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join:2003-07-31
Benton, AR | Wasted efforts by an ISP... It's a terrible waste of blockage when you got 65k ports to manage. | |
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kywirelessgu
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join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs:
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| Re: Wasted efforts by an ISP... They are blocking certain packets not ports.
I think.
I'm sure someone that knows what he/she is talking about will respond shortly.
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs:
·Optimum Online
1 edit | Re: Wasted efforts by an ISP... I vote Ports.
If you can change the port and speed increases this is likely the cause.
However i don't know what traffic shaping devices they have. It could be packet inspection but that would/should not allow you to change the port and gain performance improvements. | |
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join:2004-12-27
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| Re: Wasted efforts by an ISP... Its all the same logical progression. When people find out the orts they are filtering they will go out and buy one of those deep packet inspection boxes that checks sessions for the obvious BITTORRENT protocol header in plain text and only throttle those sessions. They are trying to do it for cheap right now. We all need to impliment on the fly ipsec to stop these stupid ISPs from filtering our traffic based on content and restore true end to end connectivity without middle man interference. | |
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| spikey2087
join:2006-01-19
Oshawa, ON | I'm also a vote for ports. Works fine once the port is changed. Massive speed increase. from 1k to 100k and up | |
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Ream0
@comcast.net | Quiet! Don't give Comcast any new ideas! | |
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snipper_cr
join:2002-01-22
Wheaton, IL
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| Tristan9669
join:2004-08-07
Beverly Hills, CA | i would f-ing die if comcast start to do this crap  | |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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 ·Dreamhost
| no ISP should block any service! why the hell does it matter what people use their internet connections for?
I don't see ISP's blocking FTP, I can always go at the upload speed I'm suppose to get, yet more and more ISP's want to mention how awesome there speeds are, while blocking or throttleing many of the reasons folks want to take advantage of said speeds. I see no difference between seeding a torrent or offering an FTP server that gets alot of use. Fortunately my ISP doesn't throttle any services, which is the way it should be, but if they ever did, I would show them that they won't stop me from using my upstream connection. I'll gladly if it came down to it set up an anonymous FTP server and say Ha take that! We pay for an internet connection, so let each user use it as they wish! Internet connections are not just one way receive only lines anymore! So we want to seed the latest episode of Systm or other torrent, big deal I say, if I'm paying for a given speed, that shouldn't be for only web and FTP, it should be that speed for whatever services we the customer wish to use now or in the future! | |
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| Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON
 ·Internet Telephone..
| Re: no ISP should block any service! what's worse is rogers has a 100gb cap. i don't know why they borthered setting it up. they don't enforce it (thankfully) but if they ever intended to they wouldn't have put packet shaping hardware in. you get 100gb, you should be able to use it any way you want, at whatever speed level you pay for.
rogers is like any large corporation though. it takes them a long time to get on the bandwagon and it takes them an even longer time to realize when to get off. | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Encryption is the ONLY way As I've so often stated, you can't trust the megacorps, you can't trust the government. The end all solution is end to end encryption. They CANNOT filter that, or throttle that, since they can't see whats going through the traffic. As long as ALL traffic is encrypted at the end points, they won't have any options. Even web traffic should be encrypted and tunneled, to prevent dumbass moves like rogers. | |
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| grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Re: Encryption is the ONLY way Untill they lobby the government and get anti encryption laws passed...:p Seriously though tone it down a little. You sound like one of those crazy dudes on the train "YOU CAN"T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT! IT'S ALL A BIG CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!! OH NOES I BETTER PULL OUT T3H T!/\/F!07 hat. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Re: Encryption is the ONLY way Everything that makes this crowd PAY for what they use is a conspiracy. I bet if you offered their kind a FREE movie a day they would all say, "Is that all? It's a conspiracy! I pay for UNLIMITED bandwidth."
Other examples:
When Murdoch bought DirecTV and cracked down on the illegal card schemes THEY RUINED MY LIFE!!!
iTunes raised their prices! RIAA sucks!
I can no longer steal Blockbuster movies. Conspiracy!
Verizon cancelled my account after I downloaded 30 gigs of illegal music! Verizon sucks!
I use Vonage and e911 doesn't work! The Bells are all behind it! It's a conspiracy! | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
1 edit | Re: Encryption is the ONLY way They aren't always in the wrong I mean there is alot of lobbying going on, but it's not all a conspiracy. I mean in respect to the iTunes thing the RIAA does suck. I think its a serious exageration what you posted. It should read
iTunes raised their prices! Government sucks!
I can no longer steal Blockbuster movies. Government Conspiracy!
Verizon cancelled my account after I downloaded 30 gigs of illegal music! Government sucks!
I use Vonage and e911 doesn't work! The Bells are all behind it! It's a Government Conspiracy!
Goverment is trying to give me free or cheap broadband. Government sucks! | |
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| said by grandpinaple  :Untill they lobby the government and get anti encryption laws passed...:p Seriously though tone it down a little. You sound like one of those crazy dudes on the train "YOU CAN"T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT! IT'S ALL A BIG CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!! OH NOES I BETTER PULL OUT T3H T!/\/F!07 hat. I agree...
People need to learn that:
1) If you want a true DS1, DS3, OC3+, you need to pay for it.
2) Cable and DSL are CONSUMER GRADE services. This means that the capacity of the network is designed around a percentage of users to be online at one time. It IS NOT designed to support 100% of the users at 100% capacity.
3) If the networks, as stated in #2, were designed in such a way, you would be paying a hell of a lot more than $29/39/49/etc month.
Come on people, use your brains. Your use is being limited because you are using more than what is allowed in the model. You want more, buy a T1.
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join:2001-11-27
Cockeysville, MD | Re: Encryption is the ONLY way 4) You mean 'more' as in Asian ISP's offering 50/10mps for $29 | |
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: Encryption is the ONLY way said by ReneMH :4) You mean 'more' as in Asian ISP's offering 50/10mps for $29 Apples to oranges...Asian ISPs are funded, in part or in whole, by the government and many installations are done in very densely populated areas.
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: Encryption is the ONLY way How do you agree with my post I was talking about something completely different. I think ISP's need to quit the unlimited BS and have higher QOS standards, it isn't as difficult as you say. | |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| BT for me.. If I was a rogers client, I'd be on the phone every 20 mins complaining about the shi*ty service..
Has anyone affected by this actually compalined (formally) to them?
You purchase a connection the internet, if they're blocking some services and/or usages, then you SHOULD also be entitled to a lowered bill.
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MATA7
join:2005-05-29
Mississauga, ON | Re: BT for me.. that 1720 port trick never work for me, im in mississauga
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join:2006-01-19
Oshawa, ON | Re: BT for me.. try 1755 | |
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MrBeef
Premium
join:2003-01-12
Granger, IN
·AT&T Yahoo
| What would you say to them on the phone?
"Hello, I'm unable to illegally download copyrighted material via BT using your service"
I know there are legitimate uses for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of BT traffic is illegal. No wonder they're blocking it. | |
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| | BVT
join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN | Re: BT for me.. You remind them that downloading porn is not against the law.
They are hindering your freedom of speech by disallowing access to full dvdrips of porno via BT. | |
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MrBeef
Premium
join:2003-01-12
Granger, IN | Re: BT for me.. But those DVD rips are probably copyrighted... | |
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join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN | Re: BT for me.. 99.99999% of porn is not copyrighted. It costs too much money for little to no benefit. | |
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join:2002-12-05
San Diego, CA
clubs: | Re: BT for me.. WRONG. Do you know anything about how a copyright works? Go learn about it before you post. | |
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join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN | Re: BT for me.. you are just a jackass. If you cannot post anything that adds to the conversation, why bother?
Flame on!!! | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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| said by BVT :99.99999% of porn is not copyrighted. It costs too much money for little to no benefit. It doesn't cost any money to copyright something. Actually, any work you create is automatically copyrighted. That means nearly all porn is copyrighted.
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join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN
| Re: BT for me.. I can understand what you are saying. You are going on the automatic copyright on something that is produced as long as it is an original work. As far as cost is concerned, I was talking about "registered" copyrights.
I believe that since 99% of porn is the same, that it has no copyright. That 1 gonzo film does not differ from another, in my opinion.
The main question is: Does porno pass the originality test?
I say that it does not. If it did, anyone that owns a copyright could minimally change the product to maintain the copyright forever. I think that is why all movie remakes and covers done by bands are significantly different than the original work. | |
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join:2006-01-19
Oshawa, ON
| Re: BT for me.. not sure how the topic got about porn, but as for the bitt torrent
try changing your ports, seems Rogers throttled the port, not the packet, meaning that a new port means new speeds.
I work for the enemy unfort. The enemy being Sympatico. So I know a bit about throttling and how it is done.
I only use Rogers because I know of the problems with Sympatico
Either way, throttling is ports, change your port, fix your problem. Worked for me at least. | |
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superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | They are trying to restrict your freedom which is why most of ya won't like that. It's your rights infringement? | |
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primal98
join:2004-08-27
| Definitely Port Blocking I was trying to get a file for a while, and to no avail... 2kbs max... 15kbs for 20 min IF I was lucky.... today I tinkered with ports 1755... magically I get 200+kbs... thinking its a fluke I tinker to 162... down again to 2kbs... back to 1755 again speeds.. the file is well seeded, with low user usage(not too popualr... like 35 seeds.... 3 peers lol)... so :P
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join:2006-01-24
Canada | Re: Definitely Port Blocking Ports 1755 and 1720 don't seem to fix my problem. I live in Kitchener; is this my problem? I've also tried using that encryption protocol thing via BitComet, and I still get nothing.
Can somebody help me out here? | |
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@cable.rogers | My 1720 used to work wonders so switched to 1755. Not working that good either like in the past but a bit better than 1720. I'm in Toronto using the Ted Rogers network! I'll update once I sort it out....I need my torrents! | |
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scottygmiss
@cable.rogers | Change your Client i switched to utorrent latest beta version on a recommendation in a Mirc chat room. enable encryption, works great, normal speeds
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Otherwise we all switch to Bell | |
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Jay420
@cable.rogers
| Doesn't work for me! I tried both ports, 1720 and 1755 and no change in download speeds. I called rogers to complain and the tech guy said to me it must be my settings in my firewall cause everything looks good on his end and this is the first of he has heard of this bandwidth blocking. I sure hope rogers decides to pull off the cap cause if not I'm going back to bell and I'm sure others have already and more will if they don't. | |
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Pissed off Rogers Us
@cable.rogers
| God Awful! God awful Rogers! I'm so ready to switch to Bell. I've read in other forums that whenever somebody called in to complain they claim that it's the user's configuration, and that they never heard of the problem. Every single person that posted their convo with Rogers were almost alike! All of them denying that it's b/c they're blocking off ports or packets.
Honestly tho, I do believe they are blocking off ports. I was using the Burst Client on port 6881-6889. Standard BT ports, worked awesome until December hit. All download died. My router would struggle with UPnP to find a decent port to draw a connect but ended up crashing the router and ultimately having to reboot it every half hour or so.
In early January, I switched to uTorrent using port 1720-1729, and it worked wonders! Dramatic increase of speeds! Now a couple of days ago I noticed that downloads are back down to 3-5 kb/s, and I thought to myself again, that God damn awful Rogers! I've tried randomizing ports, but it doesn't seem to be able to connect as well as 1720 used to. I even tried port 1755, which many said worked for them. But right now nothing seems to be working. I don't know, maybe it is time to switch over to Bell. God damn awful Rogers. Rot in HELL MF-er! | |
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@cable.rogers
| Re: God Awful! When my friend first suggested 1720 it was AMAZING...the speed just jumped to 200kb/s+ the next day it was back down to 2-5kb/s ARGH!~
I am SOOO changing this fukin service provider of Rogers...This stupid cap is killing me and i'm sure many will follow and change services. They better remove this cap SOON or they going to lose MANY customers. | |
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join:2005-11-01
Toronto, ON
| Re: God Awful! If your a rogers valued customer (have 3 or more services with rogers) they dont really care about the bandwidth cap.. ive gone over to like 150gb each month ive yet to get anything from rogers. and on Bell you dont go very fast btw especially if you live in the downtown area, better off their rogers personally | |
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Pissed off Rogers Us
@cable.rogers
| Re: God Awful! Yeah I'm a rogers valued customer too. And I don't doubt that they may not be capping ur service, or haven't gotten around to it. But I can't even hit the 60GB mark cause they're restricting packets or ports. I can't download a file with out my router crashing b/c of the low speed. I switched my ports to 30000 and when I did, I was downloading at around 500kb/s again. However, the port was useless the next day. So it really doesn't matter if you're a valued customer, I can't even get to 10GB a month if I can't even download anything.
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join:2005-11-01
Toronto, ON | Re: God Awful! mind you the higher your upload pipe is the faster your downloads go. Try not being sucha leech Ali lol | |
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styrofoam2
join:2005-11-01
Toronto, ON
| Try this higher end ports i just recently heard about the whole port 1720 thing but when i tried it it just sucked ass lol but anyways ive been getting a steady 100-200kb which is more than enough i think for any torrent :P i use to have problems when i port forwarded the lower end ports so i started using 30 000 and higher. I dont think rogers has done anything about the higher end ports grant you you wont go as fast as 1720 did but its a big jump up from the 20kb on port 1720 lol | |
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Pissed off Rogers Us
@cable.rogers
| Re: Try this higher end ports Hey thanks for letting me know. I've been trying different ports. Some ports unused, and some others used for VOIP, but none of them were getting anywhere good. I tried 30000 and it's going at an alright d/l speed of 100kb/s connected to 31 seeds and 19 leechers. It took it a while to get going tho, I guess it's kindda expected with torrents. But atleast I'm able to start downloading again. Thanks for the suggestion.
Sincerly,
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Pissed off Rogers Us
@cable.rogers
| Re: Try this higher end ports Freaking hell... port 30000 only worked for me for one night! The next day when I tried to download again, the speeds would only spike up to 30 kb/s every few minuets or so. And then my router would crash. This is ridiculous. Any more suggestions guys?
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paul_to
join:2006-03-02
Toronto, ON
| Some thoughts on what is going on Hi all, I'm a rogers customer from the downtown area of Toronto. I have been experimenting to find the perfect solution to the reduced speeds lately and this is what I have been able to come up with.
1) Use port 1720
2) If you are not getting high speeds but see a high number of peers and seeds switch to encrypted transfers (I use the latest version of Azerous) and wait up to 30 minutes for speeds to pickup.
My version of Azerous has a few settings for Encryption that are of note, the most important to us is the setting to not connect to non-encrypted peers. Encryption has to occur on both ends. If they are not allowing non encrypted peers then they will not allow you to connect if you are not encrypted. On the other end of the stick, if you encrypt then you will not connect to non encrypted peers (unless you check the box to allow).
That's all good, just check the box to connect to non-encrypted, No. Whats the point of encrypting then. So the really solution is for a major push in encryption for all BT clients.
And last but not least, if you don't have it get Peer Guardian 2. The major Corps are now using fake versions and connecting to our torrents to give us bad data. Peer guardian has millions of IP's that are part of this scheme indexed and will block them from accessing your PC, effectively telling them you are no longer seeding or d/ling the torrent.
Until we get more people with Encryption and a Peer shield like Peer guardian we will all be running slower and slower until it would be quicker to get a part time job to save money and buy the movies\games\tv shows..
I'm not trying to preach to the masses and I could be wrong with my approach but I can not test as a single node on the rogers network.
If we have any volunteers we could have a fuck rogers day and as a group test different combinations until the right one is found.
And for those looking to just share with their friends, build a web or ftp site and use dynip (google it, the service is free) to get a url to your computer (ie: »mycpu.dynip.com) No caps on that for me. | |
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@cable.rogers
| Re: Some thoughts on what is going on Hey thanks for the suggestion. Azurus is working great. I've been downloading for about 3 days straight and have reached about 20GBs of files already. Downloads are quite quick, especially if there are a high number of seeds and peers. It's really awesome to start to download again. Now I can enjoy all my shows that I usually miss. =) I'm running on the latest version of Azureus (2.4) and am running on port 30000. Great download speeds. averaging around 150 kb/s to 400 kb/s, all depending on how many people have the encryption turned on. Thanks again.
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Switched to uTorrent
@cable.rogers | Encryption... Seems to work, I was getting 0-4k on four different torrents, now i'm getting 40-100k on a few of the more seeded torrents. yay, let's hope it stays this way! Die rgers die! : p
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Getting Around the Rogers Bit Torrent Blockade
