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Wilkes Barre wants Wi-Fi, must wiggle around new law
(old news - 11:05AM Monday Dec 19 2005)
tags: wireless · municipal
We've covered at length Verizon's successful attempt at getting community-broadband restricting laws passed in Pennsylvania, though the attention over the fight fueled interest in other cities. Marginally better than the outright bans we've seen in other states, the law states if your town wants to wire itself with broadband, it must first receive permission (right of refusal) from Verizon. Verizon has two months to decide if they want to build a network, and 14 months to get it done. Opponents argue Verizon could drag that time out via legal wiggling, making the law essentially an outright ban, dressed up as reasonable legislation.

As Wi-Fi Networking News explores, Wilkes Barre, which wants to build a 7-square mile Wi-Fi network, is now figuring out how to get around the law. Local paper the Times Leader explores the obstacles the city now faces in offering its residents wireless broadband.

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pnh102
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Wilkes Barre has more serious problems

Wilkes Barre doesn't need to ask Verizon's permission to remove all the drug-addicted bums and beggars from the street. Why don't they do that instead?
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Re: Wilkes Barre has more serious problems

You are darn right Wilkes-Barre has more serious problems.

WiFi should not be on the top of their list of things to address.

I would be surprised if anyone would even use WiFi there. The literacy rate there is abysmal as is poverty and lack of education.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Wilkes Barre doesn't need to ask Verizon's permission to remove all the drug-addicted bums and beggars from the street. Why don't they do that instead?
If they want WiFi, they are just as entitled as a rich community. Have you thought that more ready access to technology and education might actually help them? Or is the only way to deal with beggars and drug users to lock them up (or torture them, you seem to like torture).

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education might actually help them?
Indeed education might help them. They need all the help they can get.

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Indeed education might help them. They need all the help they can get.
See I'd be all for dumping the money they would spend on WiFi into the school system.
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said by vpoko See Profile :

If they want WiFi, they are just as entitled as a rich community. Have you thought that more ready access to technology and education might actually help them?
Philadelphia spent nearly $1 billion on new sports stadiums while they continue to have some of the worst schools in Pennsylvania and a disturbingly increasing crime rate. You would think they would be all for pouring more money into the school system (go drive down Broad Street and see how palatial the school system building is) or hiring more cops. Nah, they just want to waste their money on an unneeded toy network. Other "cash-strapped" cities in Penna. shouldn't be making this mistake.
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Re: Wilkes Barre has more serious problems

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If they want WiFi, they are just as entitled as a rich community. Have you thought that more ready access to technology and education might actually help them?
Philadelphia spent nearly $1 billion on new sports stadiums while they continue to have some of the worst schools in Pennsylvania and a disturbingly increasing crime rate. You would think they would be all for pouring more money into the school system (go drive down Broad Street and see how palatial the school system building is) or hiring more cops. Nah, they just want to waste their money on an unneeded toy network. Other "cash-strapped" cities in Penna. shouldn't be making this mistake.
Philadelphia is not spending taxpayer money - they set up a non-profit and Earthlink is assuming the financial risk.

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Philadelphia is not spending taxpayer money - they set up a non-profit and Earthlink is assuming the financial risk.
Heh... you got a lot to learn about the way things get done in Philadelphia The only risk Earthlink is taking is that all the politicians they bought off don't end up in prison or jump to their deaths from atop the City Hall tower.
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Philadelphia is not spending taxpayer money - they set up a non-profit and Earthlink is assuming the financial risk.
Heh... you got a lot to learn about the way things get done in Philadelphia The only risk Earthlink is taking is that all the politicians they bought off don't end up in prison or jump to their deaths from atop the City Hall tower.
So you're saying that the city is spending taxpayer dollars to build this network? Do you have a reference or is this an intuition?

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Re: Wilkes Barre has more serious problems

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Philadelphia is not spending taxpayer money - they set up a non-profit and Earthlink is assuming the financial risk.
Heh... you got a lot to learn about the way things get done in Philadelphia The only risk Earthlink is taking is that all the politicians they bought off don't end up in prison or jump to their deaths from atop the City Hall tower.
So you're saying that the city is spending taxpayer dollars to build this network? Do you have a reference or is this an intuition?
I thought you were saying that Earthlink was assuming the financial risk on the stadum.
The original post talked about the money spent on the stadium, not any money spent on Wireless Philadelphia.
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Philadelphia is not spending taxpayer money - they set up a non-profit and Earthlink is assuming the financial risk.
Heh... you got a lot to learn about the way things get done in Philadelphia The only risk Earthlink is taking is that all the politicians they bought off don't end up in prison or jump to their deaths from atop the City Hall tower.
So you're saying that the city is spending taxpayer dollars to build this network? Do you have a reference or is this an intuition?
I thought you were saying that Earthlink was assuming the financial risk on the stadum.
The original post talked about the money spent on the stadium, not any money spent on Wireless Philadelphia.
My bad! I know nothing of the stadium.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Heh... you got a lot to learn about the way things get done in Philadelphia The only risk Earthlink is taking is that all the politicians they bought off don't end up in prison or jump to their deaths from atop the City Hall tower.
I don't disagree with you about people getting bought off; however, it's always best to provide proof of such.

For example, people in Chicago talk all the time about the current mayoral adminstration's "indiscretions" and yet the current administration has been in power since 1989. Granted there are current federal investigations going on; however, there's little value in saying there's corruption, but much value in proving it. (if you're from Chicago, spare me the flames - I dislike Daley just as much as the next guy).
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Wilkes Barre doesn't need to ask Verizon's permission to remove all the drug-addicted bums and beggars from the street. Why don't they do that instead?
Getting rid of people sure has a nice ring to it, maybe he should focus funds on opening up more of the homeless shelters which I think he closed since somebody told me there has not been this many homeless on the streets for years. I bet, plenty of those people could want a job and would probably find plenty within public works as well.

Btw, its great to know that the same company that is forcing me and my roommates to fork over $40 a month, where did the $30 a month deal go, is going to supply the wireless. And it is probably going to be in the old section too so I won't be able to receive it from my apartment.

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Are Wilkes Barre officials limited to only one action at a time, or is it possible they could do both (deal with drug-addicted bums and beggers AND build a Wi-Fi network)?

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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Are Wilkes Barre officials limited to only one action at a time, or is it possible they could do both (deal with drug-addicted bums and beggers AND build a Wi-Fi network)?
They could but if you have a limited amount of cash, as most cities do, then it makes more sense to allocate that cash to solve the most critical problems first and then use what is left to deal with other issues.
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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Are Wilkes Barre officials limited to only one action at a time, or is it possible they could do both (deal with drug-addicted bums and beggers AND build a Wi-Fi network)?
They could but if you have a limited amount of cash, as most cities do, then it makes more sense to allocate that cash to solve the most critical problems first and then use what is left to deal with other issues.
Ahh, the article is not clear on whether this would be paid for with tax dollars. If so, I have to agree with you there. if they want to expand internet access to poor communities the best way to do it would be through public libraries. Otherwise there are much more urgent ways to spend that money.

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said by JTRockville See Profile :

Are Wilkes Barre officials limited to only one action at a time, or is it possible they could do both (deal with drug-addicted bums and beggers AND build a Wi-Fi network)?
Depends on whos brother/nephew/uncle stands to benefit.
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Stop with city government and do co-op

communications companies can not complain if the citizens form a co-op and build the wireless network that way. The downside is the investment up front vs. the check the city would be able to write. Though you may save on the legal bills.
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communications companies can not complain if the citizens form a co-op and build the wireless network that way.
Amen to that. The people can even make it a non-profit service as well. Anything that keeps the government out of the picture will be good.
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No taxpayer dollars - not a muni wireless

If no taxpayer dollars are involved, then in my opinion it is NOT a muni wireless system. And as far as I'm concerned let them build it and compete in an open marketplace. If a private company is undertaking the risk - great.
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What the hell?

Isn't WilkesBarre getting fios? why would someone want to compete with all those wide-open free wifi routers and build a for charge wifi network?!?

Somone is really stupid, If you wanna compete, put another FTTP provider in the area, to compete with verizon.. the MORE competition, the better. Just wireless for some PA areas is not the way to go, in Philly it makes more sense because of the population density of its suburbs, urban areas.

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December 19th, @02:21PM

Monopolistic?

This is exactly the type of behavior I'm talking about when i call (certain) companies Monopolies.

This is now extremely evident with Verizon.

So i appear Verizon "OWNS" PA. Other wise shouldn't i be applying to town/city hall?, maybe even the state capital.

But requiring permission from a Publicly Held company?
Ludicrous.!

I'm Disgusted!

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