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Canada
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| Re: Translation" said by tsu9  :AT&T is obsolete. Yup, down the tube they go.
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| Re: Translation" I hate to say this -- but 6mbs (~5mbs DSL) actually is OK -- for now -- depending on how much video and of what quality I deem needed in light of current technology (yeah I'm one of those elite I guess -- except for the money). Right now I can begrudedly look forward to testing LightSpeed -- as a non-HDTV user (for now).
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Translation" I would probably have no 'real' issues with testing it either.
I'm not on HD, and use DSL for work, as its been solid (couple issues over 3 years).
The one thing that will keep me is cost/service.
Cable (Comcast) right now is overpriced, and has poor service in my area.
Comparison:
Comcast cable: $60.40 (digital for 1 set) or $55.00 for analog
HSI bundled: $42.95 + $3 rental
Voice (Vonage - Comcast doesn't sell it here yet): $24.95/month
= $131.30 + taxes/fees/franchise fees
DSL: $29.95/month (3Mbps/512kbps)
Phone: $ 39.95/month + $4.95/Canada (unlimited = Vonage)
DirectTv: $55 / month (3 tuners)
= 129.90 + taxes/fees/FUSF, etc.
They're pretty similar in cost.
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join:2006-05-16
Springfield, OH | Re: Translation" I told my local cable provider (Time-Warner) to go straight to hell last summer. It's the best thing I ever did. Quality sucked, cost sucked, selection sucked. May Time-Warner cable burn in hell forever. | |
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join:2001-08-17
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join:2005-11-26
| Re: Translation"
Well, the fact is that 6 Mb WILL be more than enough for Joe box of rocks (just as it is now). As it stands, 1.5 Mb DSL is plenty for doing the things Joe does. like surfing and streaming music, or, light file sharing.
The only people crying for more bandwidth are the geeks who want to run servers on someone elses dime and gamers/file traders.
These groups of people, while concentrated here (which gives the site a skewed viewpoint that doesn't accurately represent the overall internet), are a distinct MINORITY in the US. | |
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Stays Crunchy In Milk
join:2003-06-07
Deming, NM | Re: Translation" Currently stuck at 384/384 with no increase in sight... 
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| Re: Translation" said by schnuggles :Currently stuck at 384/384 with no increase in sight... Beat my 144kbit IDSL.
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join:2003-03-18
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| Re: Translation" nowt hat's what wecall obosolete technology | |
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join:2001-03-25
Rio Linda, CA
·Cox HSI
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| Re: Translation" not exactly... at least its not an ISDN!
I could move to comcast, but honestly, the 6m which keeps dropping at peak times isnt as worthy to me as the 3/768 that is always up & rock solid at three times the price...
a connection that doesnt keep me connected when i need it does me absolutely no good. | |
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| I have a 5Mb connection currently. It friggin hauls ass. I download from good sites between 700KB to 1.2MB.
My up speed is 768k which is decent for what I pay.
For all of you complaining about at&t and every other providor offering this and that... Go back to Dial-Up. I'll take all the bandwith they will give me for as cheap as I can get it. I don't like wasting time staring at a progress bar. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Translation" 25MB? Would LOVE to see a speed test validating that one. | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | who knows what those are. could just be plainjane 16mb/1mb comcast. anything over 15001kbps wont show.
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5c077
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MD | What BS.. Just a way to avoid "real" upgrades. | |
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Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: BS And this is just the attitude that is keeping us behind in broadband compared to countries like South Korea and Japan. | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: BS said by mrchris :And this is just the attitude that is keeping us behind in broadband compared to countries like South Korea and Japan. don't think fast broadband is their concern in the first place lol
$$$ milking ignorant people is all they care about... heh want fast broadband do it ourselves? | |
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join:2002-04-08
Oakley, CA
| Re: BS said by Fatal Vector : There is no comparison between them and the US by any measure. Got that right  | |
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join:2002-05-31
Glendale Heights, IL | Enough Pairs With all the people switching to VOIP or cell phones there should be plenty of pairs. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Enough Pairs said by Claussner :With all the people switching to VOIP or cell phones there should be plenty of pairs. Its kind of funny and pathetic that ATT is betting on its competitors to take away ATT's customers so ATT can compeat with the competitors. Seems like TV+phone+internet customer is better than just phone customer to ATT, but ATT is betting on the just phones to leave, sort of encouraging competition by allowing a inferior product to exist. TV adoption rate goes up, just POTS goes down but ATT is no investors notice it. | |
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join:2005-11-26
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An "inferior product"? How so? If it's fiber to a node providing the service, with the last bit on copper, so what? What, you think it's any big trick for Ma Bell to run the last bit of fiber later? This is the fly in the ointment of gripes about "Project Lightspeed".
as I've mentioned before here, AT&T seems to be laying a lot of fiber lately. Why would they be doing that? I bet the bright among us can guess.
You all seem to have the idea that Ma Bell is somehow unable to comprehend it's business and how to go about it. You dont seem to get the idea that old Ma has been around for over 100 years and is currently the largest IBOC in the US. And they are on the verge of putting Ma Bell back together again.
How, I ask, did they do this if they are idots "going down the drain"?
And, say what you will about old Ma and her "inferior product" your POTS line, with very few exceptions, allways works, just as they did during the massive power failure in 2003. VOIP is the "inferior product" because it requires YOU to provide power and a WORKING internet connection.
It will be interesting to see exactly what old Ma does in the end, after all the babbling, speculation, whining and teeth gnashing. | |
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| Re: Enough Pairs True VOIP requires you to provide power via utility company but new fiber to the curb ...guess what that remote terminal or Dslam has to be powered to in Bell South's markets I see them tied to a power meter from guess who the local Utility power company. So only POTS is reliable because they power that themselves but the new fiber to the curb is not so great if it depends on the power on that street. What if it goes out? oops back to cable oh no they are out too.
why don't all of them provide there own power. end of sentence. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Enough Pairs said by Name 2 :
True VOIP requires you to provide power via utility company but new fiber to the curb ...guess what that remote terminal or Dslam has to be powered to in Bell South's markets I see them tied to a power meter from guess who the local Utility power company. So only POTS is reliable because they power that themselves but the new fiber to the curb is not so great if it depends on the power on that street. What if it goes out? oops back to cable oh no they are out too.
why don't all of them provide there own power. end of sentence.
Exactly, RTs and field equipment isnt fed off of diesel or seperate power lines coming from CO (altho it shud). If ur on a RT and power outage, ur screwed, now how many ppl r on early 1st gen digital unDSLable RTs that are local power utility fed with (hopefully) 8 hrs battery backup? There is no law that pots needs more than 4-8 hrs of backup power, even then some RTs dont have working or existant backup batteries due to vandalism or neglect. The generator forever was in the overengineered (in a good way) days of cold war nuclear distruction days when Bell cared abourt quality (it was practically part of the us govt at the time), now its a for profit corporation, nuff said. IMO RTs need to be fed by seperate power grid with optionally redundant power links (well if the power follows the fiber and fiber is cut, safe to assume power can be cut too, what point is a running RT if it has no data connection? Correct me if im wrong but RTs dont have redundant backbone lines rite? Also natural gas (if avaible) or diesel or solar wit overnigh batteries generators would be perfect or maybe hydrogen fuel cell (last longer less maintence, 7 day fuel supply or longer required, no moving parts) if not on a telco power grid. | |
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Noobie
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join:2000-08-30
Rohnert Park, CA
1 edit | Sounds good to me? 6mb I have 3 now 6 will be nice, and if you look at the rest of todays news AT&T no Bandwidth restrictions. Who wins? Broadband wins everytime in that catagory.
Verison and Cable limit you! Good old AT&T don't and hopfully never will thats the differance. Right??? Yep!
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Texas Gooner
Premium
join:2000-07-17
San Benito, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Sounds good to me? 6mb I've got 3 as well, and as soon as Homezone is available in my area, I'll upgrade to 6 to take advantage of the VOD and other services.
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| said by inciter :I have 3 now 6 will be nice, and if you look at the rest of todays news AT&T no Bandwidth restrictions. Who wins? Broadband wins everytime in that catagory. Verison and Cable limit you! Good old AT&T don't and hopfully never will thats the differance. Right??? Yep! since we can't upload much or download much why would their be any restriction??? | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
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if you look at the rest of todays news AT&T no Bandwidth restrictions...Verison and Cable limit you!
What limits does Verizon have in place? You need to read those news articles again. They are talking about Verizon Wireless (EVDO), not DSL and FIOS. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Why bash This bursting thing is no different than what Docsis has been doing for years its just that we call it overselling instead of bursting. | |
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA | 6Mbps is enough For most users right now, 6Mbps is overkill for web browsing, gaming, etc... I am sorry but companies aren't out to please the minority. | |
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Brianv5
Low Level Functionary
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join:2001-01-20
Keyser, WV |  How about 1 mb up FIRST!
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
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said by Brianv5 :Keep your increased downloads... BUMP THE FREAKIN UPLOADS! why would tthey do that just to please one person?
you're looking at a pipe dream
it'll never happen
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join:2005-05-04
Atlanta, GA
| Re: How about 1 mb up FIRST! I love the BS 6M I get now... I have 3 people in the house using computers on the web at the same time as well as my VOIP line in use -- no slowdown, no breakups on the line... Constant speed.
Less than 6M -- no way... More would be nice to keep up with the other companies and as people add more wireless items to the house and VOIP lines...
But...for now... 6 is nice...  | |
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Premium
join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
·AT&T Yahoo
| said by attsbcisgay :said by Brianv5 :Keep your increased downloads... BUMP THE FREAKIN UPLOADS! why would tthey do that just to please one person? Make that two people.
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join:2001-02-21
| 6Mbps Yeah, 6Mbps is more than enough for "average" users. For those that just check their email, and visit a few websites, 6Mbps is overkill.
However, it's not enough for some of us users (including myself). Hopefully, this 6Mbps will just be in the beginning, with speed upgrades later. | |
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join:2001-12-20
KingstonON
| Re: I wonder.... Cogeco in Canada seems to have it right. I am a standard subscriber that pays 45cdn a month for 7mbs which they just increased from 5mbs with no price increase.
or you can have the pro package which is 10meg/1meg service. I had it for about 6 months, and decided 70 dollars a month wasn't worth those few sites that downloaded at 1100Kb/sec | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: I wonder....said by Pete_64 :Cogeco in Canada seems to have it right. I am a standard subscriber that pays 45cdn a month for 7mbs which they just increased from 5mbs with no price increase. or you can have the pro package which is 10meg/1meg service. I had it for about 6 months, and decided 70 dollars a month wasn't worth those few sites that downloaded at 1100Kb/sec THIS I COULD UNDERSTAND
but why some wanting to downgrade from 6.0 to 3.0 to save 10 bucks a month is insane... needs prozac?
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: 6Mbps said by pepperxn :Yeah, 6Mbps is more than enough for "average" users. For those that just check their email, and visit a few websites, 6Mbps is overkill. Your "average user" definition is quite outdated - users nowadays watch videos or download files.
Shocking, huh? It wasn't part of the everyday use last time you have checked, circa 1996, huh? 
However, it's not enough for some of us users (including myself). Hopefully, this 6Mbps will just be in the beginning, with speed upgrades later.
It's not enough for anybody except some slowed-down folks in the boonies who only checks emails. | |
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join:2005-11-26
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Kamm, why are you such a grump? We know you love us, buddy, but your posts are allways filled with smart assed vitrol. I'd probably fall down gasping if I were to see a post from you that actually showed some thought and was not in attack mode, like you are smarter and know more than everyone here and how dare we express an opinion.
Step back and breathe, buddy. You'll have a thrombosis. | |
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Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | What happened to upstream? I don't care what the speeds are for downloading. I'm content with 1.5 as long as it's consistent. I'm more concerned about upload. | |
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join:2002-05-28
Tallmadge, OH
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| 6MB is enough?! Here I sit in AT&T land (formally SBC, before that Ameritech, before that Ohio Bell, before that AT&T) looking at Verizon FiOS customers with envy.
Verizon gets it. 20MB down/5MB up and FiOS TV on the horizon.
AT&T wake up! 6MB max? Copper is dead. Fiber is the way to go.
Please Verizon, buy out AT&T so we can get some fiber in our technological diet. | |
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join:2006-01-13
San Jose, CA
| Re: 6MB is enough?! said by dustman81 :Here I sit in AT&T land (formally SBC, before that Ameritech, before that Ohio Bell, before that AT&T) looking at Verizon FiOS customers with envy. Verizon gets it. 20MB down/5MB up and FiOS TV on the horizon. AT&T wake up! 6MB max? Copper is dead. Fiber is the way to go. Please Verizon, buy out AT&T so we can get some fiber in our technological diet. HAHAHAHAH I LIKE HOW YOU SAID THIS! | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: 6MB is enough?!
Yes, I can see Verizon buying out Ma Bell now. Especially seeing that Ma Bell is twice the size.
and, copper is not dead. Far from it. FLASH!! POTS will be around for a while yet.
When Ma gets herself back together, you be sure to come back and tell us about it, hear? You know old Ma loves you, dont you? | |
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CO_Chris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO | Re: 6MB is enough?! copper is not dead. Far from it. FLASH!! POTS will be around for a while yet.
If it not dead why is Verizon pulling it up when they lay FIOS? Because IT"S DEAD News Flash | |
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join:2005-11-26
| Re: 6MB is enough?!
Ummm... FLASH!! That's Verizons decision. What about the people that dont have the fiber? Or, the box on the wall? Verizon is only a very small part of the overall picture.
What about AT&T? if they are using copper, I guess it will be around for a while, never mind those who dont get internet or TV service. If Ma Bell follows her usual path, they wont install the stuff for "project Lightspeed" untill they need to to hook up a customer. There will be people with just POTS for years to come. FLASH!! | |
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I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| South Korean Broadband BS With just a little research one can find out the truth about the broadband utopia in South Korea.
The South Korean government built the back bone at a cost of 24 Billion. For the US government to do the same would cost 167 Billion. The odds of that happening are 0.
The South Korean government does not regulate the industry.
South Korea gave low interest loans of 77 million in two years to build the network. The US would have to loan 597 million.
The average speed is 8 mgb with a top speed of 20 mgb.
With cut throat competition all the major providers of broadband service in South Korea are struggling. The biggest failure has been Korea Thrunet, the country’s third-largest broadband supplier, which filed for bankruptcy last year and remains unsold.
Now you know that Bruce Kushnick and his Teletruth is a liar and stooge for CLEC and ISPs.
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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join:2004-09-02
Mountains
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clubs: | Re: ADSL2+/ReADSL2+ AT&T is using VDSL2 for approx 25mbps (50 w/ pair bonding)
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: ADSL2+/ReADSL2+ I wonder if you don't want TV if you would have the option of more internet speed. I doubt it, guess I'll have to move to a verizon area! We all know roadrunner won't increase speeds that much without competition, and this 6Mbit isn't exactly it. | |
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join:2001-12-14
Houston, TX
| Re: I forget who said it first but.. said by Rick :their logo really does remind me of the death Star. I probably wasn't the first, but my tag line hasn't changed for almost 5 years . . . LOL
The more things change . . .
I'm thinkin' of changing my tag line to: "There's a sucker born every minute . . . and 2 to take 'em". That would align me with not only the AT$T corporate philosphy but the current mindset of most of our politicians . . . -grin-
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join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL | Flex Bandwidth What AT&T should do is offer flexable bandwidth. What I mean is, offer 20Mb to every house. If you chose to hook up 3 TVs and drive the internet bandwidth down to 6Mb, then fine. If you have one TV, then move it up to 14MB. | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Flex Bandwidth quote:
What AT&T should do is offer flexable bandwidth. What I mean is, offer 20Mb to every house. If you chose to hook up 3 TVs and drive the internet bandwidth down to 6Mb, then fine. If you have one TV, then move it up to 14MB.
Of course, this is IPTV, so even if you hook up 3 TV's, you're not necessarily using them all at the same time. I'm guessing this is what AT&T will mean by their version of "burst".
In most of these articles, AT&T has hinted that "pair bonding" and compression will keep LightSpeed up to snuff. I think they need to just plan on pair bonding out the gate, that would allow for enough bandwidth for HDTV and "next gen" level speeds.
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Flex Bandwidth said by djrobx : quote:
What AT&T should do is offer flexable bandwidth. What I mean is, offer 20Mb to every house. If you chose to hook up 3 TVs and drive the internet bandwidth down to 6Mb, then fine. If you have one TV, then move it up to 14MB.
Of course, this is IPTV, so even if you hook up 3 TV's, you're not necessarily using them all at the same time. I'm guessing this is what AT&T will mean by their version of "burst". In most of these articles, AT&T has hinted that "pair bonding" and compression will keep LightSpeed up to snuff. I think they need to just plan on pair bonding out the gate, that would allow for enough bandwidth for HDTV and "next gen" level speeds. NOt everyone is going to need pair bonding out of the gate. VDSL2 can do 100mbs at 1000 feet. If the person has HD and at great enough distance, they should pairbond without question. | |
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Last year I was happy when I could get 3mb down, because it seemed like I needed it......Now this year, I bumped it up to 6mb with SBC (Now ATT) and it seems fast enough, but I am sure next year I will be looking for a speed boost again. The more we get, the more we want. | |
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join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL | Re: Its all relative.... "Last year I was happy when I could get 3mb down, because it seemed like I needed it......"
For all that porn, huh?  just kiddin' | |
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SDKiwi
VIP
join:2002-05-27
El Cajon, CA
| Article facts are in question ..."akin to Comcast's recently announced "Powerboost", which is driven by PacketCable Multimedia (PCMM) technology from Camiant."
I don't believe this statement is accurate at all. Cox announced an agreement with Camiant for PCMM, Comcast did not say they were using this technology for "bursting".
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | .. hrm... wonder if their tv will be able to handle several streams of HD signals if they can only give "6mbits" of bandwith | |
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Mike
join:2004-10-28
Littlestown, PA
| 6Mb could be enough, if it was just better. 6Mb would be enough if one the bandwidth was actually symmetrical, the same up and down stream. Two there were no restrictions on it like most ISPs have now, blocked ports, hidden caps, etc. And three if the performance of the connection was closer to what one expects a business connection would get, ie 4 bonded T-1s.
Heck if those were true 3Mb would be plenty.
For the most part the continuing increase of downstream speed is just a marketing ploy.
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