | |
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join:2002-02-28 | Re: Still not worth it. only $40 a month for me, ill be sure to get it. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
| said by ablack6596 :Also OOL caps if you upload an unspecified amount, and could hardly even keep up with the bandwidth needs of 10/1 connections. I don't see them actually giving 30/2 and allowing you to use it. Has anyone proven that Fios does not have caps, or that they will not implement caps once they have gone past the initial rollout?
All in all, Fios may be a good thing for OOL. They'll have an easy way to take the small minority of users that peg the upload and get rid of them. | |
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join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | Re: Still not worth it. Uhm it can always change, but yes it's proven that they don't have caps. I would have been capped at least 20 times already if I still had OOL. | |
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Dirtyping
join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY
2 edits | What a joke What good is it since if you try to use that kind of bandwidth they will cap you. They still do not allow servers, nor provide a static IP address and not to mention all those lovely port blocks.
If you are in a dense area lets see what happens when you and your neighbors try to use all that bandwidth. But I guess some people will buy into this marketing hype.
VZ FIOS, DSL and their 3rd party DSL providers are still a better deal. | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Re: What a joke said by MxxCon :said by Dirtyping :They still do not allow servers, nor provide a static IP address. nor 99% of all other consumer ISPs or about 50% business grade tiers. who the hell cares about static ip. you must be living in year 1985 if you think dynamic ip is a hindrance. SBC residential doesn't seem to care about servers. Nor maxing out your connection 24/7. I doubt their customer base is 1%, not to mention the many other dsl ISPs with the same ethics. | |
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join:2003-09-12
Appleton, WI
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quote:
With respect to Dial-up accounts, using any software or device designed to defeat system time-out limits or to allow your account to stay logged on while you are not actively using the SBC Service(s) or using your account for the purpose of operating a server of any type;
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: What a joke There used to be a clause in SBC's AUP about servers that seems to have been removed.
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join:2002-10-12
Andover, NJ | Sprint DSL allows servers AND they offer a static IP option. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| said by MxxCon :said by Dirtyping :They still do not allow servers, nor provide a static IP address. nor 99% of all other consumer ISPs or about 50% business grade tiers. who the hell cares about static ip. you must be living in year 1985 if you think dynamic ip is a hindrance. If I am being sold BOOL then I DESERVE/NEED a static IPN for my extra charges (which supposedly allow me to run servers and have NO port blocking or caps) since I need it to run Servers. I also should have my domain name listed as the target of the PTR rDNS record. This IPN should come from a SEPARATE IPN block from those issued to residential DHCP users so that I do not get blocked by Black Lists that erroneously flag my IPN as "DIAL-UP" thus blocking my SMTP Server's attempts to send mail (ie: Be seen as a Direct-to-MX SPAM attempt). Charging extra for a so-called "Business" Account while delivering Residential Grade Service (ie: Residential Restrictions) is IMO fraud. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Re: What a joke BOOL is capped also. theres plenty of posts by people with BOOL that got their upload capped too.
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| Ring Ring, Uh, cablevision, you can't DO 50 megabit with current cablemodems... duh.. even under docsis 2.0 spec is 38megabits, so fuhgedaboudit. Shudder to think about what you'll acutally get in reality for more money... | |
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Premium
join:2003-08-06
Farmington, MI | Re: Ring Ring, Read Karl's post above. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
 ·Packet8
| OO Boost: 30/2Mb, hosting, port 25 & 80, DDNS +$15 It's waaaay too nice to be true... finally, finally, OO will open up port 25 and 80, allowing to run my webserver etc?
I can't believe this.... I mean still no fixed IP but at least there's DDNS which is pretty much the same if you're interested in hosting your own site, so technically OO will completely abandon its retarded policy finally for $15 extra per month?
Sounds too good to be true... | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
·Packet8
3 edits | Re: OO Boost: 30/2Mb, hosting, port 25 & 80, DDNSFor impaired whiners who are still talking about lack of servers, here's the full text of OO Bost:
Optimum Online Boost
Optimum Online Boost is a new level of high-speed Internet service
designed to appeal to residential customers and small and medium-sized
businesses using higher-bandwidth applications.
Available for an additional $14.95 per month, $9.95 per month for
customers who also subscribe to Cablevision's VoIP voice service, Optimum
Voice, Optimum Online Boost will offer downstream speeds of up to 30 Mbps and
up to 2 Mbps upstream -- 39 times faster than the DSL service currently being
broadly marketed by phone companies.
In addition to the speed, Optimum Online Boost includes a host of new
features and benefits designed for high use residential and business
customers, including:
* Up to 15 e-mail addresses with 1 gigabyte of storage per address, or a
total of 15 gigabytes of storage, and the ability to send extremely
large e-mail attachments in excess of 20 Megabytes.
* Web hosting capabilities, allowing customers to build and maintain their
own Web sites.
* Advanced configurations that include DDNS, Port 25 and Port 80.
Optimum Online Boost will travel on its own dedicated portion of
Cablevision's completed fiber-rich network, to ensure an extremely high level
of service regardless of its penetration or the propensity of Optimum Online
Boost customers to use bandwidth-heavy applications.
Note that bullshit about being "39 times faster than the DSL service currently being broadly marketed" - it's simply a big fuckin lie, typical Cablevision bullshitting; 768k as 'broadly marketed'? What a BS.... the typical minimum is 1.5Mbit nowadays and that's an entry-level service for one-third or less of OO's price.
What a retarded marketing team OO has, seriously... apart from this BSing, they are missing their point completely: this service has all the option for SMPT and HTTP etc servers and 5x/2.5x faster than fastest DSL currently available on the market (6Mbit/768kbit) yet for half the price. | |
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join:2002-02-27
Abingdon, MD
| Re: OO Boost: 30/2Mb, hosting, port 25 & 80, DDNS
kamm said
"Note that bullshit about being '39 times faster than the DSL service currently being broadly marketed' - it's simply a big fuckin lie, typical Cablevision bullshitting; 768k as 'broadly marketed'? What a BS.... the typical minimum is 1.5Mbit nowadays and that's an entry-level service for one-third or less of OO's price."
If I had to guess, I suspect they are referring to Verizon's $14.95 DSL package. I personally haven't seen too many DSL commercials, but most seem to advertise the $14.95 package. Also, if you goto Verizon's DSL link in a big picture plastered up front is the $14.95 package. Thus, this is what OOL probably means as "broadly marketed" (emphasis mine). The $14.95 package from Verizon is in fact 768Kbps... | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| said by kamm :For impaired whiners who are still talking about lack of servers, here's the full text of OO Bost: Optimum Online Boost
Optimum Online Boost is a new level of high-speed Internet service
designed to appeal to residential customers and small and medium-sized
businesses using higher-bandwidth applications.
Available for an additional $14.95 per month, $9.95 per month for
customers who also subscribe to Cablevision's VoIP voice service, Optimum
Voice, Optimum Online Boost will offer downstream speeds of up to 30 Mbps and
up to 2 Mbps upstream -- 39 times faster than the DSL service currently being
broadly marketed by phone companies.
In addition to the speed, Optimum Online Boost includes a host of new
features and benefits designed for high use residential and business
customers, including:
* Up to 15 e-mail addresses with 1 gigabyte of storage per address, or a
total of 15 gigabytes of storage, and the ability to send extremely
large e-mail attachments in excess of 20 Megabytes.
* Web hosting capabilities, allowing customers to build and maintain their
own Web sites.
* Advanced configurations that include DDNS, Port 25 and Port 80.
Optimum Online Boost will travel on its own dedicated portion of
Cablevision's completed fiber-rich network, to ensure an extremely high level
of service regardless of its penetration or the propensity of Optimum Online
Boost customers to use bandwidth-heavy applications. Note that bullshit about being "39 times faster than the DSL service currently being broadly marketed" - it's simply a big fuckin lie, typical Cablevision bullshitting; 768k as 'broadly marketed'? What a BS.... the typical minimum is 1.5Mbit nowadays and that's an entry-level service for one-third or less of OO's price. What a retarded marketing team OO has, seriously... apart from this BSing, they are missing their point completely: this service has all the option for SMPT and HTTP etc servers and 5x/2.5x faster than fastest DSL currently available on the market (6Mbit/768kbit) yet for half the price. A lot of people can't receive service higher than 768kbps. I can only receive 320kbps and I live 15 minutes from New York City. DSL is an inferior technology. Verizon admits that and CV is just feeding off it. But not for long, FIOS can beat the shit out of current cable technology. DSL was just a "quick fix" for broadband, it is NOT a good technology and I am beginning to feel it doesn't even qualify as "broadband" when you have 10,15,30,50mbps services in peoples homes for reasonable prices today.
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
·Packet8
1 edit | Re: OO Boost: 30/2Mb, hosting, port 25 & 80, DDNS Tzale,
you're right on that DSL is definitely not an answer for everybody but neither cable is, keep in mind.
OTOH you're wrong on the rest: DSL is definitely not an inferior technology in metropolises like NYC, especially when you can go as high as 10-20Mbit if you live close enough.
It's a dedicated connection and a 6Mbit Speakeasy DSL I use is always on full speed when I download from Usenet whereas my friend's 10Mbit cable in (OO in Brooklyn) is simply pathetic at the evenings and other peak times.
FIOS, starting up without any legacy, needs to be alayed down first - and VZ's stupid shareholders are already pissed on the very high cost of the FIOS investment...
DSL has a huge advantage over both; phone is there everywhere, so it comes very cheap compared to FIOS and even if it's too far to go above 768 or 1.5 Mbit, that's more than enough for most of the regular users, believe it or not. | |
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join:2005-02-01
Wayne, NJ
| Competition, Whiners, and the Otherside I heavily DL and UL and have yet to be capped in all my years using OOL - most of it is to my clients offices and corporate servers. None of it is P2P - in my expereince the great majority of whiners about capping were on Kazaa or Limewire or something else...
I am happy about this "upgrade" the down speeds dont matter as much as I'll appreciate the up. YES - this is competition at work - isnt that how it works in this country? Free market - you pick which product you like - if one company out offers anything they can decide to offer more if they want?
The GREAT majority of consumer broadband providers don't allow servers - included FIOS afaik. So stop complain about that - if you want to host a server get a service that will offer you SLA and a Static IP. The grass always seems greener on the otherside, but as I have said before after dealing with CableAmerica(85202), Comcast(19027), PatriotMedia(08873), and COX (89011) - we have it pretty good in Cablevision Land.
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R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, and RichK1957
Premium
join:2004-12-20
Port Jefferson Station, NY
clubs: | OKAY..... My response to these new tiers...
TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!!!
I am GONE when FIOS hits my area, in 2006! | |
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Vamp
5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD
·Verizon FIOS
| Useless... It's useless when they wont be able to use the bandwidth for long enough periods to actually transmit a large file (especially upload).
Optimum just needs to face the fact that verizon has out done them.
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join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY | Re: Useless... Too little too late. Just noticed the mention of DDNS in the press release. How cheap, with all the ISPs offering static IP, including those offering blocks of static IPs for businesses, this is really lame. | |
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Premium
join:2001-09-30
Philadelphia, PA
2 edits | Comcast better be next or I am moving to Fios! Comcast is next for 15000/2000 I hope!!! | |
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join:2001-06-28
Spring Lake, NJ | Re: Comcast better be next or I am moving to Fios! We shouldnt be too surprised? Especially to the people who have uncapped a surfboard modem in the past. The bandwidth has been there. . .ool just didnt have the competition to go any faster . . . | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Comcast better be next or I am moving to Fios! while these speeds could work on sparsly populated nodes, i just dont see places like densly populated NY cities getting anywhere near those speeds [both upload and download]
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phantom6294
join:2002-02-27
Abingdon, MD
| Read the Press Release... If everyone would read the press release... it would help SOO much.
Cablevision Press Release
"Optimum Online Boost will travel on its own dedicated portion of Cablevision's completed fiber-rich network, to ensure an extremely high level of service regardless of its penetration or the propensity of Optimum Online Boost customers to use bandwidth-heavy applications.
"...Optimum Online Ultra delivers this extremely high rate of speed over Cablevision's existing network facilities, leveraging the spectrum above that which is traditionally used to provide video, voice and data services to create new, QoS-managed
bandwidth."
So, according to Cablevision, the two higher tiers will be somewhat dedicated speed tiers. Whether or not this means consistent speeds (throughout the day) for those paying for these services is yet to be seen. However, I think it's worth pointing out that from the sounds of it the two higher tiers will not be sharing spectrum with the standard service.
Also, as I already pointed out... according to the press release, the symmetrical 50Mbps tier is ALREADY available across the ENTIRE CV/OO network and the other two tiers are being rolled out to be available across the entire network by mid-2006. | |
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| Tally the losss$ >According to the company's press release, all of the new >speeds should be available by the middle of 2006.
Oh, let me count the loss of customers in the intervening 6 months... muahaha, you can only hype (we're gonna get there.. eventually only so much, as we all know) Otherwise, you lose customers (makes the deployment look like a lame duck). Original announcement was June of this year, so 11 1/2 months later, maybe something will get better. Katrina house rebuild timing if you ask me not to mention most of the rest of the cable-modem industry is dragging its feet as well. If the company that 'created it all' can't do it, well, why should others even try.... | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
2 edits | What's the point of new tiers? ...when the average OOL user is seeing about 3.5Mb?»/archive and the VAST majority of users are seeing less than 1/2 of their advertised speed (5Mb from a 10/1 service) »/archive/optonline.net
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@optonline.net | this boat left mid 2006 is this a joke , most get 5mbps /900k up now . well i guess some more speed for free is nice to bad it's going to take such a long time , fingers crossed for fios in my area before then. | |
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join:2002-02-27
Abingdon, MD | Re: this boat left Again... read the release... it will be FINISHED by mid-2006. It is being rolled out NOW...
Granted... what type of penetration over time we see across the OOL network is yet to be determined. | |
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Premium
join:2005-07-04
Madison, WI
clubs: | charter WI Well anyone that gets an upgrade is lucky...I have charter in WI and they just upgraded about a year and half ago from 1.5 to 3 meg...and now we're stuck here  | |
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join:2001-01-17
Storrs Mansfield, CT | Re: charter WI Maybe one day here in Connecticut, Charter will wake up and finally offer an upgrade to at LEAST 5MB from the 3MB we have had for far too long. | |
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Optimum Upgrades Announced
Good News! On Par With FIOS?