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1 edit | Not a good thing. State owned telcos (ie. Brazil) are always against the consumers interests.
This is why Capitalism is critical for Liberty.
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oliphant
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Rich gets richer poor gets poorer? | |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Re: Not a good thing. Capitalism is the only way the poor get rich. | |
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jhboricua
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clubs: | Re: Not a good thing. Sure it is:  | |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Re: Not a good thing. You can roll your eyes in ignorance, but under what other economic system do the poor get rich? The Smurfs?
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| Re: Not a good thing. Capitalism is the only system in which ANYBODY gets rich. Under Socialism or Communism, everybody is poor--though some have more power, and use that to gain some creature comforts.
calvoiper
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2 edits | Re: Not a good thing. said by calvoiper  :Under Socialism or Communism, everybody is poor--though some have more power, and use that to gain some creature comforts. And under communism, which never existed, no one is rich and no one is poor... In theory.
said by calvoiper :Capitalism is the only system in which ANYBODY gets rich. Unless I misunderstood what you meant, that isn't the case... In feudalism, the landowners get rich... For your statement to be correct, it would have to be - Capitalism is a system in which everyone has a chance to get rich... Of course, everyone can't be rich.
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They've been privatized many years ago... | |
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| said by Noah Vail :State owned telcos (ie. Brazil) are always against the consumers interests. Always ?
And what then if there is only one phone company and its a private venture? Not a lot of stuff going for the consumer there either.
Capitalism is okay, but only if there is competition.
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packetscan
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clubs: | Allies in Democracy? Um.. WTF...
Well i am glad that i live in the United States. | |
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00000 | Re: Allies in Democracy? Why? Its only a matter of time before the greedy morons in washington cripple the internet beyond use. | |
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| Re: Allies in Democracy? said by deepblackmag :Why? Its only a matter of time before the greedy morons in washington cripple the internet beyond use. The last time the government tried to regulate Internet content via the CDA it got laughed out of court. Lobbying on the part of telegraph companies is going to become a non-issue either as they lose more and more money to VoIP.
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clubs: | Whatever, the internet isn't going to be crippled by washington. | |
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packetscan
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clubs: | Re: Allies in Democracy? Oh.. Take the comments the CEO of SBC made a few weeks back and wait 5 years..
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | The article gets it right... Fighting VoIP calls is a lost cause. | |
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stufried
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join:2003-10-13 | I Wonder if this Applies to Inconnecthere? I wonder whether this applies to iconnecthere, an Israeli VOIP company extensively marketed on a worldwide basis. | |
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CableConvert
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Atlanta, GA | wonder if its for security reasons I would think they have an interest in being able to monitor communications to a degree | |
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Tzale
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| Israel Sucks! Israel is not a democracy. This is just one example of it. Anyone who calls them a democracy is a fool. Israel has a long history of supporting terrorism in the name of Jewish Zionism and even having racist laws (EVEN TODAY) where non-Jews can't marry Jews, etc.
A real democracy. LMFAO.
This comes as no surprise!
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stevennb
Ok, But, Thats The Last Straw.
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Wayne, NJ | Tzale =
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OreoleO
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| said by Tzale :Israel has a long history of supporting terrorism in the name of Jewish Zionism and even having racist laws (EVEN TODAY) where non-Jews can't marry Jews, etc. I think you need to stop visiting Palestinian sites :whistle:
Israel has never supported terrorism, and has always been against it, whether it's helping other nations or in it's own territory. Forced marriages only happen in Orthodox families, but that's with a lot of other orthodox type of families. I lived in Israel for 14 years, and I've seen many non-Jews marrying Jewish people, and there's not law against it, infact, if you even have a trace of Jewish in you, you easily can get a citizenship, can't vouch for other people, but I'm sure it isn't that hard either. | |
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WaxPhoto
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| May not be an Economic thing... all licensed ISPs in Israel begin blocking Voice Over IP (VoIP) communications that terminate in the (POTS) telecommunications network oversees. There aren't many Israel-friendly countries in Europe, Asia, or Africa. [Disclaimer: I'm not going to comment on why that is or if it is undeserved/deserved.] So Israel isn't going to like that a large portion of their civilian communication system is in the hands of a foreign communications company, which can be manipulated by a foreign government.
Just a thought.
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| Re: May not be an Economic thing... I don't like blocking the internet or VOIP, but I would paranthetically point out that VOIP is blocked in much of Arabia. I know it is blocked in the UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Many Arabian countries also employ proxy servers to block access to a number of mainstream web sites.
I think security is a red herring. It is childs play to monitor SIP based communication. SIP is generally unencrypted. Keeping companies out of VOIP, however, stops home brewed companies from competing in the world market. It keeps companies out of call center markets, stops Israeli comapnies from establishing virtual presences in other countries. Moreover, you are just going to drive people to programs like SKype or force the country to cripple its Internet to the point where no one can get a satisfactory connection in order to stop acceptable VOIP based calls.
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | Looks like a Security thing to me Far more likely to be a security thing to help stop phonecalls that the gov't can't tap. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
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| Re: Looks like a Security thing to me ...not if they're exempting P2P voice. Besides, if you've got Internet connectivity, even with a tap you can encrypt the hell out of stuff and slip it through.
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offri
join:2001-02-01
Israel | very stupid move Its not a "security" thing,
Purely economics and political cronyism
In my opinion the public will not stand for this
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: very stupid move
More than likely, they want to control the ability to make overseas phone calls for security reasons, such as palestinians working/living in Israel. It's not a matter of the public "standing" for this, since all israelis stand together when it comes to the collective security of the country, just as all israelis have to do a 2 year stint in the security forces (army) as psrt of their duty as a citizen, and, can be called up for service if need be.
While Israel IS a democracy, they have learned the value of banding together when needed, since they have been surrounded by implacable enimies since Israel was formed. | |
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anobiS
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| well i really don't agree with this sh*t... and if it happens here, it would cost me some hundred bucks a year... butm, just for you all know, here in Brasil, all the telecoms offers VoIP services, and in fact, they are having some big troubles in justice cause they don't respect their costumers.... | |
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Dr Demento
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join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
1 edit | This sucks Since I know that many Israelis use Skype as their primary telephone service. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a larger backlash or even wide protests from this.
Btw, Israel is about as democratic as France currently is, aka they're socialist, people have known that for quite some time.The Israeli government has even stated that themselves at times. | |
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA
| Re: This sucks You do understand that socialism is an econonic system right, not a political system?
In other words, a country can be both socialist and democratic AT THE SAME TIME.
Also, Israel might have socialist economic policies, but I guarantee you capitalism thrives there as well. You know the US also has socialist economic policies too, right? Ever heard of Social Security? | |
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Dr Demento
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1 edit | Re: This sucks Oh yea, my bad. I come to think of it now, they are more of a socio-capitalist hybrid (like the US but borderlining on the other more) since all their military and arms developement is government subsidized but they are also completely privatized companies. Israel was completely socialist at one point but their economy collapsed in the 1970s and their financial institutions went through a complete restructuring throughout the 1880s and even into the 90s. | |
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anon32
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jason848
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Pretty dumb
meh...so long as it never hits the US...
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