Verizon: 'Bandwidth Hog'? Cordoning off 80% of new network for itself Techdirt points to an article in Business Week stating that according to documents filed with the FCC, Verizon intends to earmark 80% of its network capacity for its own services, squeezing the remainder of traffic into the remaining 20%. Companies like Amazon are concerned "they'll all be trying to squeeze into the leftover lanes on Verizon's network." The article seems a bit melodramatic, since Verizon is very aware sub-par network performance will lose customers.
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1 edit | Re: Can you hear me now? SBC/at&t LightSpeed must also reserve all but 6mbs for it's IPTV service -- owing mainly to it's finite copper based VDSL2/FTTN PHY layer.
FiOS on the other hand has virtually NO bandwidth limits (it's all fiber) except the limits it chooses.
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| | | | How is this significantly different from the cableco's using the bulk of the bandwidth on their coax infrastructure for a mix of analog and digital video? | |
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1 edit | Re: Can you hear me now? said by sommerfeld:How is this significantly different from the cableco's using the bulk of the bandwidth on their coax infrastructure for a mix of analog and digital video? It's exactly the same thing. They are whining about Verizon using 80% of its own fiber pipe to deliver TV access. Hello, the cable co's are doing exactly the same thing! Multiple HD streams need lots of bandwidth, DUH! They are forgetting that the left over 20% is still more than enough to provide internet access considering that they are currently providing some of the fastest speeds available. The two will be independent of each other anyways, so the TV isn't going to take speed from your internet access, so it isn't going to slow down your browsing or downloading at all...
I'm starting to think Amazon.com & co. are getting a bit greedy on their part. Who cares if someone can access their website with 3 megs or 15 megs...that isn't going to hurt their business at all since websites won't load faster with the 15 meg connection anyways....they are just asking for verizon to set up QoS....talk about shooting yourself in the foot  | |
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said by rideboarder:said by sommerfeld:How is this significantly different from the cableco's using the bulk of the bandwidth on their coax infrastructure for a mix of analog and digital video? It's exactly the same thing. All the main ISP companies have built their own fiber nets(not the ones shared with all others(Level3, Cogent, UUnet, etc). And they built those to deliver their own content at high QOS standards for VOIP, videos, etc. All they are asking is that if others want to ride on the limited access private turnpike instead of the public highway that they kick in a fee.
And if a law prevents that, then the costs to their users are going to rise. So the end user is going to pay more no matter what. Either to the content providers or to the network providers.
But we have 2 classes of users - those who will use these new bandwidth intensive apps and those who won't. Under the content providers pay model, only the intensive users will pay. Under the network providers pay model, everyone pays - even those who only do email and regular browsing. The content providers pay model is fairer to the majority of the users. Though the biggest heaviest users will complain when they have to carry more of the costs they are causing.
Maybe the network providers(ISPs) will have to move to a bytes/mo model instead of flat rates. That way the content providers won't pay extra and the end users will pay based upon how much bandwidth they consume.
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join:2003-01-19 | Re: Can you hear me now? This gets back to the questions of advertisers. Right now, advertisers are piggybacking on a lot of traffic. But if users suddenly start paying per byte (or some rougher equiv such as tiers), users are going to NOT want to pay for all the freeloading advertisements.
On the other hand, the google model makes advertising intrinsic to the product. It is hard to see how this will play out. | |
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It's exactly the same thing.
Right! When the telcos ralk about rolling out "broadband", they're looking at imitating what Cable has been doing all along. To them "broadband" does NOT equal generic internet access.
In fact, Cable has been doing it for so long, no one criticizes them for the "2 tiered" network they have, whereby most of the bandwidth is allocated to their premium services, and a small fraction is allocated for generic internet access. | |
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And who cares if they don't know anything about the Comcast network or read from a script? That's basically Comcast customer service now anyway. If anything, it'd be a 50% improvement alone in customer service from just the politeness factor.
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| | | | Re: Maybe we'll get lucky... Comcast call centers do not use scripts. When they need to send out overflow, I cannot speak for them. As far as the India comment, I sure there are many people who will strongly disagree with you there. | |
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Minas Tirith | said by IronChefMoto:
If anything, it'd be a 50% improvement alone in customer service from just the politeness factor.
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kudos:4 | said by IronChefMoto:...and they'll be forced to cut costs and outsource their customer service call centers to India. At least THOSE call center employees are polite! yeah. assuming you can understand them.
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| | Fiber optic We are talking about Verizon's Fiber Optic network, which they are paying to install? Right?
Have existing FIOS customers complained about the quality of the IP service? Do they feel short-changed?
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Carrollton, TX | Re: Fiber optic I don't think they are actually talking about FiOS, but rather the backbone network that Verizon acquired as part of the MCI buyout. Your implication though is of course right - Verizon own the network so why can't they use it as they see fit. | |
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| | And this is suprising why? Lets use my 10 lane analogy again.. Verizon builds a 10 lane highway.. It's crowded with new technologies..
I'm a verizon executive. Lets see how I can SCREW THE CONSUMER as much as possible.. Ahh, yes, we'll change 8 of the lanes into 'toll' lanes. If you don't pay, you get put on the overcongested 2 lane highway, where everything sucks..
That QOS had to come from somewhere. All those corporate apologists are too shortsighted to realize what this means. It means it's time for the government to step in an legislate net neutrality. What does that mean? It means that sure, verizon CANNOT run their own 8 lane toll highway. If they want to use it to carry TV, fine! But it's NOT THE INTERNET, it's TV. Verizon cannot 'charge more' for anyone else to use that network. Verizon cannot have 2 tiers of service. If I'm an ISP, I have exactly the same right to send the customer bytes as google does. There is no '2nd tier' of paying, to get 'better service'. Verizon is using MY LAND to run their wires. Verizon plays by MY RULES.
Again, the end solution to this may be the government stepping in and regulating verizon again. This greed has got to be stopped NOW, otherwise the internet will end up being a vast corporate wasteland, where discrimination are all based on the ability to pay, which goes against every tenet of democracy.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: And this is suprising why? said by G_Poobah:Verizon is using MY LAND to run their wires. Verizon plays by MY RULES. Yes, they are, maybe for the first few feet of the connection.
said by G_Poobah:Again, the end solution to this may be the government stepping in and regulating verizon again. No, the correct solution is to find another ISP that better caters to your needs. Why anyone would pay for service that doesn't suit their needs is totally beyond me.
said by G_Poobah:This greed has got to be stopped NOW, otherwise the internet will end up being a vast corporate wasteland, where discrimination are all based on the ability to pay, which goes against every tenet of democracy. Um... every business works like this. What's next? You want the government to force companies like Porsche and Bentley to lower their prices so that everyone can afford their product?
No one died without Verizon FIOS. If Verizon chooses to lose customers by providing bad service, then its their CEOs who will get scalped for blowing away literally millions of dollars in capital investments.
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| | | | | Re: And this is suprising why? said by pnh102:said by G_Poobah:Verizon is using MY LAND to run their wires. Verizon plays by MY RULES. Yes, they are, maybe for the first few feet of the connection. said by G_Poobah:Again, the end solution to this may be the government stepping in and regulating verizon again. No, the correct solution is to find another ISP that better caters to your needs. Why anyone would pay for service that doesn't suit their needs is totally beyond me. said by G_Poobah:This greed has got to be stopped NOW, otherwise the internet will end up being a vast corporate wasteland, where discrimination are all based on the ability to pay, which goes against every tenet of democracy. Um... every business works like this. What's next? You want the government to force companies like Porsche and Bentley to lower their prices so that everyone can afford their product? No one died without Verizon FIOS. If Verizon chooses to lose customers by providing bad service, then its their CEOs who will get scalped for blowing away literally millions of dollars in capital investments. "go find another provider"
How can i when every telco/cableco starts doing this?
Your examples and ideals are flawed.. When you come back to reality i might encourage your posts.
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hiatus | said by pnh102:No, the correct solution is to find another ISP that better caters to your needs. Why anyone would pay for service that doesn't suit their needs is totally beyond me. Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up, its a bit hard to chose someone like a local ISP or Speakeasy since Verizon is intent on keeping them from leasing their networks for as long as possible.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: And this is suprising why? said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough!
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hiatus | Re: And this is suprising why? said by pnh102:said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough! Do you know of any instances where Verizon has allowed people to keep the copper running to their home when they have FIOS installed ? If Verizon says that they can't, then yes, it is Verizon's fault.
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| Re: And this is suprising why? said by bmn:said by pnh102:said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough! Do you know of any instances where Verizon has allowed people to keep the copper running to their home when they have FIOS installed ? If Verizon says that they can't, then yes, it is Verizon's fault. If you stop by the FIOS forum you would see that it is by no means a set policy. Some keep it and others don't.
Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous.
If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort.
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hiatus | Re: And this is suprising why? said by Pathfinder:If you stop by the FIOS forum you would see that it is by no means a set policy. Some keep it and others don't. Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous. If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort. That's the thing... People who get FIOS are essentially locked into using Verizon at that point... So saying "Choose another provider" isn't really an option in some cases because once you have the fibre, you don't have another choice but Verizon.
And there is no expectation that Verizon would maintain that loop to the house. until it was activated again by the customer. Hell, Verizon would even be free to use it with another customer until the person asked to get it back. So its not that big of a deal for Verizon to leave the copper in place.
And hell, if a customer is willing to pay a little bit extra, Verizon should be willing to keep the copper to their home. But that would make too much sense.
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3 edits | said by Pathfinder:Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous. If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort. Does that mean they will stop raking in USF fees?
Do you think that removing the uunet backbone from use by its existing subscribers is a fair business practice?
I am a customer of two former MCI resellers, Cyberonic and Digizip. We are currently being rudely dumped by MCI with almost no notice. Got a postcard Tuesday from Cyberonic re the switch to Covad, but with no definitive information. Got cut off without further notice today. Unable to contact Cyberonic because their phone lines are constantly busy due to their having done this to the majority of their MCI customers. My choice, as I understand it, is to remain a Cyberonic customer at a higher rate than new Cyberonic customers, and accept being forced to switch from month to month to a one year contract with high termination fees to remain a Cyberonic/Covad customer, or go elsewhere. In the meantime, I have no internet connection and the line won't be released until I can contact/cancel Cyberonic. I can't even try out the Covad service without the IP and subnet info that I can't get from Cyberonic due to their constantly busy phone. BTW, they do not return calls or e-mails anyway. On the otherhand, Verizon hasn't screwed Digizip yet, but it's coming.
DirecTV had a somewhat orderly demise by contrast.
Verizon DSL service isn't available in my area, neither is their Fios optical service.
Covads PPPOE, or PPPOA, is not equivalent to a true static IP.
I think the Telco's well documented callous disregard for their customers, and their effort to constrain competition begs for government regulation of the industry in order to guarantee these abuses cease.
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1 edit | Re: And this is suprising why? said by ross:Does that mean they will stop raking in USF fees? Do you think that removing the uunet backbone from use by its existing subscribers is a fair business practice? USF fees as far as I know have nothing to do with the plant. And if they are tied to the copper and you don't have copper, then no fee.
As far as your other dilemna, if UUNET gave the reseller proper lead time and there are alternatives, then it should be no problem.
Sounds to me, after reading a long thread about it, that your problem is with Cyberonic, not UUNET.
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Verizon builds a network and wants to use their network to deliver their services with priority. What's the problem? Do you not want innovation?
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hiatus | Re: And this is suprising why? said by bogey780:Do you not want innovation? I hate how people toss the word "innovation" out there to try and give companies carte blanche to do whatever they want. Adversely affecting the applications of others isn't innovation. Innovation would be building a network with the capacity to handle all of the services they want to offer without having to adversely affect everyone else.
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| | | Discriminating based on the ability to pay is what made this country what it is, its called Capitalism.
Try Russia I heard communism turned out really well. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: And this is suprising why? said by Shark_615:Try Russia I heard communism turned out really well. Don't you mean the USSR?  Oh wait. That country doesn't exist anymore. Why is that? BECAUSE THE USA RULES! LOL
Actually, Russia has started embracing more capitalistic ideals such as charging market rates for natural resources and flat income taxation. Once they stop jailing CEOs who don't support the government they might be poised for even more growth.
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hiatus | said by Shark_615:Discriminating based on the ability to pay is what made this country what it is, its called Capitalism. Hate to tell you this, but that's not always a good thing...
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: And this is suprising why? said by bmn:Hate to tell you this, but that's not always a good thing... Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is the only economic system out there which allows for as many people as possible to become rich.
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hiatus | Re: And this is suprising why? said by pnh102:Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is the only economic system out there which allows for as many people as possible to become rich. And the number of people who become rich is only slightly more in capitalism that it is in other economies... The number of people in the upper income bracket isn't getting any larger in a big hurry.
And such a statement only matters to those people who think that wealth is a valid measure of worth.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: And this is suprising why? said by bmn:And the number of people who become rich is only slightly more in capitalism that it is in other economies... The number of people in the upper income bracket isn't getting any larger in a big hurry. Nope. For the longest time, the USA has had one of the highest per-capita GDPs in the world. We're also the 4th largest country population-wise. Given those factors, its only logical to conclude that there is a lot of money spread out amongst a lot of people in this country. The 3 countries that rank above the USA all have far fewer people against which to divide an even smaller GDP. Many socialist countries, especially some of those in Western Europe, are far below the USA in terms of per capita GDP. Capitalism is the only way by which the USA became so rich in a relatively short amount of time (~200-300 years) compared to other established countries which have been around longer.
Other countries which mimic our capitalist system have seen significant gains in wealth. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that if you want to have a rich society, then free market capitalism is the way to go.
said by bmn:And such a statement only matters to those people who think that wealth is a valid measure of worth. Wealth is the only valid measure of worth. I'd be funny to see someone try paying the mortgage, rent, car payment, loan payments, grocery bills, utility bills or any other expense with something other than wealth.
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1 edit | Re: And this is suprising why? said by pnh102:said by bmn:And the number of people who become rich is only slightly more in capitalism that it is in other economies... The number of people in the upper income bracket isn't getting any larger in a big hurry. Nope. For the longest time, the USA has had one of the highest per-capita GDPs in the world. We're also the 4th largest country population-wise. Given those factors, its only logical to conclude that there is a lot of money spread out amongst a lot of people in this country. Once again, oversimplification... Per capita GDP is a measure not without its problems and if you use it without context, you end up with the picture you paint. The problem with per capita GDP is that it ignores the fact that wealth isn't even close to be evenly distributed. A majority of the wealth of the US is held by a small minority of the population. So while per capita GDP may be high, the amount each person actually holds of that pie is nowhere near that.
said by bmn:And such a statement only matters to those people who think that wealth is a valid measure of worth. Wealth is the only valid measure of worth. I'd be funny to see someone try paying the mortgage, rent, car payment, loan payments, grocery bills, utility bills or any other expense with something other than wealth.
Not to mention that "worth" is a purely subjective measure...
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| said by G_Poobah:Lets use my 10 lane analogy again.. Verizon builds a 10 lane highway.. It's crowded with new technologies.. I'm a verizon executive. Lets see how I can SCREW THE CONSUMER as much as possible.. Ahh, yes, we'll change 8 of the lanes into 'toll' lanes. If you don't pay, you get put on the overcongested 2 lane highway, where everything sucks.. Do we know the 2 lanes are "overcongested"? No I didn't think so.
More like take care of my consumers first. No different than any other corporation.
BTW, did any of the articles quoted make any mention of capacicty besides 80%?
No, I thought not. Do we have any idea how much capacity is left? What it equates to in speed and latency?
Nah. Let's just jump the gun anyway.
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Nashua, NH | said by G_Poobah:*snip rant* Again, the end solution to this may be the government stepping in and regulating verizon again. This greed has got to be stopped NOW, otherwise the internet will end up being a vast corporate wasteland, where discrimination are all based on the ability to pay, which goes against every tenet of democracy. From the article post "The article seems a bit melodramatic."
Please read that multiple times before you go running off again.
How much bandwidth will the 20 percent provide? I bet you do not know. In fact I am SURE you do not know. So your statements are based on *pure* speculation.
Will this 20% only provide half the needed bandwidth, 100%, 200% 10 billion percent?
So, IF 20 percent will allocate more than enough bandwidth to support traffic on *their* network, is this still "greed"?
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| | | | your land?? it's not your land, and it's not your network. it's verizonsnetwork they can do whatever they want with it.
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Atlanta, GA | said by G_Poobah:I'm a verizon executive. Lets see how I can SCREW THE CONSUMER as much as possible.. Ahh, yes, we'll change 8 of the lanes into 'toll' lanes. If you don't pay, you get put on the overcongested 2 lane highway, where everything sucks.. Hehe... I tell you what... I don't post on here very often, but your writings are always a great source of comic relief during a long day at work.
The conspiracy theorists who think that company execs sit around in their dark little rooms and scheme up ways to "screw the consumer" are hilarious, if a little pathetic.
Keep up the good work!
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Grand Rapids, MI | Re: It's their fiber. said by bokamba:It's their network; they can do what they want with it. They also have the right to have their stock price drop to junk status. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Just More Greed said by GlenQuagmire:This is the reason why I AM NOT a customer of the telcos (never have and never will be). I stay with cable Internet and VOIP. I am not saying that Comcast is perfect but they are not telling me what I can and can't do on the Internet. LOL@U
Hmm, caps on total amount of downloads/uploads, no servers (typically YMMV), throttled P2P clients,
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3 edits | Verizon sings! "It's my network and i"ll hog if I want to
Hog if I want to,
Hog if I want to.
You would hog too if it happened to you."
Well I already left Verizon for Optimum Online, and it was a great move for me. Instead of crawling with pokey DSL I get 10/1 for $30 a month, and for another $15 soon to be blazing at an incredible 30/2 with OOL's "Boost." DSL can't touch that. FIOS will likely never get here (MDU) so VZ can play all the corporate piggy games they want AFAIC but they'll be doing so without moi.
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1 edit | Re: Verizon sings! said by mikepd:MDU installs are just a matter of time, not 'never'. » FIOS To be Installed in some MDU'sI think you mean a bit faster than 3/2 as in 30/2 as I have 15/2 from Road Runner in addition to my 3/768 VZ line. How long is the capping thread in the OOL forum these days? I live in a huge MDU in NY not 5 stories in a small town. From all reports FIOS isn't even on Verizon's radar yet for NY MDU's. Anyway "likely never" isn't the same as saying "never" But that is good to read. Thanks for the URL.
And thanks for spotting my typo. Correction made.
Edit: I don't host, game, or P2P, so capping isn't a concern here.
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North Babylon, NY | said by mikepd:How long is the capping thread in the OOL forum these days? Very long  why not check it out yourself? | |
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I mean, hey, you want to live in this nice neighborhood? All that nice land. Guess what? the developer is coming in and putting in as much homes as it can. Here come the congestion, road traffic, bad drivers, bad neighbors, ... and higher taxes. Property taxes go up. Does the developer give a damn? no...
Wouldn't you rather the developer be liable BEFORE they build those boxes? That the developer widen all the roads and pick up the tab for the additional sewer lines, water lines, utility. The developer pick up the cost of the schools, the new firehouse and police station (you will need for all those residents coming in).
The developer wants the land but not the responsibility of the effects.
So, hey, you want to get on this network and take your profit and not be liable for the traffic you cause, well...too bad. Pay up or go somewhere else. Someone will pay. And that someone will eventually be us.
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| | | ??? The article is deceptive. Yes, Verizon's pipe to the home from the CO will carry telephone, Internet and Vidoe, just like the cable company's does. If 80% of the pipe is devoted to video, that is no different than the cable company does. This will not compromise the internet feed at all.
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hiatus | Re: ??? That depends... If Verizon sells you a 30Mbps pipe but sticks the IPTV stream in that pipe along with your internet data, that might be a problem. And that's what it sounds like they may do since they are working toward an all IP network. Cableco's can do what they do because they aren't using IP do deliver their video and, most of the time, voice.
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| | talking about major connections Arent they talking about the major internet backbone connections?
So if say cablevision uses a evrizon line to connect its network to the others then it will have less bandwidth for its customers?
Everyone is talking in terms of evrizon services but from what i see they are talking about parts of the backbone of the net right?
if they are talking about the backbones wouldnt this slow the net down for everybody but verizon customers? | |
| | | there are none. It's just an explanation of what already takes place:
We are talking about 2.4gigabit pipe with 622megabits upstream capable shared with 32 customers, are we not?
This is all pre-nextgen gigabit networks which can double capacity, almost overnight. Verizon still needs to figure out how to get video customers, while still gouging them for overpriced phone(POTS)... that's gonna be some trick, NO? | |
| | | Possession is 9/10s of the law. If Verizon has an OC192 (or any speed of line) and wants to use 80% of it for internal or customer only services, I say go ahead it's theirs. Its like telling Comcast that they have to use 50% of the line for TV and 50% of the line for Internet.
Someone builds a house do I have the right to tell them that they have to use more than 20% of their house for the Garage?
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| | | | Re: Possession is 9/10s of the law. the problem is thats the kind of stuff that MAbell was broken up for in the first place.
Thats like Microsoft saying that only 2 programs can be installed on windows if they are not MIcrosoft products. | |
| | | | | Re: Possession is 9/10s of the law. I don't know the story of MAbell (maybe too young), but that is what makes competition. Someone being more open, more able to take risks, and someone doing it better.
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| | Verizon: 'Bandwidth Hog'? Verizon bought MCI and with the deal came UUnet, and that is what there talking about...EG: Verizon is going to implement QoS on there backbone (UUnet) and keep 80% bandwidth for themselves. | |
| | | Regulated Monoploy I think most people here are forgetting that Verizon is a regulated monopoly, that I as a subscriber am paying Verizon for access, Google is paying for their internet access (Which I am sure is in the $100K's/mo), and the backbone providers (Which there are about 11) have peering agreements in place to account for traffic between them. When Verizon comes in and say they want much of the network (Cables on PUBLIC land, with government subsidies) for their own services and charge anyone else to get better than subpar performance is really trying to screw over the American taxpayer again.
Hopefully the FCC will shoot this down like the garbage it is. | |
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