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| Make the Union Pay for Broadband This illegal strike has screwed way too many honest people who just want to work and make an honest living. Perhaps the $1 million/day fine and the 2x lost pay for each worker could be used to pay for broadband for people who actually want to work and be productive members of society (yes, that means I think the union doesn't want to be productive).
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pnh102
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| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband said by TKJunkMail  :As far as the union workers go, I believe they are being unduly slammed for their action. Maybe and maybe not, but the law is the law. Government workers cannot legally strike in NYS and since they chose to break it, they must literally pay the consequences.
The way I see it, the money I make for every minute I work is taxed like crazy by various levels of government. The very least I could expect from the government for which I dearly pay is that its employees do their cushy jobs.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband They'll go to work if the judge starts fining them. | |
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packetscan
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clubs: | Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband Not Likely the union will just start cutting into the pension plan(s) to get the funds needed.
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| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband said by packetscan :Not Likely the union will just start cutting into the pension plan(s) to get the funds needed. I mean, the article I read stated it was the WORKERS, not the union that would be fined. The same article on Drudge mentioned that the union bosses could actually see jail time; judge saying it's a "definate possibility".
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| said by pnh102 :The very least I could expect from the government for which I dearly pay is that its employees do their cushy jobs. The MTA employees who are represented by the union are not the ones with the cushy jobs. Unless you consider, say, driving a bus in NYC a cushy job, but I sure don't.
What this has to do with broadband, I'm sure I don't know. I've been walking ~7 miles to and from my (admittedly cushy, non-union) job for the last couple of days, but thanks to broadband I should be able to work from home tomorrow. I'm glad I'm one of the 38%. Surprised that number isn't higher.
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Flanders, NJ
| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband Not cushy? I'm sorry but getting paid 65 grand a year to drive a bus, with full paid benefits isn't cushy? Not all of us are fortunate to earn that kind of money you know...alot of types that ride the buses for instance...THE JANITOR gets paid 40 grand a year to clean TRAINS! I'm in disagreement with the union. These workers have no reason to be complaining. | |
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toadlife
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Lemoore, CA | Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband 65 grand a year in NYC is nothing. | |
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| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband Yeah and government workers in NYC as well as alot of people are makeing less than 40,000. Get over it 65,000 is alot even for New York City people just expect all the luxuries that come with jobs that require 5-10 years worth of studying in a college/grad school. I know that to those who dont live anywhere in New York City or close to it would probably percieve that amount differently, but still 65,000 is plenty for sweeping a broom or pushing some buttons. | |
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toadlife
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| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband said by a :
Yeah and government workers in NYC as well as alot of people are makeing less than 40,000. Get over it 65,000 is alot even for New York City people just expect all the luxuries that come with jobs that require 5-10 years worth of studying in a college/grad school. I know that to those who dont live anywhere in New York City or close to it would probably percieve that amount differently, but still 65,000 is plenty for sweeping a broom or pushing some buttons.
I didn't say they were not making enough, but they are making less that Bus drivers in many other urban areas in the U.S., so I don't see what the big deal is about their salaries.
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rit56
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New York, NY | The Law is the Law? tell the President that. He broke it when he ordered spying on American citizens without a court order. It's a felony and he admitted doing it. Impeach him. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband Stick to the topic Rit56. | |
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oliphant
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| said by rit56 :The Law is the Law? tell the President that. He broke it when he ordered spying on American citizens without a court order. It's a felony and he admitted doing it. Impeach him. Uh, Clinton did it too. This is nothing new.
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| Personally I don't think its wrong trying to protect your own ass. We don't have slavery any longer. What you are saying is that they should just smile, be happy, shut the fuck up and quit if they don't want to work. Well, they do want to work but they want better conditions. Unions are good since they help the little man to fight for his rights. I don't agree at all with you but that is my right just as it is their right to be free men and women and not slaves. | |
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oliphant
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| Re: Make the Union Pay for Broadband Versus violate the law with an illegal strike...yeah, they should shut up, be happy to have a job when many don't, or they should quit if they don't think they're making a 'fair wage'.
They should get what they 'deserve' on their OWN merits, not my holding a city of millions hostage to their greed.
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oliphant
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| Up to $25,000 a day... I just read on Drudge that the judge is considering fines for the workers striking illegally that could be up to $25,000 a day per worker, but even at a $100 a day that can add up QUICK. The city means business.
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1 edit | Re: Up to $25,000 a day... Hopefully it is more. The damage they are doing to the economy of NY CITY is unmeasurable. Those idiots need to get a reality check. Most employees contribute to their company health benefits and alot more than just 1%. Retiring at 55, give me a freaking break. Throw the union leaders in jail and withhold the last paychecks of all those on the picket lines. If They still are on stike come this Saturday, MTA should plaster a big now hiring sign on every city paper. Hopefully the MTA doesn't cave in and give in to their outlandish demands. 8% raise a year - yea right. | |
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| Re: Up to $25,000 a day... Big talk from a day trader,
sometimes you need to pay what you owe. 50k is NOT upper middle class anymore, learn it!! | |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Re: Up to $25,000 a day... Wow...how about you be a philanthropist with your OWN money instead of expecting everyone else to pay more.
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rit56
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1 edit | currently the fine is 2 days pay for every one day each worker is on strike. by the way I agree that they should contribute to their health care and their retirement. I work for myself. I have health insurance and a retirement plan of which I pay 100% into. no one else contributes to mine. I think they should get pay raises but I have a problem with them not willing to pay into their own plans. as of now I am funding their health and retirement funds when I buy a Metro card and like my friend here from Brooklyn I use the subways all the time. I also think they should expand their jobs a little and in particular stop being rude and belligerent to riders cause they are having a bad day. it's a service job of which a token clerk is paid well for. the job is dealing with the public. | |
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FiL
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| appalled... literally, appalled at you children who dare post opinion, which in reality is nothing but hate filled redirect. Noone looks at this situation from the worker stand point- not one news organization is covering the opposite; the part about employees not getting paid (minor) to the bigger (no benefits, low wages, higher taxes) and how F*%&%$^ P THEIR CHRISTMAS's HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS!
so, in the end, if getting higher wages and benefits means they shut the transports down, more power to them...
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | Re: appalled... Boo hoo, if they don't like it, they should quit. | |
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| Re: appalled... said by oliphant :Boo hoo, if they don't like it, they should quit. Or the people could just get a car? Boo hoo is a 2 way street you know, no pun intended. | |
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| Re: appalled... A. I don't think there's parking in Manhattan for 3.5 million cars.....somone blame "The Donald" for that....
B. Parking in Manhattan for a month is probably what they pay in four months for public transportation...Remember the kids from 'Welcome Back Kotter'....they rode busses every day....
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C. Do you honestly think this is about anything more than the greed of 33,000 people? | |
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nfixit2004
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| I agree with you on this, thats their future at hand, anyway thats what unions are suppose to be for!
only a SCAB would not agree :0
for the past few days I had to pick up strangers just to get across the Manhattan bridge(so I could get to work in NJ)
I feel for the workers more than anything, have to be tough for a lot of families out there, I have not heard from any of them yet(the workers or their families in the media)
and 38% is low, and hope fully it brings better broadband prices to NYC or hurry up the FIOS process | |
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| said by FiL :literally, appalled at you children who dare post opinion, which in reality is nothing but hate filled redirect. Noone looks at this situation from the worker stand point- not one news organization is covering the opposite; the part about employees not getting paid (minor) to the bigger (no benefits, low wages, higher taxes) and how F*%&%$^ P THEIR CHRISTMAS's HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS! so, in the end, if getting higher wages and benefits means they shut the transports down, more power to them... WHO REALLY OWNS THE CITY!!!!!!!!!!??????????? If you were one of the people who was late to work because of a bus coming 30 minutes late constantly, then you wouldn't be so enthusiastic about the employees getting higher wages.
First they did their job half ast, then they went on strike. IMO, they were getting compensated more than fairly for driving a bus back and forth, especially since half the time they didn't do it right.
If the buses didn't smell like urine, had A/C in the summer(half of them have broken A/C), and came within 10 minutes of the time they were supposed to(hell, even 20, but waiting 40 minutes after a bus is supposed to come is ridiculous), I'd want them to get raises. For now, I don't care if they make nothing.
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| The really aggrivating part about this is they do get paid quite a bit. You guys tend to turn a blind eye to the fact that not everyone is earning 60-70 grand a year...some of us only make about 30 grand a year...even more of us make less then that. These bus drivers make 70,000 a year, have full paid benefits, retirement...for driving. I wish i had THAT job. (and don't start in about them dealing with assholes, etc. There are assholes with any public service job.) Anyway, luckily i don't work in new york...if i did i'd make damn sure i telecommuted for those days. Was thinking about taking the girlfriend there monday, but i think i'll wait until this strike blows over. | |
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| I hope they all get fired. Buses in NYC are not regulated well at all. I wait 40 minutes to get home from school instead of 3, I'm late to school on a regular basis due to buses just not coming at all opposed to coming late, and for the last few days have had to walk 2 miles to work, and 2 miles home in the 24 degree NY winter because of their strike.
I hope they all get replaced with people willing to do their job properly.
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2 edits | here's my take... »www.nydailynews.com/
Read the editorial: "Throw Roger from the train" from the December 21'st issue.
Seems like the MTA bent over backwards to accomidate the union on what "they" want.
I'd LOVE a guaranteed 3% yearly pay raise"The union rejected raises of 3% a year. The MTA bumped yearly hikes to 3%, 4% and 3.5%, which compound to 11% over the life of the contract.."
I'd LOVE more $$$"The union asked for more money. The MTA added a 0.5% bonus."
I'd LOVE more paid holidays"The union proposed Martin Luther King Day as a paid holiday, giving the workers 12 a year. The MTA agreed.
Retirement seems to be the issue here."The union balked at having new workers - and only new workers - contribute 1% of their salaries for health insurance. The MTA dropped the idea even though skyrocketing health costs are fueling a deficit projected at almost $1 billion.
And there was progress even on the most difficult issue: pensions. Transit workers now contribute 2% of salary to pensions and can retire at half pay after 25 years on the job at age 55. The costs are bankrupting the MTA and driving up fares. That's why the agency proposed requiring newly hired workers to stay on the job until age 62 and to kick in 3%.
When the TWU adamantly opposed raising the retirement age, the MTA retreated to 55 and both sides began discussing whether new workers should contribute 3%, 5% or 6%, and for how long. But Toussaint abruptly ended the talks, and the strike was on. So irrational was his action that a third of Toussaint's executive board voted against the walkout, and TWU International President Michael O'Brien is calling on the strikers "to report to work."
Ya know..I'd LOVE to see the Mayor of New York City pull a "Ronald Reagan" and FIRE EVERY employee. PERIOD!!!
Remember back in '81 with the flight controllers union? Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talk'in about.
Unions in the U.S. served their time when workers were treated like shyt.
Currently, they are a deficit..nothing more.
P.S. $1500.00 of EVERY General Motors automobile sold in the U.S. pays a UAW member in benifits.
Have a nice day...and my next new auto WILL be a Honda/Toyota.
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Maggs
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| Re: here's my take... Hey don't you live in CA.
Now Ron Regan of course fired the ATCs but you realize their was replacements waiting in the wings in the military. Now with the MTA, do you really have 40,000 replacements ready and trained to man trains.
The City and MTA would be at fault if someone was killed do to incompetence of the "replacements".
The Federal ATC strike brought world commerce to a halt, so something had to be done.
Unions are a necessary evil, they protect workers from incompetent management.
Unions are a referee for workers, they make sure management plays by the rules. Now, what if CA's governor were to go on TV and raise CA gas prices from say $2 a gallon to $400 a gallon, what would stop them. You need gas to live/ work.
In fact, there are cases where kilns are being shut down and workers laid off because of rising gas prices. Just read US News and World Report.
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| said by stridr69 :P.S. $1500.00 of EVERY General Motors automobile sold in the U.S. pays a UAW member in benifits. Have a nice day...and my next new auto WILL be a Honda/Toyota. I grew up in a family which owns nothing but GM cars. I was the first to buy a Honda. Up till that point, I never thought cars were supposed to be so... reliable  And as for being an American car, it was built in Ohio using 80% US parts content... not even GM does that anymore.
I decided long ago that I'm never buying a union-made piece of junk ever again.
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Maggs
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| 3% paces with inflation The 3% raises they pace with inflation. So if energy costs go up 50% to heat a home, and they get 3% extra per year that ain't much
Say $50 k a year with a 3% raise = $1,500 extra a year.
You pay $2,000 per month for mortgage, $100 for Con Ed, $2000 for Keyspan, $200 for food, $76 for Metrocard
Taxes @ 20% = $40,000 per year
-$24,000 mortgage
Total =$16,000 total
Bills -$ 1,200 for Con Ed
Total =$14,800 total
Bills -$ 2,000 Keyspan Gas
Total =$12,800
Bills -$ 1,400 Telecom Services (Cable, Phone, Net)
Total =$11,400
Bills -$ 912 Monthly Metrocard
Total =$10,488
Bills =$ 2,400 Food
Total =$ 8,088
This is all assuming your a single person living in NYC. Now if you have children you meet the federal limit for poverty.
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| Re: 3% paces with inflation How are you meeting the poverty line if all of your expenses are paid? They make more like 55000-65000 a year and they get to retire at 55. Mortgage? Since when does everyone buy their house or apartment? Ever hear of rent? If you are single you live in a single family apartment. If you are married you have a wife that makes money. That and you have basically paid for everything anyone needs so how is the salary bad? Sorry if that Porshe couldn't make the cut. I don't think you are paying that much money for telecom if you are making that amount of money. You aren't paying for broadband either. I'd say its more like $36 a month for pots and a satellite plan for around $80 a month. It isn't a question of what they need for sustanence especially since many people in New York make less than $40,000 a year, it is a question of greed and lazyiness. | |
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| Re: 3% paces with inflation Now if at age 55, you can't hear, have mesothelioma, and have a life expectancy of 5 more years, how would you feel. I know some MTA motormen, who are almost deaf at the age of 30 from working on the trains.
The tunnels contain massive amounts of asbestos, which has never been removed, and the tunnel lighting is poor 30 W light bulbs.
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redstepchild
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Birmingham, AL | union strike= Terrorist attack what is the difference between the terrorist shutting down the public transportation and the employees. Same outcome. | |
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