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Gamers boycotting irritating & stealthy DRM....
(old news - 12:10PM Tuesday Jan 31 2006)
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Long before Sony's rootkit DRM there was Starforce, a stealth driver installing copy-protection scheme we discussed at length after our users began to complain about it. Since then, some users have decided to Boycott any games that use the controversial protection scheme. While writing about the boycott yesterday, Boing Boing called the software "Anti-copying malware."

That apparently didn't sit well with the software's makers, who wrote Boing Boing to inform them they planned to sue the blog for harassment, and had filed a complaint with the FBI. A Dennis Zhidkov, PR-manager for the company, writes the following:

"Dear Sir, calling StarForce "Anti-copying malware" is a good enough cause to press charges and that is what our corporate lawyer is busy doing right now. I urge you to remove your post because it is full of insults, lies, false accusations and rumors. Your article violates approximately 11 international laws. Our USlawyer will contact you shortly. I have also contacted the FBI , because what you are doing is harassment."

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belawrence
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Uh-oh

better not insult anyone or speak my mind, or I might get sued!?!?!?
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garagerock
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Re: Uh-oh

Part of the new facism our culture wholeheartedly endorses. Don't think, don't speak-or get sued. Corporations who indulge in this kind of media-come-uppance-to-boost-PR-and-therefore-stock-price behavior should make better products, not rely on lawsuits.

First amendment, anyone?

tapeloop
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Re: Uh-oh

said by garagerock See Profile :

Part of the new facism our culture wholeheartedly endorses. Don't think, don't speak-or get sued.
And yet, when a citizen tries to sue a doctor for malpractice or a company for egregious personal injury, it's considered "frivolous."

Funny that...
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tbeckner

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Re: Uh-oh

said by tapeloop See Profile :

said by garagerock See Profile :

Part of the new facism our culture wholeheartedly endorses. Don't think, don't speak-or get sued.
And yet, when a citizen tries to sue a doctor for malpractice or a company for egregious personal injury, it's considered "frivolous."

Funny that...

It is as simple as, the Rich and sue the Poor, but the Poor cannot sue the Rich.
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Combat Chuck
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Re: Uh-oh

said by tbeckner See Profile :


It is as simple as, the Rich and sue the Poor, but the Poor cannot sue the Rich.
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Umm, has someone not been paying attention..poor people sue the rich and win all the time. The problem isn't that the poor can't sue the rich; the problem is anyone can sue anyone else for anything and effectively there are an infinite number of scumbag lawyers willing to take the case no matter how ridiculous or immoral. Just look at all the stupid warnings on everything you buy, each one of those a result of a lawsuit.
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calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
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Re: Uh-oh

Actually, the problem here is that StarForce is headquartered in Moscow and they don't understand "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" as it is practiced outside Russia....

calvoiper
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SuperJoker

join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA

Re: Uh-oh

Well no matter what, I won't buy or even use a demo that has that software and Microsoft ought to make a patch that breaks It.:D

stickfigure

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said by tapeloop See Profile :

And yet, when a citizen tries to sue a doctor for malpractice or a company for egregious personal injury, it's considered "frivolous."

Funny that...
Actually what's funny is that we have less and less people interested in getting into medicine specifically because of the jackasses out there that use the system to get rich. Hospitals are closing because they can't afford to stay open. So many people feel health care is an entitlement or their God given right. This is totally off topic but I am getting so tired of people thinking it's ok to sue a Dr.

garagerock
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Re: Uh-oh

well, there are extremes of course, but if a doctor botches something badly and causes harm, shouldn't they be held accountable in some way?

Combat Chuck
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Re: Uh-oh

let me just put it this way:
Beyond paying for the medical expenses and possibly lost wages; unless it was malicious or a recurring issue with a particular doctor, what exactly is suing the doctor for bazillions of dollars going to help. Basically your just saying you ruined my life so I'm going to ruin yours.

The sad fact is every doctor is going to make mistakes in their lives and quite a few of those mistakes are going to end up ruining someones life. If everyone sues every doctor for millions in pain and suffering for every mistake they make how many doctors do you think will be left?
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stickfigure

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Re: Uh-oh

Actually tapeloop, since I know quite a few Physician's (including my wife), I know that generally most of them put their hearts into their work. You have to, since Med-School isn't exactly the easiest thing to get into or graduate from. And I am talking hospitals, not individual docs.

Your statement "I will say this: you'd probably think differently if it was your Mom or Dad who was killed or seriously injured as the preventable result of some quack." Is what I really take issue with. The problem is that when someone loses someone else who they're close to they make look to blame someone else. So instead of thinking "hey, it sucks my mom/dad died.." and that's it, they take it to "it's the Dr's fault, they should have done X."

Now I don't think that EVERY Dr should automatically get to do whatever the hell they want, or get away with anything. BUT I do feel that is one profession where people need to not be so quick to judge the Dr. Dr's seem to get less and less respect these days.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm really getting sick of seeing these big corporations threaten legal action just cause they don't like what's going on (ie RIAA and downloading music). It would be nice to see more people take up fighting this crap and then counter-sue the company. Maybe they'll learn to stop...

tapeloop
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said by stickfigure See Profile :

Actually what's funny is that we have less and less people interested in getting into medicine specifically because of the jackasses out there that use the system to get rich. Hospitals are closing because they can't afford to stay open. So many people feel health care is an entitlement or their God given right. This is totally off topic but I am getting so tired of people thinking it's ok to sue a Dr.
Yeah, we are getting OT. Hospitals close for a whole host of reasons outside of lawsuits though. You're thinking of invidual docs not being able to practice because of malprac insurance.

I will say this: you'd probably think differently if it was your Mom or Dad who was killed or seriously injured as the preventable result of some quack. Not saying that it happens the majority of the time or even a large minority, but it does happen. At the same time though you have people who don't want to allow any doctor to be sued and people who will sue because they got Percoset instead of Oxycontin. There's got to be a middle ground.

Back on topic: me being an individual and not a large corporate entity, I guess I'm a little biased toward the underdog.
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NyQuil Kid
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You can blame the explosion of lawyers for that - most of them today only care about how to work _around_ the law, not in working _for_ the law.

[8F] The NyQuil Kid

Red Dragon
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By definition the software called Starware is viral. We define malware by a guide line not just randomly calling programs bad. It goes like this:
A) installs with out user consent or is not in EULA.
B) Does not allow for easy removal or tries to hide or protect its self from removal.
C) limits or degrades computer functionality by disabling certain abilities that were enabled before installation.

I am sure we can come up with others and refine this even more but the fact still remains that it hides itself with a root kit and will self recover if not completely exterminated. Heck it does not even show up in add remove programs.

For them to go so far as to sue in ridiculous. Perhaps this whole thing "annoys" them and they want to sue. Well hey installing backdoor software with a root kit that self restores its self if not completely removed is enough to "annoy" me and be defined as malware. What is worse it that it still is there after you uninstall the game. Until they start naming laws broken or violations made or they hand out a cease and desist letter it is just a bluff and has no legal recourse until they start naming laws broken.
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said by belawrence See Profile :

better not insult anyone or speak my mind, or I might get sued!?!?!?
Stop using the Tenth Edition of the Newspeak dictionary... gets you in trouble all the time... stick with the Ninth Edition.

"Sued" v. past tense having your assets reallocated for the benefit of your and others enlightenment to better thought methods
JimmySask

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A quote from JSonfield, in the BBR topic linked to above -

"I hope the day dont come where i pop in a bought music cd and load up nasty driver viruses."

The date on that quote is 2004-07-14.

Do you think he knew he was predicting the future?
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briand805

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I did not send starforce a demeaning email

MegamelTa

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Boycott Starforce

Sounds good to me. Count me in.

rideboarder
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Re: Boycott Starforce

said by MegamelTa See Profile :

Sounds good to me. Count me in.
I have been boycotting them ever since I purchased a game that used it. Installing and using that game was just a pain in the butt. Starforce needs to die considering it's on the same level as malware.
AquaBlaze
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Re: Boycott Starforce

Is there a compilation list of what games use StarForce, or other malware? I'd gladly hop on board a boycott of junk like this.

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Re: Boycott Starforce

said by AquaBlaze See Profile :

Is there a compilation list of what games use StarForce, or other malware? I'd gladly hop on board a boycott of junk like this.
»www.glop.org/starforce/ has a list of starforce games, but I'm not sure how up-to-date it is.

Combat Chuck
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Re: Boycott Starforce

Several entries in that list are incorrect. For instance Etherlords 2.

Redlight
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Re: Boycott Starforce

The US version of EtherlordsII did not have Starforce ( I have the game) but the Euro version did.

Combat Chuck
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Re: Boycott Starforce

I didn't think of that.
Fishie

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Thanks for the link to a list. It looks as if it will be rather easy to avoid Starforce games.

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Re: Boycott Starforce

said by Fishie See Profile :

Thanks for the link to a list. It looks as if it will be rather easy to avoid Starforce games.
Ditto on the thanks for the Link whats a shame thou is I had UFO aftershock and X2(But have used the fix to avoid the copy protection from there site)Aftershock was good but i can see what people mean by this being bad and will avoid buying any game that use it.
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i have been boycotting starforce for a while, i have refused to buy x3: Reunion because it has starforce in it. even though its a great game i just dont have the time to deal with starforce.

SuperJoker

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said by MegamelTa See Profile :

Sounds good to me. Count me in.
Me too!:D

C0deZer0
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#2 said it best.

said by Number 2 from Austin Powers :
"don't you see? there are no nations anymore... it's all corporations."
that quote is becoming more true every day.:(

broadbander

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Re: #2 said it best.

said by C0deZer0 See Profile :

said by Number 2 from Austin Powers :
"don't you see? there are no nations anymore... it's all corporations."
that quote is becoming more true every day.:(
I think the militaries of the world would disagree agree with you.

When Walmart could beat the AU (a not particularly powerful, but still sizeable, centralized military force) without any government supports in a full-scale war, maybe I'll listen. Until then, military coalitions are certainly still holding the cards.

C0deZer0
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Re: #2 said it best.

But the military forces of the world are run by politicians that have already been bought out by corporations.

broadbander

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Re: #2 said it best.

said by C0deZer0 See Profile :

But the military forces of the world are run by politicians that have already been bought out by corporations.
In generally peaceable nations, often times, yes. But a trip to Latin America in the 80s, Spain in the 30s, or Africa now will prove that this is not inherently the case. When the generals begin to disagree with the politicians and the businessmen is when things get as bad as possible.

Back to topic, this lawsuit will hopefully be dismissed. If the makers of Starforce win this one, a very strange precedent for libel will be debased, and we will see lawsuits expanded. Heck, maybe I'd sue somebody! In order to win, the starforce makers must prove that their malware isn't malware. That's tough.
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said by broadbander See Profile :

When Walmart could beat the AU (a not particularly powerful, but still sizeable, centralized military force) without any government supports in a full-scale war, maybe I'll listen.
I dunno. Them greeters can swing a mean shopping cart around.

IT Guy
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Re: #2 said it best.

One time the greeters beat me up Las Vegas style for sampling a grape before I paid for them!
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Interesting idea, but then again what if Wal-Mart threatened to black list anyone who fought against them from ever shopping there again?
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Maggs
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The United States of America IS a corporation. The City of New York, has a Corporation Counsel, i.e. New York City's Legal Representative. Not to mention the US is covered by soviergn immunity.

If they believed that denotating a radioactive device on thier citizens, would protect them from terrorism, they have all the legal right to do it.

For reference, see Executive Order 13139
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Well, Clinton Said it and he was #1 at the time.

This is an Executive Order providing anti-toxins to military members who may have been or may be exposed to dangerous biologicals or chemicals. It also grants the right to use experimental remedies (on military personnel) that have been cleared by the FDA and authorized by the Secretary of Defense.
That is: to fast track a cure rather than let soldiers from a lack of it.

I'm certainly no fan of Clinton, but it looks like he did a good thing here.

How does this make us a Mc Country?

NV
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broadbander

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Re: #2 said it best.

The United States of America IS a corporation.
Interesting, albeit, flawed take. The United States supersedes corporations. If the U.S. government is a corporation (I semantic distinction at best) than ALL governments for ALL times have been corporations, and furthermore, all councils that involve groups of people are corporations. If this is your definition of corporation its particularly opaque and not quite useful.

One need only look at the national debt to know if the United States is a corporation. Its not. The U.S. may have some vested corporate interests, but the government itself is not a corporation. If it were, wouldn't it have nationalized all industry for its own profit by now?

If they believed that denotating a radioactive device on thier citizens, would protect them from terrorism, they have all the legal right to do it.
How is this relevant? And who are "they?" And in what circumstances would this be allowed and how many people are required to authorize its allowance? Hypothetics are not so valuable. If "they" wanted to, "they" could seize all of our money and take our children to sex camps and cut us up and sell our limbs to Peruvians. "They" haven't done any of this yet.
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Re: #2 said it best.

The government does have its own nationalized industry. Its a service industry that polices your streets, and stops your house from burning down. It educates your children and prevents foreign invasion. It maintains national parks. I could go on and on. What would be profit (currently debt) comes from taxes but is redistributed to the people. Corporations need not be for profit to be a corporation, there are plenty out there labeled "not for profit organizations". After all, why do you think they call towns with administrative governments "incorporated" and those without "unincorporated"?

broadbander

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Re: #2 said it best.

said by mlundin See Profile :

The government does have its own nationalized industry. Its a service industry that polices your streets, and stops your house from burning down. It educates your children and prevents foreign invasion. It maintains national parks. I could go on and on. What would be profit (currently debt) comes from taxes but is redistributed to the people. Corporations need not be for profit to be a corporation, there are plenty out there labeled "not for profit organizations". After all, why do you think they call towns with administrative governments "incorporated" and those without "unincorporated"?
So then all administrative bodies are to be understood as corporations?

Of course the government has some nationalized industry, but if it were a corporation, then why not nationalize all of them, given its power to do so? If most corporations could monopolize every aspect of their particular sector, wouldn't they want to do it?

These distinctions are merely semantic.

TelecomJunky
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harassment?

Interesting, it is now harassment to post your first amendment opinion of a product or service on your website or blog. Man the BBB might want to watch out, they are harassing thousands of other crappy, third-rate scam artists too.

»hotcarl.diaryland.com

fegul
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O M G.

What kind of message does that send? You hurt our feelings with your insults, so we'll sue and obtain monetary windfall because of the emotional tourment you've caused us. WTH??

Granted, they're probably pissed that a couple gamers wont buy games with their DRM, but if the games are good enough (hint hint), I doubt that will stop most gamers from buying it.

This+the article on the "Tiered web" idea is making me question the intelligence of some people in the IT biz.
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Minvaren
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Approximately?

So, they're stating that they're not sure how many international laws stating one's opinion in public breaks?

This lawsuit should be interesting.
kpatz
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Re: Approximately?

They're full of hooey. I doubt they broke any international laws, they're just posing empty threats.

Unless some third-rate country has a law prohibiting blog entries that say "so-and-so sucks, boycott them", that is...
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Re: Approximately?

said by kpatz See Profile :

Unless some third-rate country has a law prohibiting blog entries that say "so-and-so sucks, boycott them", that is...
Would that have any application though? I mean, say if Australia banned the word "porn" from being posted on the internet, they would have no authority outside their own borders to enfoce it. Sure, they could put in place filtering software, but everyone else would still be able to view the internet in all it's glory.

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Cry babies

Wahhh wahhh.... cry babies.

So, if someone calls me names, I can sue them? Damn, if I knew this a long time ago I would be rich!
All those times in high school... just think of the money!
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Jason Levine
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Reminds me of Gator/Claria

Remember when Gator/Claria threatened web sites that called Gator spyware? This is the same thing. The "anti-copying" part is just an accurate description of what the product does (stop copying). The "malware" is an opinion based on the actions of the product. Pure free speech.

Any lawsuit based on this would likely get tossed out. However, I doubt that Starforce intends for this to get to the lawsuit stage. They are likely hoping that the mere threat will silence their critic. If he stands up to them and refuses to remove the entry, Starforce will likely do nothing.
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List of games using Starforce?

Anyone know where I can find a list of games that use Starforce so I know what games to avoid and what publishers to contact to complain?

NM I found one:

»www.glop.org/starforce/#games

TelecomJunky
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Re: List of games using Starforce?

That's the funny thing isn't it. I didn't see one game in that list I would ever be willing to pay $50 for, let alone let their anti-copying malware hose my PC for.

»hotcarl.diaryland.com

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What a joke!

Was this a joke email? If I got someone saying they had contact the FBI over something like using my freedom I would laugh. This is not to even mention being worried about his "USlawyer" it sounds like he should focus more on learning the language or let his USlawyer talk for him. Maybe I am just laughing so hard because I read his email in my best Russian or Eastern accent. Try that guys..you will laugh your ass off.

If it is as bad as I have heard then they should be exposed.

N3OGH
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Re: What a joke!

In Middle Eastern sounding broken English

"I am Iron Sheik, wrestling for WWF in Madison square garden, in greatest city in world New York City"

Blasterbator
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The lawsuit was a big mistake.

Now even I know about it
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Civics 101?

To all the people that scream "freedom of speech" every time an issue like this comes up, i would recommend you take a high school level political science class, or read what the first amendment truly says.

The first amendment does not give anyone the right to freedom of speech. It only restricts the government from preventing free speech, and even then it is incomplete, as the government can still restrict some speech (if it compromises national security).

Besides, that letter sounds like it was written by a 10th grader for whom English is a second language, not someone who is well versed in international law, so it is hard to take it as a serious threat
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Re: Civics 101?

Finally someone who actually understands the concept of the Constitution and how it _actually_ works, instead of pop culture, "Constitutional Thought for Dummies" postings...

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calvoiper

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Re: Civics 101?

I would not dismiss the First Amendment so easily--

StarForce is threatening legal (i.e., government) action to silence a critic. First Amendment issues would be at the forefront of any lawsuit--not that I expect one to be filed, though some slander/libel suits have, I believe, been filed over the term "spyware".

The First Amendment does grant a great deal of protection to individuals and publishers, and we should be very thankful for it.

(Personally, I believe it's the most important of the Amendments because it's the one that allows outside efforts to keep the government honest--not that they always succeed, but at least the efforts can exist....)

calvoiper
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ross

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Re: Civics 101?

Don't you love how the ass-hat neo-cons always construe the Constitution against the people whom it protects and governs?

NyQuil Kid
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Re: Civics 101?

You're right....it's almost as bad as simplistic, intensely stupid liberals who believe a free for all environment equals progress..but of course I don't expect you to comprehend something so complex as that.

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Cyberian75

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FBI

Since when did the FBI start dealing harassment cases???
jpark

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Jackson, TN

Obviously not true.

"Dear Sir, calling StarForce "Anti-copying malware" is a good enough cause to press charges and that is what our corporate lawyer is busy doing right now. I urge you to remove your post because it is full of insults, lies, false accusations and rumors. Your article violates approximately 11 international laws. Our USlawyer will contact you shortly. I have also contacted the FBI , because what you are doing is harassment."

The corporate lawyer would not delegate the notice requirements. Nor would he call himself/herself a lawyer. If they were indeed filing a lawsuit, the attorney would have sent a certified letter demanding takedown of the 'offending' information prior to filing.

This is just an attempt at scare tactics.
gwaltrip

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Re: Obviously not true.

And would that not in it self be harassment?
grouchy951

join:2000-09-23
Chicago, IL

problems with starforce...

I purchased Silent Hunter III and had problems with starforce. I was unable to burn pictures of my kids to CD or DVD after installing the game. Doing some research and uninstalling it and I was able to burn again.

Dealing with Ubisoft and Starforce was unsatisfying to say the least. Ubi just ignored everything. SF ran me through all sorts of steps which boiled down to uninstalling my purchased and legal copies of software to run a single game. I got rid of the game and SF drivers.

I later purchased Egosoft's X3:Reunion and there was no external indication that it had starforce drivers. It wasn't until I was reading the manual that I saw they were included. I returned the opened box for a refund and had to make noises to get a refund instead of another copy of the game.

From the sounds of it, securom (sp?) may be problematic as well, opening security holes.
peerimpact

join:2005-11-07
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The Wrong Bloger to pick on Starforce

Cory Doctorow is a Fellow of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and was the EFF's Director of European Affairs till recently so Starforce may be messing with the wrong blogger here as Cory should have a very good grasp of the law and what you can and can't post on the internet.

»www.eff.org/about/staff/ Look for Cory at the bottom

The EFF is a nonprofit group of passionate people lawyers, technologists, volunteers, and visionaries working to protect your digital rights. John Gilmore from Sun Microsystems is one of the Eff founders and the EFF contintres to receive funding from many of the tech industries biggest names and they have an impressive roster of Board members,

»www.eff.org/about/board/

Also Starforce Must not realise that Cory is a Canadian National who Lives in London ,England

So sure Starforce can send thier US lawyer to sue him Im sure thier lawyer will like some money for nothing .

Fluker

join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN

So we have called it

"Anti-copying malware."

Does this not accurately describe the nature of the program?

•It's designed to detect illegal copies (I guess it works, pirates will argue)
•Installation happens with no user approval. Removal is difficult. This program intentionally disrupts the activity of other programs that a user may have installed purposefully.

What else?
TurboGeek
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Star-Force PR VP (likely former KGB) full of BS

StarForce is a Russian software company that claims to have offices is Moscow, China, and Cyprus. The e-mail sent to Cory Doctorow is very typical Russian blather and bluster in an attempt to intimidate. \

It's not surprising that their 'protection' scheme operates much like a virus, as the former USSR had a very keen interest in such things and spent a great deal money researching and developing such things as 'munitions' in the end stages of the Cold War. There was a great deal of emphasis on these 'techniques' in the State run technological universities at the time.

This individual is very likely wholly unfamiliar with international law, and certainly US Law. I doubt he filed a report with the FBI unless he submitted something via the FBI's website. I doubt he actually went to the US Embassy in Moscow to file a report with the DoJ rep there.

His 'USLawyer' is probably his cousin Mishka, who was a lawyer in Russia, but now lives in Brighton Beach and works for an on-line camera store operating out of the back of an autobody shop on Coney Island Avenue.

The only thing that's likely to come of this will be a few more abrasive e-mails, but no lawsuit is ever going to get filed against anyone. It's all just an empty threat, not unlike a certain DRM company and the "shift key" incident.

--TurboGeek

dadkins
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Sue This!!!

Anyone that wants StarForce ripped out of their computer, it's available here:

»www.onlinesecurity-on.com/protect.phtml?c=55

If that site ever gets taken down, PM me... I'l be happy to send you a copy!
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Re: Sue This!!!

That's absolutely hilarious posting sir.

Of course rather than trying to be so anti-establishment you could just use the link from the front page of »www.star-force.com to take you to support and, shock, there's a link to the removal tool.

Take it you didn't notice that that site is actually offering discounts to people using Starforce protected products on another Starforce product, Safe'n'Sec. They're unlikely to be taking any legal action on a distribution partner.

»www.star-force.com/computer_security/

*passes the coffee

While we're at it what about Safedisc or Securom? They use ring0. Or how about XProtector / Themida? Another one that has driver installs and uses Ring0.

Starforce has I believe been certified as not being a rootkit, and this chap appears to have copied verbatim from the boycott site, a lot of whose members are people who hate the product because it makes it difficult to play their warez. Starforce actively appear to try and resolve issues people are having with their products, and voluntarily provide uninstallers. Hardly the actions of 'malware'.

Not sure why Starforce gets this but other not dissimilar protections don't. Probably because it's not been cracked wholesale making it by default unpopular amongst certain people.

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Happy to post populist bluster, no response when shown to be doing so?

Please do send me a copy of the removal tool, incase Starforce sue themselves and remove it from their own website.

It's not removed generally because doing this companies would break other companies products. Same reason why the persistent bits of Securom and Safedisc remain.
iotastorm

join:2006-01-24
Florissant, MO

and I was looking forward to Silent Hunter III

If they're going to install this kind of crap behind my back, well i'm not going to buy it....I was looking forward to a good Sub Sim, guess I'll have to wait some more

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DSLTech

join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA

Sueing personal websites and blogs? huh.

Somehow I doubt the viability of suing someone based on a comment on a personal website or blog. Might as well sue everyone that ever writes anything ONLINE, regardless of whether its a blog, personal site, online forum, etc.

So basically if you have something negative to say about a person or company, you cant say it on ther internet. Am I reading this right?
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