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| Another brilliant quote... from a BellSouth mouthpiece. These guys are starting to make Steve Ballmer and George W. look good...
*begin rant*
Here's a hint BellSouth, if you don't like the fact that you are an on-ramp to the information superhighway, then stop selling the service. Google shouldn't pay a dime to get your Networks back up, but if you insist on having them pay then you damn well better give them access to your CO's and RT's in your coverage area so they can roll out their WiFi project even faster.
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| | | | Re: Another brilliant quote... He's upset because he sold his shares of Google at $200 | |
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said by d_man60112:He's upset because he sold his shares of Google at $200 LOL not me I still have my Google shares & I purchased at 200.00 | |
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1 edit | morons i work for AT&T and i think this is retarded. i cannot beleive that they dont understand that google(and every other website) pays whoever their provider is for their bandwidth and the customers that use their services each pay for their own bandwidth.
the only time google will ever have data on any of the telco networks is if one of their customers are going to the site and using it. so all this will end up doing is hurting their own customers by telling them "sorry, you will get a slower connection to google because they chose not to pay us."
i have to beleive that they understand all this and are just trying to play on those who dont know and get more money. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: morons I wouldn't be so quick to cast stones Mr. at&t...it was YOUR NEW CEO, ED WHITICARE that started this mess!
$10 bucks says you don't have the BALLS to send him an email telling him he is moronic.  | |
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1 edit | Without service providers like Google and other content providers... what is left?? Why will people pay money to be connected without having something to connect to???
These guys are so arrogant, they want us to believe they DON'T depend on google's contribution to make the net more desirable. | |
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| | | | | Re: Another brilliant quote... Information superhighway....soon to be littered with toll booths and DMVs saying who can be on and who can't be!
This was inevitable, and if these clowns don't do it, another group will. This is what happens when people see another potential source of revenue. Personally, I would only hope to see this person get confirmed as a Darwin Award recipient! | |
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| | | Re: Susan Powter This guy has got to be completely retarded. OMG... I'm really just speachless... What do you say when someone says something so devoid of logic or reality? | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Susan Powter said by bchoate8:What do you say when someone says something so devoid of logic or reality? Well, if you're a congress-critter who's pockets are lined with RBOC money, you say "you know, that makes perfect sense to me!"
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join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | Re: Susan Powter Let me channel Pat Robertson for a moment...
mmmmmmm...
~Katrina was God punishing BellSouth for allowing people to access pr0n over their DSL connections~.... God doesn't see any need to punish Google, yet, but that DRM thing got his attention~
How was that?
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North Aurora, IL | said by Topmounter:Let me channel Pat Robertson for a moment... mmmmmmm... ~Katrina was God punishing BellSouth for allowing people to access pr0n over their DSL connections~.... God doesn't see any need to punish Google, yet, but that DRM thing got his attention~ How was that? It's only a matter of time for God to get wise to google images.;):p
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1 edit | Let Jeff Battcher, jeff.battcher@bellsouth.com, know how you feel on this issue. | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: Network Neutrality said by bigjoesmith:Let Jeff Battcher, jeff.battcher@bellsouth.com, know how you feel on this issue. Email sent to this moron:
Jeff,
Are you a complete moron?
Trying to charge content providers for “priority access” to the RBOCs pipes is the ultimate in greed and stupidity.
We, the consumers foot the bill in access fees. WE PAY TO GET TO CONTENT RICH SITES that’s why we have BROADBAND….
My god you people are already a government subsidized monopoly, what else do you need blood?
David DiPietro
CONSUMER
P.S. No wonder companies like CavTEL , Vonage et al are starting to bite at your market share….WAKE UP
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Ann Arbor, MI | I just want some of what Jeff Battcher is taking. If he can manage to get the web sites to foot the bill for the Internet was we can all get free broadband, that's one thing, but you can bet your butt that they still want you to pay for your DSL.
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| | | These guys are so far out there they'll probably start throttling bandwith to and from external speed tests.
Wouldn't that be smart? | |
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| | Why just Google? People access millions of other websites over Bellsouth networks. Why aren't they chargeing them? | |
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|  MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium
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League City, TX | Re: Why just Google? OK dsl reports cough up a million you owe me! lol that will be next | |
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1 edit | Re: Why just Google? said by MysticGogeta:OK dsl reports cough up a million you owe me! lol that will be next Don't give them ideas. I'm sure the suites would love to shut down sites like DSLReports that offer users opinions and feedback. Information freely shared by customers about concerns, desires (Faster Speeds for example) and service issues.
Such things make the big suites nervous. What!!!! You dare allow posting of negative reviews by our customers? Will fix you, yes we will. See how you like this. (Makes appropriate adjustments.)
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2 edits | said by bob000001:People access millions of other websites over Bellsouth networks. Why aren't they chargeing them? Because Google is a Big target. Telcos like BellSouth will go after Big Targets like Google First. If they can throw enough poop and make it stick and then get us to swallow this bunk the other sites will quickly follow. Just think a HSI bill full of toll charges. Yippee! Cantcha hear your wallet screaming?
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| | | | Re: Why just Google? Google is the most requested web site in the world, so it only makes sense to target the biggest guys on the block. | |
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Eh? | Re: Why just Google? And for it's number one spot, google is also calling mainly text. Very little bandwidth from google to me is used so... yea.
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| Why must American companies and American government fuck with other American companies that are making true on the American dream. With this logic Wal-Mart should be paying for the war in Iraq.
You know what, i really think they should.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Why just Google? It's not just companies. Any person or company that is successful will always face the wrath of the have nots. The have nots wrath is to litigate and slander any form of success. | |
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hiatus | Re: Why just Google? said by rradina:It's not just companies. Any person or company that is successful will always face the wrath of the have nots. The have nots wrath is to litigate and slander any form of success. And the haves tend to use their resources to prevent the have-nots new-entry into the ranks of the haves... Its why big business has been known to gobble up smaller businesses. or pull the kind of stuff that Bellsouth and SBT/ATT are pulling with this charging Google mumbo jumbo.
Seriously, from FCC Chairman Kennard back in 2000:
said by »www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Kennard/200···019.html : You see, all too often companies work to change the regulations, instead of working to change the market. I call this behavior "regulatory capitalism." Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists and politicians, instead of plant, people and customer service. It's always easier to prowl the halls of Congress than compete in the rough and tumble of the marketplace. Regulatory capitalists would rather litigate than innovate
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Why just Google? Couldn't agree more with the FCC chairman's statement. I also think it's hogwash the bells are trying to charge Google but my opinion doesn't change the fact that regardless of honest or crooked, success is always challenged by the have nots -- and sometimes the have nots are big businesses trying to protect themselves.
That said, right or wrong it is the responsibility of any publicly held company to protect the assets of shareholders -- even if such protections are at odds with the good of the public or environment. | |
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| said by M A R S:Why must American companies and American government fuck with other American companies that are making true on the American dream. With this logic Wal-Mart should be paying for the war in Iraq. You know what, i really think they should. They might run it better then the Feds can but those blue jackets won't stop bullets and shrapnel. No worries though they will outsource the fighting to China. | |
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1 edit | Re: Why just Google? LOL
But i dont know useing children in war might be bad and plus they might pay the male children more that might cause a uproar  | |
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Smyrna, GA | Bellsouth. Listening, Answering.... Hey Bellsouth. You're stupid... | |
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| | How about telemarketers and sales via phone? Why stop with Google? Banks, stock brokers and telemarketers make billions every year from sales and transactions made over the phone. Why shouldn't all those freeloaders have to pay if those sales are made over the Bells phone lines?:D | |
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kudos:12 | Wow I just don't get it.
What in the hell are they so scared of? The gaping wound that has become their POTS business and they are scrambling to replace that cash cow? | |
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Canada | ISPs... ISPs never seem to cease amazing me | |
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| | | Re: ISPs... ISPs? Bell is no ISP, please do not lump the thousands of legitimate, open access supporting ISPs in with the phone and cable monopolies. They are NOT ISPs! | |
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| | | | Re: ISPs... They are ISP's, the only difference between the Bells and earthlink is that the bells own every part of there network where most little isp have to lease the right to use Bells or Cable companies transmission lines. | |
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| i seen everything.... Its getting to the point where the internet access could be free. Why? Plain and simple sure charge google or whoever for the line, and where the ones stuck with the F****** ads and pop ups. Here is all the BW problems advertisement.
I dont know, but its starting to look like the bells are getting hard up for money. I dont see, i havnt heard the cable companies bitching and moaning.( that i have read)
Bellsouth, i think your going to be AT%T again :P Go ahead and sell yourself to them and save us the grief on here. | |
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This is just a tried and true phone company tactic: if you can't compete, just try to slow everybody else down so you don't look bad.
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Evanston, IL | Aren't your customers paying for the pipe? I was under the impression that bellsouth charges it's customer a month fee to lease a pipe to access anything. Has something changed? | |
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What they either fail to realize or (more likely) know but are trying to ignore, is that Google has already paid for their end of the pipe (via some provider whose name I don't know, but I would bet it's not BellSouth). If BellSouth has a beef with the traffic Google is generating, they could possibly take it up with Google's provider, but Google itself should be kept out of it.
Of course, Google's provider isn't the one currently sitting at over $450 a share.
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| | They have it backwards... BellSouth should pay Google for loss of pay-by-click advertisement revenue due to their lines not surviving the hurricane! After all, it is BellSouth's fault that their lines weren't tough enough to survive, which leads to revenue loss for Google.. right?
Yeah.. this idea is about as stupid as the Bell's.
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| | Bellsouth has gone off the deep end! It has finally gotten to the point were they can't extort any more money out of the customer so they are going for the other end of the line. This is the most retarded thing i have heard in a long time. Is Google sending information over Bellsouth lines directly?! No...they are not....Bellsouth customers and REQUESTING information from Google. Google uploads through there pipe....goes into the information superhighway....bellsouth customer downloads through bellsouth pipe. What, are we supposed to disrupt to time space continuem for Bellsouth to make the internet work how they want to?!?! /rant | |
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Cross Plains, WI | Re: Bellsouth has gone off the deep end! No technology patients are the dumbest thing, like how Amazon wanted to patient "online ads". But BellSouth's antics are way up there. | |
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| What? What on earth is BellSouth doing? First off, they are spending millions on denying Layfette their own local fiber ring. Now they want to charge Google for Katrina? It's called insurance you idiots!!! If not from an insurance company, at least plan for problems like this. Hell, cancel some of the negative advertising your displaying in Layfette and us it towards infrastructure repair. | |
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| | | Re: What? Wow, BellSouth went from outrageous to down right infuriating. Saying Google should pay for restoring DSL service after Katrina just disgusts me. They're just trying to use their own financial loss in the face of a horrible tragedy into a way to exhort money from companies who have nothing to do with the matter. I guess shame isn't in their vocabulary.
Hmmm, maybe Time Warner should start charging MTV to repair my cable when there is an outage? Maybe the Bells should realize they're a utility provider and google is not. | |
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Boston, MA | It works both ways Without sites like google, the networks wouldn't have content to attract subscribers. Google should be charging them! | |
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| | BellSouth's douple-dip BellSouth's position is the equivalent of them wanting to not only charge you for your phone line, but also take money from your mother because you use your BellSouth phoneline to call her too often. | |
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Louisville, KY | Re: Wow! America. "You're making more money than I am... how dare you, I need to get some of that scratch..." | |
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kudos:1 | This makes no sense... Jeff Battcher must have his head up his arse. Doesn't Google already pay some teclo for their connection to the internet? | |
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| | | Re: This makes no sense... said by rudnicke:Jeff Battcher must have his head up his arse. Doesn't Google already pay some teclo for their connection to the internet? He had parents, right? Guess that makes him a son of a Battcher...  | |
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1 edit | The sad thing... The sad thing about all of this is that the average broadband/computer/technology user is completely clueless as to what is going on. During the Sony DRM fiasco I would explain to my friends and family what Sony had done, why it was wrong, etc. The problem is, to them, it means nothing; in no way has their daily life been affected by what Sony did, so they really don't care.
The same thing is going to happen with the average broadband user. They won't understand the principles behind this debate... and most likely will see little, if any, impact to their daily life and subsequently won't care. In the end, this is why BellSouth can get away with such ridiculous statements.
Personally... I would like to see all-out knockdown fest between companies; those who want to charge (Bellsouth, Verizon, etc) and those who would be charged (Microsoft, Google, etc). IMHO, Google, Microsoft, etc have the upperhand. People are going to continue to visit the websites they have always have. If the manner in which they access those sites changes (i.e. much slower)... the customer is going to call their provider... not the website. Thus, it is BellSouth, Verizon, etc that will have to deal directly with angry customers and the customer won't give a damn about who's fault it is.
If I were in charge of Google... I would start 'rolling blackouts' of service to sections of the IP addresses of BellSouth, Verizon, etc. For an hour here... and hour there, parts of BellSouth's customer base would not be able to access Google services.
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| Re: The sad thing... said by phantom6294:If I were in charge of Google... I would start 'rolling blackouts' of service to sections of the IP addresses of BellSouth, Verizon, etc. For an hour here... and hour there, parts of BellSouth's customer base would not be able to access Google services. As a matter of fact, there is no law that prohibits Google from blocking certain IP ranges altogether. Just start blocking Bellsouth for a month, en notify the local cable companies ahead of time to start an advertising campaign with "we CAN access Google".
Google may lose a few advertisements here and there, but in the end I do not believe that ANY website on the internet believes Bellsouth's philosophy. They are shooting themselves in the foot with such remarks.
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Cross Plains, WI | Re: The sad thing... If anything, Google should be charging BellSouth for hits to it's domain via their data lines. | |
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Morristown, NJ | Here is an idea to paraphrase what I said earlier...
1) Start a site on Bell South's Network
2) Provide popular high quality copyrighted mp3s
3) Abide by BellSouth's wishes and PAY them for the privilege
4) Call RIAA and inform them of what I am doing and why -possibly ask for a deal or I'll shut down now and settle with them for a pittance since I'm already broke (keep reading as to why I might get it)
5) Wait enough time for RIAA to gather enough evidence to sue me
6) Under court order shut down
7) Sit back and watch RIAA sue the crap out of BellSouth for not only facilitating my site but profiting from it (where all I did was offer it for free).
8) Collect my "finder's fee" from RIAA
9) Watch all the other pipe providers' lawyers realize how much better it is just to provide the pipe and not try to wade into the content area
10) Dutifully buy any song I want on an overpriced CD (or format du jour) that contains 16 other tracks even my cats cringe at - and re-buy them when new formats are introduced (the finder's fee should cover that more than easily)
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White Bluff, TN | HAHAHA LOL! Bellsouth and Verizon are starting to see Google in the corner of their eye. | |
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Bossier City, LA | Re: Bass Ackwarded No,heres what needs to happen.
Google needs to smack BellSouth up side the face.
Google should tell BellSouth to STFU or w'ell deney access
to Google from BellSotth customers.
I'm so tired of BellSouth whinning and bitching about everything.
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join:2003-09-19
Cornelius, NC | Re: Bass Ackwarded Some people live in neighborhoods that have mailbox clusters every ten houses or so. I think when I mail a letter to one of those houses I should get a cheaper stamp. Or should people who mail letters to me have to pay more? | |
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