7 Tower Deaths In 5 WeeksThree of which were on AT&T projects... ( old news - 03:05PM Wednesday May 28 2008) tags: business · wirelessTipped by moonpuppy  Tower climbing is one of the world's most dangerous professions (in terms of death rate per 100,000 employees), something a recent body count spike only highlights. Last month I noted that five climbers died in a one week period. Two more deaths this month brings the total to seven deaths within five weeks and has brought even greater attention to industry safety practices. Three of the accidents occurred on AT&T projects, but AT&T is quick to claim it's not because of their HSUPA upgrades: A spokesman for AT&T Mobile confirms that Jonathan Guilford was working on a tower for an AT&T 3G network, but denies that his death or the others had anything to do with the June deadline. "That is a software upgrade," says William Marks. "You go to each tower and use a laptop to perform the upgrade at the base station at the bottom of the tower. There is no need to climb towers." Of course while the HSUPA upgrades are software, upgrading a market from EDGE to HSDPA does involve hardware work. After the first two deaths last month, AT&T sent this notice to its tower construction subcontractors: AT&T
requires you to hold, at a minimum, a half-day safety refresher training course this week with all of your construction employees and subcontractors providing services for AT&T. Upon completion of the safety refresher training this week, AT&T expects that you will reinforce this training with additional random safety checks at the construction sites to ensure that appropriate safety measures are being used. Wireless Estimator has more on the seventh death, a TV tower worker in South Florida. While accidental deaths from elevated structures aren't exactly rare (there were 18 in 2006), the concentrated number of cell tower fatalities are. The industry was fatality free between December 2007 and April 2008. Related:- Google Voice Invitations Going Out
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| It may be dangerous It may be dangerous, but it sure does look like fun once you get up there.
Of course the climb itself isn't fun :-P
And I can only imagine how bad it is in the winter with those cold gusts of wind.
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join:2003-11-13 Floral Park, NY | Re: It may be dangerous I think I would $h*t myself climbing that tower in the picture | |
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join:2003-11-13 Floral Park, NY | Re: It may be dangerous Gives me the shakes looking at it | |
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join:2003-11-07 Carol Stream, IL | Re: It may be dangerous I would love that job!!! (Except for the cold that is)..
I hear it pays pretty good to! | |
|  |  |  |  |   neonhomer Honoray Mythbuster Premium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | I don't even climb on 14' ladders... Climbing a cell tower would probably give me a stroke! | |
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| said by PhoenixDown :Imagine being the guy who took the photo! I look at that picture and get sick. Probably taken from a helicopter. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by dvd536 :said by PhoenixDown :Imagine being the guy who took the photo! I look at that picture and get sick. Probably taken from a helicopter. No way. The rotor wash would blow those men right off the tower. | |
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by yock :said by dvd536 :said by PhoenixDown :Imagine being the guy who took the photo! I look at that picture and get sick. Probably taken from a helicopter. No way. The rotor wash would blow those men right off the tower. Ever hear of telephoto lenses? -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by LiamJunket :Ever hear of telephoto lenses? Just how far away do you think they were to get a shot so well composed as that? On a moving platform no less? Was the photographer leaning out the side of the chopper or did the pilot hover on the tail rotor while the photographer set up his shot?
That show was taken from the tower. I have absolutely no doubt. | |
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1 edit | Re: It may be dangerous said by yock :said by LiamJunket :Ever hear of telephoto lenses? Just how far away do you think they were to get a shot so well composed as that? On a moving platform no less? Was the photographer leaning out the side of the chopper or did the pilot hover on the tail rotor while the photographer set up his shot? That show was taken from the tower. I have absolutely no doubt. Agree,Probably the photogs foot.

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join:2005-05-22 Monroe, MI | No way, that is shot by a guy strapped to the (probable Alan-Dick panel) antenna just like the two guys doing the work. | |
|  |  |  |  |   FiL Premium join:2005-08-16 Silver Spring, MD | Yea man, you can see the photog's foot in the pic... he was above the guys working the tower. Hell, all 3 of 'em were working the tower of hell, if u ask me. Crazy! | |
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join:2001-07-27 Seattle, WA | Re: It may be dangerous that looks like either one of the VHF TV or FM antennas on empire state...
The photo was taken by another climber, it was in some periodical a while back with the citation. | |
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| said by nklb :It may be dangerous, but it sure does look like fun once you get up there. Of course the climb itself isn't fun :-P And I can only imagine how bad it is in the winter with those cold gusts of wind. It's certainly not everyone's cup of tea. I would definitely do it given the opportunity... I just don't see how if they're following proper safety protocols and such, how so many are going down... It seems that safety hasn't been a priority in the tower industry as of late -- Any unauthorized copying or distribution of the opinion above constitutes stupidity and you should probably be punished
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| Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. The restraining cable is less than 6' long (much longer than that and the abrupt deceleration will physically harm you, but having known people who have dropped while wearing the safety cables even a 6' drop can mess your back up really bad) so if you are moving around the structure a lot you are constantly having to move the restraint cable and for a task where you are moving constantly and making minor adjustments most workers simply drop the safety cable.
It's a real hassle to get workers to use the safety gear they are provided, in most cases you have to threaten to terminate them as most think they are invincible. The deaths in the industry are likely for the same reasons. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? This has really nothing to do with any company in particular, it's endemic in the entire work area regardless of the high work being performed, whether it's tieing steel, welding, forming, concrete pouring, communication work or any other type of construction work. OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. | |
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by rahvin112 :Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. The restraining cable is less than 6' long (much longer than that and the abrupt deceleration will physically harm you, but having known people who have dropped while wearing the safety cables even a 6' drop can mess your back up really bad) so if you are moving around the structure a lot you are constantly having to move the restraint cable and for a task where you are moving constantly and making minor adjustments most workers simply drop the safety cable. It's a real hassle to get workers to use the safety gear they are provided, in most cases you have to threaten to terminate them as most think they are invincible. The deaths in the industry are likely for the same reasons. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? This has really nothing to do with any company in particular, it's endemic in the entire work area regardless of the high work being performed, whether it's tieing steel, welding, forming, concrete pouring, communication work or any other type of construction work. OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade.
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by David :said by rahvin112 :OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade. Second time, you were talking to the Dean of Employers (I think that's what they called him). OSHA has been systematically NEUTERED for OVER 30 years due to employer pressures, and complaints to federal, state and local governments...
Most workers are "instructed" in proper safety and then pressured to forgo safety to speed up "the job", those who refuse to abide by company wishes, usually find themselves without work... -- RIAA/MPAA... Bite me!!!! In constant search for intelligent life on Earth! | |
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| Re: It may be dangerous said by MySay :I constructed, painted, and replaced bulbs on towers for 8 years. It's not that bad... as many people think, always telling me how crazy I was for doing it! As long as you're moving, you have the harness and security clips on you... but they're not connected (of course, since you're on the move). You can only latch while at a stand-still. Also, you never want to forget your gloves... as you won't make it far. Even with gloves on, the blisters are hell (especially on 1+Kers). Looking down is also alright... (if you got the nerves to do the climbing, the heights isn't a big deal). Look UP... that's the problem. With clouds rolling by, it gives the illusion the tower is falling sideways... a feeling that is still bothersome, after many years of climbing! Then, you have to worry about obsticles attached to the tower... some which will literally blow a body part off, if it moved infront of (microwave). Some towers, you had to make a running jump onto... as if you were touching the ground while the tower at the same time, it would kill you. Not a profession for the faint of heart... but, you can't beat the pay! $500+ for an hour or two of work. NOTE: Referring to a post earlier in the thread... you DO NOT climb in adverse weather. That's just common sense! BTW, replaced a bulb at 1.2K ft... and tossed it. The bulb bounced on the ground below 3 times, and NEVER busted! I have it in my room, signed and dated w/ the location on it! Umm, current requirements is 100% connection and with modern Y fall arrest gear it is entirely possible even when on the move. Although a major PITA when climbing a ladder unless you have a cable arrest system because every rung you have to clip and unclip | |
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| said by jwersan :said by David :said by rahvin112 :OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade. Second time, you were talking to the Dean of Employers (I think that's what they called him). OSHA has been systematically NEUTERED for OVER 30 years due to employer pressures, and complaints to federal, state and local governments... Most workers are "instructed" in proper safety and then pressured to forgo safety to speed up "the job", those who refuse to abide by company wishes, usually find themselves without work... Funny after doing a lot of major jobs in the communications and electrical industries I don't find that to be true. I do find a lot of workers blaming the companies for "pressuring" them when in reality they made a bad call that got someone injured.
In death #7 the person died while supposedly rappelling down the load line which is a huge no no. Also from reading the description the block assembly was not secured with a self-locking carabiner another no no for this industry when using a line for life safety.
I see a lot of guys who like to do this because it's cool, not for any real speed reason. | |
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| said by rahvin112 :Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? I think you hit on the major problem. And no amount of further regulation is going to change this problem 1 little bit. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Three words.
No.....F*&KING Way........
God bless 'em, man. I could never do it.
Of course, I have people tell me all they time they wouldn't want my job, but no way. I couldn't do it. -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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|  |  |  |   bobjohnson Premium join:2007-02-03 Titusville, FL | Re: My thoughts go out... yeah, we all are hit or miss on safety under deadline.. As a cable contractor 20' up on a line installing a drop.. im probably not wearing a harness, but 400'+ you think would be common sense compared to protocol | |
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| Re: My thoughts go out... said by bobjohnson :As a cable contractor 20' up on a line installing a drop.. im probably not wearing a harness, Idiot... At least wear the belt... its so much easier (and faster) to work witha body belt on... | |
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| You don't have enough money . . . to pay me to do THAT job.
I get the heebie-jeebies just looking at the photo.
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|   imtim83 You All Deserve The Economic Meltdown Premium join:2001-06-03 Kenner, LA | Have they ever hit a person walking by? The ones that fell and died. I can't see how they couldn't have or at least went through a window. | |
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| Re: Have they ever hit a person walking by? said by imtim83 :The ones that fell and died. I can't see how they couldn't have or at least went through a window. Well, most towers, unlike the one in the picture above (which is on Top of The Empire State Building I beleive) are located in areas where there is not much to fall on immediately below them. Either in a rural setting with plenty of land or at least a fenced lot around them for keeping people away. | |
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| Re: Have they ever hit a person walking by? said by LeeWL :said by imtim83 :The ones that fell and died. I can't see how they couldn't have or at least went through a window. Well, most towers, unlike the one in the picture above (which is on Top of The Empire State Building I beleive) are located in areas where there is not much to fall on immediately below them. Either in a rural setting with plenty of land or at least a fenced lot around them for keeping people away. Ok but couldn't they fall outward outside of the fence zone ? Lets say their rope is about to break and they are swinging to catch part of the tower again but while doing this the rope breaks when swinging outward? | |
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| Re: Safety is everything said by Transmaster :they must have cojones as big as watermelons. Maybe that's why they fell 
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| As a mutiple tower owner and experienced climber, I can tell you that most of the deaths are attributable to structural failures, either in the tower or in the saftey equipment itself. It's hard to know how rusty a bolt is if it has been painted over numerous times. I change my fall arrest harnesses and positiong lanyards at least once a year and I only climb about two towers per month on average. If I was climbing more, I'd be changing them more often. As for "safety belts" mentioned by one of the hams on the list, I hope you don't expect this to save you if you fall during a climb. Belts are good for static positioning and holding you in one place. If you fall while moving and your lanyard snaps that belt after a 6 foot descent, it will probably snap your back. The only safe way to climb is with a full harness. | |
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1 edit | Re: Safety is everything I have a Klein full harness like the one pictured above. I call it a belt out of habit.  -- Send a prayer to Allah, eat Beans. | |
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| Skyscrapers! Does that picture remind anybody else of those old-time photographs where the construction works who you were building skyscrapers would just sit on the I-beams, and eat their pail-lunches, carefree?
Yeah I don't think so. I'd be moving that carabeaner every 10 seconds if I had to. Hey - you're paid hourly, not by how fast you climb, right?  | |
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| Re: Skyscrapers! said by furlonium :Hey - you're paid hourly, not by how fast you climb, right? Most tower workers AFAIK are paid per climb, so the faster you get it done, the faster you make your money. | |
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| Re: Skyscrapers! said by PolarBear :said by furlonium :Hey - you're paid hourly, not by how fast you climb, right? Most tower workers AFAIK are paid per climb, so the faster you get it done, the faster you make your money. It'd be a shame to only climb one tower in a day and make $300 
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| Re: Skyscrapers! said by furlonium :It'd be a shame to only climb one tower in a day and make $300 From what I've heard, they make 5 to 10 times that. | |
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| Re: Skyscrapers! Depending on the job, it varies. For simply changing a light bulb... the company I worked for charged for trip, hotel (if we had to stay), and by the climb distance.
Usually, I'd average about $400-$500 per climb (a couple hours at most); however, the company I worked for would charge $2-3K just for MY labor. Seems expensive, but it's small peanuts... compared to the fine they'd face, for not keeping the tower within regulations. | |
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| Re: Broadcast tower collapse topples sister structure in Georgia said by xpkranger :(youtube clip) This was a good example of the dangers of using explosives to drop a structure that has a likelihood of falling on part of the supporting structure (guy wires) of another nearby structure. The proper way to down this structure is with a jin pole and a crane, section by section. I hope the contractor has good liability insurance. He's going to need it. | |
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2 edits | Done this for 8 years... I constructed, painted, and replaced bulbs on towers for 8 years. It's not that bad... as many people think, always telling me how crazy I was for doing it!
As long as you're moving, you have the harness and security clips on you... but they're not connected (of course, since you're on the move). You can only latch while at a stand-still. Also, you never want to forget your gloves... as you won't make it far. Even with gloves on, the blisters are hell (especially on 1+Kers). Looking down is also alright... (if you got the nerves to do the climbing, the heights isn't a big deal). Look UP... that's the problem. With clouds rolling by, it gives the illusion the tower is falling sideways... a feeling that is still bothersome, after many years of climbing!
Then, you have to worry about obsticles attached to the tower... some which will literally blow a body part off, if it moved infront of (microwave). Some towers, you had to make a running jump onto... as if you were touching the ground while the tower at the same time, it would kill you.
Not a profession for the faint of heart... but, you can't beat the pay! $500+ for an hour or two of work.
NOTE: Referring to a post earlier in the thread... you DO NOT climb in adverse weather. That's just common sense!
BTW, replaced a bulb at 1.2K ft... and tossed it. The bulb bounced on the ground below 3 times, and NEVER busted! I have it in my room, signed and dated w/ the location on it!  | |
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| Re: Done this for 8 years... said by MySay :I constructed, painted, and replaced bulbs on towers for 8 years. It's not that bad... as many people think, always telling me how crazy I was for doing it! As long as you're moving, you have the harness and security clips on you... but they're not connected (of course, since you're on the move). You can only latch while at a stand-still. Also, you never want to forget your gloves... as you won't make it far. Even with gloves on, the blisters are hell (especially on 1+Kers). Looking down is also alright... (if you got the nerves to do the climbing, the heights isn't a big deal). Look UP... that's the problem. With clouds rolling by, it gives the illusion the tower is falling sideways... a feeling that is still bothersome, after many years of climbing! Then, you have to worry about obsticles attached to the tower... some which will literally blow a body part off, if it moved infront of (microwave). Some towers, you had to make a running jump onto... as if you were touching the ground while the tower at the same time, it would kill you. Not a profession for the faint of heart... but, you can't beat the pay! $500+ for an hour or two of work. NOTE: Referring to a post earlier in the thread... you DO NOT climb in adverse weather. That's just common sense! BTW, replaced a bulb at 1.2K ft... and tossed it. The bulb bounced on the ground below 3 times, and NEVER busted! I have it in my room, signed and dated w/ the location on it! Umm, current requirements is 100% connection and with modern Y fall arrest gear it is entirely possible even when on the move. | |
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join:2002-01-17 Enola, PA | you've climbed to 1.2K???? my friend, you have balls of absolute brass. the heights thing scares the living snot out of me; my limit is the 4th step on a 6' step ladder. bub | |
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| Dangerous indeed It is indeed a dangerous job. At my shop we are all trained, and aware of the danger. The fall is not what kills, it's the sudden stop....
I fear the fall into the harness more than I do just falling off. The pain and suffering that must be endured from the fall into the restraints is more than I think I can bear. I actually enjoy climbing though. It can be relaxing, even though it is very rough on the body it always pays off. -- "No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely." -- AT&T --Safety One Tower Rescue Certified --LLigetfa:"Wimax is like teenage sex. Everyone talks about doing it." | |
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| Saftey is the 1st Priority From what I've read here, safety was not enforced. Just think if your the company that holds the $2M+ insurance policy what your rates will be hiked to after an accident ewh? You would price yourself out of business just paying the premiums. Send a Supervisor to every climb. Send your climbers to safety class at least every 2 years (If nothing else to keep them on their toes).
For instance, this climber is an idiot and if a supervisor would have inspected the job this job would have been denied. Might I add the engineer would have been terminated for not adding the safety floor. The tower owner never should have allowed the install without the service floor.
 WHAT NOT TO DO God Bless the Families of the departed climbers.
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join:2003-11-15 Ottawa, ON | Re: Saftey is the 1st Priority I knew someone that used to climb towers. He got paid really well and spent much of it on cocaine which seemed to defeat the body's natural request to stop climbing. | |
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| Re: Saftey is the 1st Priority its not that bad, once you get past 30' your gonna die anyway so why not keep going up, the higher you get the better the view and breeze, and longer breaks when the groud monkeys are hauling your gear up.
All regulations aside I honestly believe that in good conditions, 100% tie-off is more dangerous. on a long climb of 300+ ft, I(free climbing) can get to the worksite, finish the job at hand and make it down without fatigue, while someone who is practicing 'safe' 100% tie-off will have arms that feel like rubber by the time he gets to the top.
I honestly dont feel sorry for people who fall and die unless a tower component failed, its YOUR safety gear, if you want to misuse and neglect it....ill be making overtime during your funeral. | |
|  |   AMD Phreak Premium join:2003-12-14 | Mindbender, what are you saying is wrong with that picture? I am unsure as to what you are seeing. | |
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| Re: Saftey is the 1st Priority Do you see the steel mesh "floor" on the equipment arms above the one where the guy is working? That is a safety feature which allows the worker to climb the tower then stand safely while working with the equipment on each arm.
The guy in the picture is sitting on and has his legs wrapped around one of the arms and is trying to balance himself while opening and working on a piece of equipment tied to the same arm he is wrapped around. Imagine trying to remove a card or unscrew wires and hookups that have been attached with power tools while trying to sit on that small round bar with your arms wrapped around it. Not only that but the "thing" you are working on is offset and outside the bar by a foot or two enclosed in a box that you can't turn around to face you.
Now imagine if, like the arms above, there was a steel platform for him to stand on that allowed him to essentially stand completely safely while working from above on the same piece of equipment. See the difference? | |
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3 edits | Re: Saftey is the 1st Priority Thats what I figured the poster was referring to.....
I still do not see how that is an "OMG LOOK!!!111!" as one might say. Monopole structures without work platforms are very common all over the world. A lot of times companies will use a boom truck to get to the arrays for PM's (Preventative Maintenance), installations, and removals. There are always the instances where you cannot get your boom truck into the site to lift a man in a bucket up and in those cases you just climb it and work it.
I've worked countless times on antennas out on side arms/frames like that. There are no rules or regulations about it that I know of. You just have to mind your limbs and be aware of what is going on. You must also be attached to the structure using your fall arrestor and work positioning lanyards. Ensuring that the structure is 100% secure for climbing is also important. A lot of times things that seem secure and not going to move or break are not. There ARE regulations about this (selecting points and areas for tie off) and they MUST be followed. Without seeing more of that structure I cannot comment on how safe that man is.
And FWIW there are no "cards" and no "opening" devices. Everything that you see in that picture (without looking closer and knowing what is on the tower) is just a non-active component, aka its an antenna. There are probably only two coaxial connectors on there for a cross-polarized array and those are large connections which are easy to grab and work with. The nuts and bolts that attach that antenna to the steel are large (usually 7/8's-inch or larger) so ultra-fine dexterity is not required. Any "repair" work done on the antenna means you remove the thing off the tower and lower it down to the groundhand and do a complete swap out. No field repairs required.
Not to get off topic though. My heart goes out to the techs that have perished in these accidents. Those of us in the tower industry feel a close bond to our brethren much like power linemen do. It's a dangerous job, stress runs high, but you always are your brothers keeper. -- "No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely." -- AT&T --Safety One Tower Rescue Certified --LLigetfa:"Wimax is like teenage sex. Everyone talks about doing it." | |
|   wonko3fc Verbum sat sapienti
join:2001-06-02 UK
·BT Broadband
| Madness Having worked in the industry for a couple of decades, done some roof top work myself, although nothing as dramatic as the picture shown, I've always maintained that; No one should die, so that someone else can make a phone call.
Sadly, not everyone I've come across shares that view with profit overriding common sense so that undue pressure is applied on those risking their lives.
I've witnessed on to many occasions pressure with comments such as "We must get it built on time" and "I don't care - do whatever it takes"
Fortunately in my personal experience, no one has ever been seriously hurt as a result. However, I hear when they do, the pressurisers say things along the lines of "Well, I never told them to do x or y" and "They were fully trained and equipped for safety"
How these people sleep at night is beyond me. | |
|  Ulmo
join:2005-09-22 San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| Suspicious I think there are mass murderers and genocidal types that occasionally stumble upon new ways to kill people, and there is a strong enough possibility that they found a way to do it with towers and therefore might be behind this type of thing. I don't know how high the possibility is, but I'm always suspicious of it in "accidents" and "suicides". Such suspicions are very often confirmed.
However, none of that takes away from the seriousness of how dangerous it is. It is more important to be safe about it than worry about those weird suspicions, at least for now, unless you're some target group or something. | |
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