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Odessa, FL | Re: All I can say is - Not in corpoRATe America !!!
He/She will get a promotion and a big bonus !!!!
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| Re: All I can say is - said by Cyber2lz  :Not in corpoRATe America !!! He/She will get a promotion and a big bonus !!!! Clearly you don't understand corporate politics. Whoever made the decision is costing SONY millions. And that is the surest way to get thrown out on your ear.
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Pirate515
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| Re: All I can say is - said by GOLFnSUN :Clearly you don't understand corporate politics. Whoever made the decision is costing SONY millions. And that is the surest way to get thrown out on your ear. If this is what happens where you work, then congratulations, as you probably work at one of a few companies where things actually make sense. An employer like that is extremely hard to come by these days.
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Chicago, IL | Re: All I can say is - Actually, the employee that made that decision may or will get fired but they'll receive a lucrative severence package probably double their salary.
That's how corp America works. | |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by GOLFnSUN :Whoever made the decision is costing SONY millions. And that is the surest way to get thrown out on your ear. If a low level or mid level manager can be blamed, say sayonara. If an executive was wrong, they'll just find another way to do the same thing again soon.
I've seen guys that were dumb as a box of rocks promoted to executive control of multi-state operations and when they made a mess of things, no one wanted to admit they were wrong to promote these guys, so they just shifted them around to different states. | |
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and blame a low or mid level manager anyway..... | |
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If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA | i just noticed the software had ebonics in it's name.. great.
probably been made by a script kiddie | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | This is more fun than watching Windows issue a patch to fix a patch. | |
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join:2001-11-29
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Ontario, CAN
| I'm not so sure I trust Sony to remove a stealth root-kit they so deviously put on a users PC. I'd prefer a tool designed by a security software expert to remove it. He/she who holds nothing but the users best security interests in mind.
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| Re: Security Software Expert said by Dustyn :I'm not so sure I trust Sony to remove a stealth root-kit they so deviously put on a users PC. I'd prefer a tool designed by a security software expert to remove it. He/she who holds nothing but the users best security interests in mind. Someone like Microsoft? 
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join:2002-12-17
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| Actually, I would be tempted to just wipe out the drive and start over.... when comes to the matter of Sony being upfront. My impression of them at this point is trying to sweep this under the rug as quietly as possible.
The sad thing is it took a, hee hee pesky blogger to let us all know the shenanigans they were up to. If it were not for that, no telling what other useful to the customer DRM type things they would try.
Shame on them. But that's the sort of thing that can be expected from the music industry.
As others have pointed out before. I'm sure this will end up costing them a lot more than any perceived losses from piracy.
At least now Sony and others are on notice. There are people out there watching what you do. | |
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join:2005-08-02
Anaheim, CA | Nimrods! WOW that entire deparment at Sony is filled with Nimrods! They need to get some better people in there that KNOW about technology. | |
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toadlife
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Lemoore, CA | Who is their CEO? Homer Simpson? | |
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| Re: Who is their CEO? said by toadlife :Homer Simpson? They will just move him the Sony power plant | |
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Mr Dresden
join:2005-06-25
Ingleside, IL | One word. lawsuit! | |
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Bend, OR
| Re: One word. said by Mr Dresden :lawsuit! There where 3 lawsuits filed last week against SONY. There could be more by now. | |
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| Cost benefit analysis time All "losing hundreds of millions to piracy" aside, I'm sure someone at Sony/BMG has an idea of how many lost sales probably occurred due to piracy and how much having DRM adds to their share value in the marketplace. Assuming they're rational, the losses Sony is about to endure from this DRM debacle will DWARF any actual lost sale opportunity, AND unlike those phantom sales lost to piracy, the cost associated with this mess will be easy for shareholders to see.
Time will tell, but in the end it's all about money. Losing a large number of real dollars to settle claims arising from protecting speculative sale dollars of an undetermined amount seems like a great way for management to suddenly find themselves "pursuing other interests outside the company"
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1 edit | Re: Cost benefit analysis time I know I'll try and make a concerted effort not to buy Sony products from now on.
This shure makes the noise about the Piracy issue look tame.
And to think Sony's EULA states it's illegal to remove this "Controlware". HA! HA! HA! Idiots!
Can anyone think of a more stupid move?
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| Re: Cost benefit analysis time Thalidomide comes to mind when thinking harm vs. benefit, but yeah...this is a pretty major screw up and I'm predicting the phrase "DRM" may not be a high priority for Sony/BMG going forward.
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| Their DRM, according to their press releases (if you can
believe them) is not to deter "piracy", as they call it,
but rather is a pissing match between them and Apple. They
don't like the idea that Apple isn't opening their iTunes
store up to competing DRM formats (despite the fact that
it is the only one of the industry-approved music services
making any kind of money).
The losses due to physical counterfeiting of music, movies
and software likely exceeds that from p2p by a factor of
1000:1 or more. Yet these organized "pirates" aren't the
ones contending with copy protection. It is the soon-to-be
former customers of the entertainment industry companies
that ironically resort to less than legal methods to get
what they want because of the draconian DRM found on
legally purchased product.
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Conyers, GA | Re: Confusing Wonder how the SONY artists themselves are taking all this?
I realize they don't have actual rights to their music, but they do make a couple bucks off "Album" sales..... | |
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join:2002-01-09
Bridgewater, MA
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XCP® - Aurora™
XCP (Extended Copy Protection) technology aims to provide effective levels of protection against the unauthorised copying of digital audio and data files without compromising sound quality and playability. XCP helps to protect the rights of Artists and Record Labels while accommodating consumer needs for 'fair use' copying. | |
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Sudenly this seems funny: BS BS BS claims of F4Internet. 
Fair use my ass | |
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Mentor, OH
| said by christos :from their website: XCP® - Aurora™ XCP (Extended Copy Protection) technology aims to provide effective levels of protection against the unauthorised copying of digital audio and data files without compromising sound quality and playability. XCP helps to protect the rights of Artists and Record Labels while accommodating consumer needs for 'fair use' copying. Aurora ... heh ... A Better Internet anyone? Sadly, this DRM method seems no better than the aformentioned trojan.
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| sony bologna well our local news just picked up on this story (as did the network news) today and is now announcing the 'recall' to the masses..
glad i stopped buying cd / dvd when the **AA's 'ruined' the industry with their overbearing lawsuits and Gestapo tactics.
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| Keep the bad press comin' Sony! Keep that bad press coming Sony! I think my Icon, signature, and overall feelings towards Sony / BMG can easily be shown. I hope Sony digs themselves a big huge hole and eventually implodes into a bankruptcy chapter 11. Their actions speak louder than words.
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go EFF! Go *uck em up good!
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Due to Sony's backhanded tactics, horrid EULA's
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| Totall bullsh!t look at this right off xcp's site.
"XCP (Extended Copy Protection) technology aims to provide effective levels of protection against the unauthorised copying of digital audio and data files without compromising sound quality and playability. XCP helps to protect the rights of Artists and Record Labels while accommodating consumer needs for 'fair use' copying."
WHERE THE HELL IS THE FAIR USE OF NOT MESSING WITH MY PC! If I had the money I'd take them and both **AA's to court.
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| I'll still buy electronics I'll still buy their mp3 players/Minidisc players and such but just use pre 3.x versions of Sonicstage as to not have to mess with DRM...just ATRAC3 and ATRAC3+ which aren't bad formats. They are pretty comparable to AAC and MP3. No noticible difference except in music with a lot of high-freq noise like techno and such. I'll take their VAIO 40 (30?) gig player and fill it with pirated music (Allowable in earlyier versions of sonicstage via the import function ) | |
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Mesquite, TX
| Re: I'll still buy electronics why even buy their bottom-of-the-barrel electronics? The MD is going the way of the dinosaur, I'm afraid to say. There are better choices for digital media players as well.
ATRAC comparable to AAC/MP3/OGG? I'd like to see your blind tests supporting that claim. | |
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join:2005-10-05 | If Homer Simpson is running Sony... If Homer Simpson is running Sony and this mess happend, there would be one word to describe it... DOH!!! | |
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Varlik
Without Honor You Will Never Be Free
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join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC
| Don't Worry Sony Micro$oft will fix your mess. Almost funny when you think about it. I know that I won't be buying any Joe Satriani CD's anytime soon. And it looks like I might not be getting that PS3 after all.
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World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | There is a simple answer to all this: Stop buying their products and the products of any company that does anything similar.
Starve the bastards out. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | if ever a reasong for... a class action against sony/bmg and the rootkit author for the crap they have wrought on our computers and not properly compensated users for, this is it... | |
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@suscom.net | Buy Sony! Now makes 33% LESS computers explode! This is just the kind of thing they need to do to get people to buy CDs instead of downloading songs for free. Computer ruining CDs have gone over SO WELL in the past, why not try it again? | |
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