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Columbus, OH | Yet another reason SBC sucks 3-6Mb? Over Fiber? They really are in their own little world. | |
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC
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| Re: Yet another reason SBC sucks hahahaha! That's hilarious. They are going to deploy fiber only to give 3-6 Mb? Wow, I thought copper was capable of that, and more...and guess what else, it is already deployed!!!
Why is it that people lose common sense when they become the executive of a company? I hope that doesn't happen to me...
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Yet another reason SBC sucks said by King P  :hahahaha! That's hilarious. They are going to deploy fiber only to give 3-6 Mb? Wow, I thought copper was capable of that, and more...and guess what else, it is already deployed!!! Fiber is capable of delivering 100 Mbps to every house without much problem. I think the biggest concern that providers have at this moment is the bandwidth they have available to the Internet. Sure, they probabably have 10, 20 or more Gbps connection to the Internet, but as soon as you deliver 100 Mbps to customers, not to soon afterwards there WILL be people affiliated with some warez-crew that has a release server on his line and generates a few terabytes of traffic each month. 
That being said, I think deploying fiber with anything less then 10 Mbps is stupid. If you are going to deploy the technology, give users something MORE then your average DSL or Cable speeds.
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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| Re: Yet another reason SBC sucks I am getting rather fed up with SBC (ATT). Now the local cable company has a 10mb/s tier for the same price as SBC's 6mb/s tier! Rediculous! How about some actual competition?
I have to wait almost another year to switch over though, since I just had to renew for another year with SBC.
My SBC/ATT ratings are dropping fast.
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Yet another reason SBC sucks said by jimbo2150 :I am getting rather fed up with SBC (ATT). Now the local cable company has a 10mb/s tier for the same price as SBC's 6mb/s tier! Rediculous! How about some actual competition? I have to wait almost another year to switch over though, since I just had to renew for another year with SBC. My SBC/ATT ratings are dropping fast. Thats why I am not going to go with their DSL plans.
1) I am at 12k ft of the CO. The best speeds I am EVER going to get at that distance is about 8 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up. Even ADSL2+ or VDSL2+ or whatever it is these days isn't going to give me any good speeds at 12k ft. You have to be under 10k ft for any of the good stuff. And they aren't going to be dropping fiber in my back yard any time soon.... DSL is still based on your analog phone line, and therefore copper all the way from your local CO to your house.
2) DOCSIS 2.0 (the current cable standard) and even DOCSIS 1.1 is already capable of delivering 10 down, 1 up to every home, regardless of the distance. Optimum Online has done it for years now (10/1), and even the cable TRIALS back in 1996/97 before the technology broke through was already 10 Mbps down. And given the fact there are cable companies that offer 15/2 to compete with FIOS, and some companies are introducing DOCSIS 2 based connections of 30 or even 50 Mbps.... And given the fact that 90% of today's Cable networks are already "fiber to the street" or "fiber to the block", I know that cable can deliver.
In short: TV-Cable and Fiber have the future. DSL only has future if it involves fiber between the CO and somewhere really close to your house.
I only get 5 Mbps down and 384 up with TWC at the moment, and the only thing faster then that is paying $10 more for a 6 Mbps down, 608 up connection. Which my neighbor has, and he has to reset his modem every few days because of the 12k distance. No thanks.
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join:2001-09-15
Stockbridge, GA | No that is incorrect, Backbone capacity is more than enough. What they are trying to do is recoup the money for all that dark fiber that's in the ground now.
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| With SBC you might be suprised at their internet connection. While this will change since the merger, since SBC didn't have any long distance lines most of their regions had individual internet connections to a Tier-1 like Sprint. The actual bandwidth wasn't a huge amount as it didn't have to be agregated.
Some cable companies are worse. For example in some markets Adelphia runs the community off of 2 T-1s.
Fiber deployments are more than just about providing fast internet speeds, which sitting on a 45Mbps pipe I can tell isn't that much faster than what you have now. They also eventually will allow for deployment of TV and other services and allow for a much greater revenue basis per customer.
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join:2005-06-19
66308
| Funny as hell some you are waiting for SBC ! SBC and Verizon run their companies like any companies that aren't interested in common good. Remember them no wanting to wire up the distant communities with phone service . Costs them money.
It's all about targetting the rich. Redlining.
There needs to be a real 3rd alternative.
NATIONAL low priced Fiber ! All it takes is some donation money and volunteers ! | |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | You're right, Copper is capable of 9/1 (in optimal conditions) per line installed to the home (usually up to 8).
Theoretically you could have 18/2 (mbps d/u) in a typical 2 phone line home, aggregated. WAY more then sufficient for TVoIP. | |
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join:2004-09-12
Roseville, CA
| indeed :/
you can already get more then that from most cable providers on the download side at least. Not sure if they synchronous down/up or not. The only advantage to sbc would customers would be the extra upload which not everyone needs unless your uploading big picts, filesharing, etc. | |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
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| said by hamburglar_ :3-6Mb? Over Fiber? They really are in their own little world. Well as the time passes them by they will be in there own world.They would rather spend millions to lobby than a cent to upgrade.Don't worry its going to bite them in the ass hard soon.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Yet another reason SBC sucks They will not offer the higher speeds right now because they are laying the ground work for future rate increases, they will ramp up the speed along with the monthly cost. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by hamburglar_ :3-6Mb? Over Fiber? They really are in their own little world. Thats better than the 1.5mbps that Qwest is giving over its fibre. *yawn* why even bother when cable can STILL beat that.
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Smyrna, DE | WOWzers 3-6mbps max over fiber is so fast I dont know what to do with this Very Fast Speed!!! We here on the east coast will be getting 7.1mbps on copper DSL lines! Even Cable companies offer faster speeds than SBC(AT&T)on cable. | |
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join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| Why complain? What do you care if they give you 3-6 meg or 20 meg? They're going to throttle it down to oblivion, cap your speeds, and kick you off if you actually use it anyways...
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join:2003-09-12
Appleton, WI
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| Re: Why complain? said by Wills :What do you care if they give you 3-6 meg or 20 meg? They're going to throttle it down to oblivion, cap your speeds, and kick you off if you actually use it anyways... I don't recall ever hearing of SBC capping anyones speeds, ever. I've never heard of them kicking people off for doing stuff either. Lots of people run servers on their home SBC connections and they aren't kicked off. Maybe you're thinking of one of the cable providers that caps people and doesn't let them do stuff on their connection. | |
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join:2002-04-29
Columbus, OH | Re: Why complain? Never had a problem with either cable provider here. Been running my own servers since 1997. | |
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Dish network? "The fiber optics in the Settlers Ridge subdivision will offer a speed of 3 to 6 megabits per second and Dish network for television, Pund said."
Dish network for tv? Did I miss something here? Isn't the point of laying fiber to compete against dish and cable? | |
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join:2002-04-29
Columbus, OH | Re: Dish network? If it doesn't have a dial-tone, they don't understand it. | |
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join:2004-04-10
Plainfield, IL | AT&T (SBC) still has Dish Network usage for TV. All of these acronyms are driving me crazy  | |
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | I thought SBC owned dish network anyways. | |
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join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | Re: Dish network? No, SBC never owned Dish. They've had a contract with them for years for a triple play bundle to make it easier on their customers and to try and compete against the cable companies. | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| said by ossito16 :I thought SBC owned dish network anyways. No Dish Network and SBC signed a marketing argeement for bundled service, Like Qwest and Direct TV.
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as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Dish network? said by Transmaster :said by ossito16 :I thought SBC owned dish network anyways. No Dish Network and SBC signed a marketing argeement for bundled service, Like Qwest and Direct TV. And guess what happens when you have issues with the video product? SBC says its a DISHNETWORK problem and DISHNETWORK says its a SBC problem. if you want DISHNETWORK, deal with them yourself.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Re: Dish network? said by dvd536 :if you want DISHNETWORK, deal with them yourself. Good advice Dish Network customer service is pretty good. | |
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steve19726
bum
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join:2002-01-17
Chicago, IL
clubs: | what about tommrow's needs? ok, the bandwidth may be sufficient for most people as of today. what about the future? | |
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wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
Premium
join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| Re: what about tommrow's needs? Said by SBC:
“But what we’re finding is that most households are becoming more dependent on broadband access,” he said. “Everything from having kids in school to managing the household.” Duh! What a revelation!
They are just now realizing this???
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Without Honor You Will Never Be Free
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join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC
1 edit | said by wilbilt :Said by SBC: “But what we’re finding is that most households are becoming more dependent on broadband access,” he said. “Everything from having kids in school to managing the household.” Duh! What a revelation! They are just now realizing this??? lol:D When I heard that I was like, Welcome to three years ago. They're a day late and a dollar short. But don't worry they'll increase their rates or add another Un-Fee to recoup that dollar.
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Well.... the advantage of fiber is that you crank up the bandwidth on it fairly easily. Basically, what people get is a 24-lane freeway with only 1 lane blocked off by orange cones. To get more bandwidth, all they have to do is move the cones up 1 lane.
This is also true for DSL and Cable, however DSL is most limited by this as current technologies - even with ADSL2+ and VDSL - require you to be within a certain distance of the CO. Cable does not have the distance problem, and cableproviders are already proving (Optimum Online) that they can deliver great speeds through cable.
If Cable wants to win a big market share, all they have to do is match it up to Verizon's FIOS at 15 down, 2 up. They can do it, they have the technology, and the telco's have no way of catching up unless they deploy fiber and deploy it fast. But instead of beating the market by staying ahead of the pack, they actually wait till they see customers dropping services.....
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Logan 5
A Sense Of Loss On Friday's
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit | Must be nice.... For those in the areas 'blessed' by such a bounty No matter if it's AT&T or Verizon...etc.
I'd love to see SBC/AT&T finally keep their promise and deploy more RT's FIRST so that people like me who are considered 'marginally too far away' from a CO can get something faster then 1.5/384k DSL Service before those people in tiny little areas of the country can get 10/15/20 or 30mbps fiber so they can download their multi gig pr0n, MP3's and p2p *.nix distros and game demos in a matter of minutes....Am I jealous....hell ya!
Is it fair that SBC/AT&T refuses to offer me a better (better=faster) connection because they can't keep a promise Anyone remember Project Pronto?!? yet they can begin offering Fiber to 'select' customers? Hell no!
I know I can 'vote with my wallet' & go to another provider but after almost 7 years of loyalty to Pacific Bell/SBC & now AT&T, there HAS to be some re-focusing of priorities from future customers to retaining the long time ones they already have, unless they just don't give a damn about me in which case maybe it's time to leave after all.
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join:2004-10-13
Provo, UT | Re: Must be nice.... AT&T also offers FTTH in Utah over the UTOPIA network, a muni-fiber initiative. | |
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join:2004-12-10
Kansas City, MO
3 edits |  Re: whats this guy smoking
 i have tw now and he thinks he's going to put 3to 6 mbps here someDAY they are much too late i think he's smoling too much pot i am getting 8 mes on road runner now | |
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| World Recognized and Respected to BlackSheep ATT/SBC are the black sheep of the telcom industry, why would you expect anything else.. for some communities, FTTP will only be accomplished with municipal buildouts.. that's just the way it is, just like Hydrogen cars, if you want the auto industry to build it, you have to do it yourself first.. and prove that market exists. | |
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10-8
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Fallbrook, CA
clubs: | WTF Stop doing these stupid states and wire all of CA damn | |
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ExtremeRFR
join:2005-05-13
West New York, NJ
| AT&T what to expect What to expect with AT&T's new FIBER OPTIC.... well there OPTIC will run up to 25 MB down and 5 MB up....
Sure Verizon is the same but 30 MB down instead... AT&T will be the next generation of high speed service....
Remember we are very behind with technologies... JaPAN has download speed of more than 50 MB down...
Either its AT&T or Verizon... expect to get higher speed for maybe the price for cable internet service.
Pretty soon.... AT&T will introduce TV over optic fiber and it could save u money from cable or sat tv.
If its available, try it out and see a big difference over fiber optic network...
Cable & DSL are the past.... LightProject or Verizon FIOS is the future | |
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gwion
wild colonial boy
Premium,ExMod 2001-08
join:2000-12-28
Pittsburgh, PA
| Unproven and troubled? ... and I'll bet SBC's had fib-op trunks since the early 90's in their own plant. The Pentagon's LAN is fiber, has been since Marconi was called Fore Systems, I remember the contract - I suppose that was a testbed? "Ah, give it a try, worst thing that happens is it crashes around our feet and we nuke Sweden by accident"... what's scary isn't that they may have been fudging the truth for PR, the scary thing is that a telco exec might have actually believed fib-op is some kind of exotic trial tech.
Of course, implicitly myopic arrogance is nothing new. That part -- "who could possibly need more than 640k RAM", right? -- that part's as old as technology, itself, and, had people like Edison and Ford and -- hell, DaVinci, for that matter -- adopted a "who'll ever need ___" logic, we would be lighting our gaslights, tonight, so we could find our ways out to the stable to feed the motor some oats. Planning for today's the easy part of technology. It's building future proof networks that challenges us... otherwise, we toss money on top of money, forever, playing a game of catch-up.
It's not about speed. It's never been about speed. Characterizing fib-op as an "internet technology" is like calling copper wire an "internet technology". They're naked carrier media, period. No more, no less. Welcome to the late twentieth century, Mr. T.
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH
| at least the cables are there at least the cables are there for future expansion. They need to give 1gigabit service for $60/mo to EVERYONE in ATT land though, and then offer their crappy 3 megabits for $20/mo or something. They are not doing anything special as far as the internet, sounds like they have a community dish over fiber (yeah!! someone parks in front of the dish or crashes into it and 2500 homes have no TV friday night!!!). The internet speeds are dreadful. I could get 8mbps/768kbps over Comcast cable for another $10/mo, and 6mbps/708kbps over ATT DSL. HDTV IPTV is the answer. I think the reason they don't want to give good net speed, it that someone else (the VONAGE of TV) could use thier lines to give great HDTV and VOD witout paying for the miles of fiber as much as ATT would want. Also, movies on demand and other content could be delivered, or even better VOIP that ATT wants to make $$$ on could be delivered by someone else. I think that the incumbents should just beocome fiber net providers and just another TV or internet provider, and price accordingly, with phone at $15-$20/mo, and tv at $25-$35/mo for 200 channels, and then have the internet be $60-$100/mo for a 100mbit plus SYMMETRICAL line. | |
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Armour
join:2002-01-08
Scarborough, ON
| don't forget everyone is getting so excited on having FTTH , Unlike copper the tel-cos don't have to give shard access to other companies to their fiber, that why you'll see growing prices along with tighter caps and same Download speeds as DSL , and no choices for your phone carrier once the copper is gone fiber may be a revolution but at what cost ? | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Newtown, PA
| Remember... that when some idiot with a backhoe cuts the fiber trunk, it will take far longer to splice then cable...
Maybe they are offering 3-6Mbs Plus Video and phone.
I bet SBC is onto Enron's legacy of charging for packets like Kilowatts...usage. Wookies!!! | |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
clubs:
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| Re: Remember... Fiber splices 5x faster than copper. What pipe have you been hitting?
The 6Mbps is the "initial offering". That's just to get the crap in the ground and turned up.
The "real deal" (full video, voice, and data) will follow "shortly thereafter" (read: Texas first).
I love all this pissing and moaning about how AT&T sucks for deploying fiber. Six months ago it was (then SBC) sucks for not deploying.
I can see the DSLR slant now-
"AT&T paves street with gold and gives every customer $1,000"
-yes but they only used crummy 14k gold. Also, they gave me my thousand dollars in hundreds, I wanted twenties - rotten bastards!
@ DSLR- if you are an ILEC, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs:
·Optimum Online
| Monopolistic And here is why.
This 3000 unit complex is going to be wired by at&t for fiber i would bet that you there will be no copper anywhere.
SBC has now OWNS this neighborhood. And If you recall it's copper sharing not Fiber sharing. So anyone that wants to do business in that area is going to have to drop a significat amount of money to run copper or if they want fiber.
Oh an Look Dish Network which is owned by SBC will be doing the television service.
Still think SBC is the Good guy?
WAKE UP! | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
1 edit | Re: Monopolistic said by packetscan :And here is why. This 3000 unit complex is going to be wired by at&t for fiber i would bet that you there will be no copper anywhere. SBC has now OWNS this neighborhood. And If you recall it's copper sharing not Fiber sharing. So anyone that wants to do business in that area is going to have to drop a significat amount of money to run copper or if they want fiber. Oh an Look Dish Network which is owned by SBC will be doing the television service. Still think SBC is the Good guy? WAKE UP! Dish Network is not owned by SBC but rather Echostar Communications.
Stock lookup:
»finance.yahoo.com/q?s=dish
Whats stopping Cablevision running their own lines in this neighborhood since there is competition? On the other hand, if the 3000 unit complex signed an exclusive agreement with SBC, you'd be better off complaining to the complex as they were the ones who chose no competition.
Another failed attempt to spread your monopoly drivel. | |
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@sbc.com
| 3-6 is for High Speed, Rest is for TV & VoIP Just a slight departure from the orginal thread.
The SBC (now at&t, notice the lowercase, ooh) offering is to deliver 20+ Mb over fiber. They are not just pushing 3-6, that is just how SBC differentiates the traditional internet services. The rest is "IP services". Meaning you get possibly 2 HD and 2 SD IPTV feeds going into your home at once. HD, if Microsoft compression works will be 8Mb (I think). SBC doesn't want your TV conking out because you are downloading an ISO, so they reserve the higher portion of the bandwidth for TV.
To the original post, I love how companies and our government switch message when it fits their purpose. Muni Fiber is bad in '05, but SBC FTTx is OK in '06. Hilarious. | |
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JonR800
Premium
join:2003-08-06
Farmington, MI | Project Lightspeed Are we still looking at VDSL with RT's for the rest of us? | |
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techjoe
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Schererville, IN | Re: Project Lightspeed What rest of us?  | |
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wilbilt
Pronto Resurrected
Premium
join:2004-01-11
Oroville, CA
| Re: Project Lightspeed said by techjoe :What rest of us? No joke...
My neighborhood will be doomed to dialup for the next 20 years at the rate SBC is "upgrading".
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DustinR
join:2001-12-03
Ottawa, IL | Man Man I used to live in Sugar Grove, and now that I am living in
Aurora they suddenly get fiber. When I used to live there I was waiting for years for dsl or cable and now those lucky bastards get fiber. | |
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Octopussy2
Premium
join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| Re: Man Just hold on there DustinR...your City Council is talking about fiber and WiFi for the City. In fact, there is a City Council meeting of some variety tonight. Your Council is visionary under Mayor Weisner. Talk to the Mayor about what you want. He is a very receptive man.
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Kompressor
Premium
join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| Everything that can be invented has been invented "...a city council and proclaimed that fiber was unproven, troubled technology, and customers didn't need that kind of speed anyway ("What are you going to do with 20Mbps"?)"
This reminds me of the time when in 1899, then Patent Commissioner, Charles H. Duell announced that "Everything that can be invented has been invented.".
Just because this city council member doesn't need 20mbps doesn't mean everyone doesn't need it. Watch your local public access channel and you'll quickly discover how incredibly dumb all city council members are. | |
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Everything that can be invented has been invented A video stream in HDTV quality would be about 18 Mbps (although people aren't always agreeing on what is HDTV quality, some say it can be done in 13.5 Mbps, other say you need 20 Mbps....).
When Bill Gates made his "640 kilobyte ought to be enough for everybody" statement in the early 80ties, he had no idea how computers were going to develop. Now a decent computer comes with more then 640 MEGAbyte of RAM.
You cannot know whether we aren't going to need 20 Mbps. Maybe at THIS particular moment in time 5 Mbps is enough, but I can almost guarantee you that we will see a need for 10, 15 or more Mbps before this decade is out.
And what people also seem to forget is that the Internet is more then what U.S. and big money corporate put on the web. FTTH is very common in Asia (and if you can read Japanese I am told you can find a lot of nice high bandwidth stuff on the web), and ADSL2+ and DOCSIS 2.0 based 10 to 20 Mbps cable have been launched in Europe this year and rapidly spreading.
U.S. broadband is always running behind Europe and Asia. Maybe big broadband companies are shooting themselves in the foot by needing to recover so much development costs, and the Europeans and Asians are just running away with the technology.....but they are defintly behind on the rest of the western world.
Holland has launched ADSL2+ in the ENTIRE country (that is, 98% falls within distance of a CO for regular DSL, about 70% of the Dutch live within ADSL2+ distance of the CO), which encompasses an area comparable to Greater Los Angeles and Greater San Diego combined. 16 Million people live in The Netherlands.
And they aren't the only European country launching new services.
Can someone explain me why "the greatest country in the world" can't at least supply ADSL2+ to a large urban Area like Los Angeles, or New York, or Chicago?
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| Um....it wasn't a City Council member who was professing people didn't need 20Mbps...it was a 5 STATE REGION NETWORK VP for SBC telling the Batavia, IL City Council this hooey. This was the crap this guy was spewing in order to justify why the Tri-Cities in IL. should not vote for a FTTH/FTTB muni broadband network as a choice to services offered by SBC and Comcast. NOT redundant services, mind you. Because to be redundant those companies would've had to have offered comparable services over comparable technology for comparable prices. But that was NOT the case.
Please, watch the video. Mr. Brannock, from SBC was also making these statements about fiber being an "unproven technology" after SBC CEO Ed Whittaker had just announced two weeks earlier (at Supercomm Chicago) that SBC was committed to a project known as Project Lightspeed....(Gee, that has a little to do with fiber, doesn't it?). Now, either Brannock (a 5 State Region VP was totally left out of the loop about Project Lightspeed - uhhhhhh, yeah), or he was deliberately misleading the Batavia City Council on this one. I'll let you smart people be the judge on this one....it IS all on video at www.tricitybroadband.com. Watch it all for yourselves. He claims to have 23 years Network experience....
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join:2005-09-18
Somewhere | Are they HIGH?!! WTF are they shoving up their rear ends? 3-6Mbps OVER FIBER? That better be 6/6Mbps symmetrical otherwise it will be a failure unless its $30 a month or real cheap.
I have been getting 6Mbps+ for years now. | |
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| jchambers106
join:2004-12-10
Kansas City, MO
|  Re: Are they HIGH?!!
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join:2005-12-05
Austin, TX | stop complaining why are all of you trying to get somthing for free.
if you want more bandwidth get an oc3(155mbps)
btw, other than video, what are you going to use more that about 10mps for? | |
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join:2004-12-10
Kansas City, MO | Re: stop complaining were not compiling were just tired of getting fu**ed and screwed over by sbc | |
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SBC (AT&T): "FTTH Will Become Standard"
