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Portland, OR
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| Bring it HOME However, it appears in the article that Qwest only wants it to go out to the communities, and then copper from there to the homes!
Why do something 1/2-way? Take it to the homes so that people can use it or buy services that come via the fiber!
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join:2005-03-08
Falls Church, VA | Yea....right! Wait for us, we will come. Where have we heard that before? | |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | hmmm..... If you discuss it they will come.............
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| More crying by the bells Waaaaaaaaaaahhh...
We don't want you to compete with us, so you can't! Oh, and we don't want to build it ourselves. If I can't have it, then no-one can have it..
Anyone with a 2 year old (or a corporate apologist) understands the emotional state these crybabies are in. If it's not their, then it's no-ones!
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| Re: More crying by the bells Well, if you were a stockholder then maybe you would be crying to. Exactly how should a publically traded company react? Also, I hope some of the Portlandites cry as well at the costs for that buildout. Its not cheap and they will be the responsible party picking up the bill.
One of the interesting things about the popular muni broadband is the myth that a) everyone within the municipality wants it, b) they all want it at any cost, and c) the muni thinks market penetration is substantial when reality often shows that it isn't.
I'll taking crying stockholders over corrupt city politicians anyday. | |
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join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT
| Re: More crying by the bells said by GhostDoggy  :One of the interesting things about the popular muni broadband is the myth that a) everyone within the municipality wants it, b) they all want it at any cost, and c) the muni thinks market penetration is substantial when reality often shows that it isn't. I'll taking crying stockholders over corrupt city politicians anyday. If you think corporate execs (especially Qwest) aren't corrupt, I have a nice piece of beach front property here in SLC to sell you.
Don't be shocked if Qwest begins to lobby for legislation against muni-fiber projects in Portland a la UTOPIA.
Regarding muni broadband myths, UTOPIA is beginning to tell the tale... we'll soon know what is myth and what is not. | |
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join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | I wouldn't feed G_Poobah he is just a communist troll who will complain about any corporation he has read about with silly, illogical arguments that have no basis in reality. | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: More crying by the bells Yes, but every once in a while he says something good. UTOPIA fiber is crap 100 GB caps. | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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1 edit |  Portland looking to franchise and NOT build
»www.oregonlive.com/business/oreg···l&coll=7
A month ago, Saltzman said he would consider proposing a city-funded network. On Monday, however, he said he will instead try to entice a private company to pay for the network, holding out access to city facilities and the prospect of the city as a major customer as incentives.
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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| Re: Portland looking to franchise and NOT build said by JTRockville :What makes you think the people who posted didn't read the article? I don't see any comments that contradict this. He sometimes is holding court on 10 or 12 message boards at once, and gets confused as to which group he's astroturfing to.
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
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| Let the city build the infrastructure. In my mind the ideal setup would be the City building a Fiber network that multiple ISPs could utilize paying the city for the service. It seems like the best and perhaps only way to get true competition beyond a telco and a cableco. Right of ways to bury fiber is not easy or affordable to obtain for a 3rd party. | |
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PDXracer
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join:2002-08-13
Grants Pass, OR
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| Re: Let the city build the infrastructure. I will buy FTTH from Verizon, but not Qwest.
They would bring their horrible CS, and overpriced service to us.
No way ............
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| alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | BINGO Shack.......I have been trying to tell you guys this for years. If the Cities build the infrastructure, you'll get your FTTH and then you can pick the products you want to buy to use it. | |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| There is no Free Ride, Portland Nor is there a free school lunch for that matter.
The city doesn't print its own money, but rather it collects money from its residents. How many and under what threshold of agreement must the Portland residents say YES in order to justify a costly build out to be 'popular'?
BTW, has Portland already defined broadband as a utility, or are they now feeling they have the cajones to play big-business with someone else's money? Its nice to spend the taxpayers money, or someone else's money for that matter, and the worse that can happen is you scam some of it for yourself and get booted from office--maybe even a little jail time.
$470 Million is a lot of money. How much is that per household or per capita? The 2000 Census put their population at 529121. That makes the per capita ~$888 for the build out. So, how many Portlandites are writing checks to cover this, and what other services might get canned or cut as a result of city coffers being dry?
And if its going to go the way of private buildout then why not simply contract with Qwest to build it out at the city's expense? I'm a little lost. If Qwest builds it then the city offers nothing on the build out. If another for-profit company does it the city offers build-out assistance? Where is the rational in that??? | |
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | Ask PA Perhaps the residents of Portland should consult the populace of Pennsylvania on the telco promise to bring Fiber to that fine state?
Just a thought, | |
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| jdracer47
join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| Re: Ask PA Yeah, we have been waiting patiently since 1993. I have fiber to my remote terminal, but not even DSL yet. The only reason we have Fiber to the RT is that I live in an Ex-GTE area and they were actually attempting to live up to the agreement. 13 years: I have held 6 jobs, owned two cars, seen two Presidents, put myself through College, had 5 serious girlfriends, etc. during the same time period. What is the point in waiting for a Telco to do anything, put in the fiber yourself as it is the only way people will see it any time soon. | |
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| Re: Ask PA AMEN!!! And very funny post! ROCK ON! Yet, sad commentary on the state of the Telco's broken promises. Wake up America! When the Telco's say they will finally roll out services if we JUST allow them to deregulate, or we JUST let them to be a monopoly...and THEN they will upgrade services...they are not always telling the truth...geesh! They exist for one reason only, and that is to make money...a lot of it. Money for them and their stock holders. They don't care about the digital divide, they don't care about giving service to everyone that wants it. They don't care what number in the world we are in broadband penetration. They simply want what is feasible for them.
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | if they want fiber - build it If Portland and any other city wants fiber, they should build it. Can never trust any telco, they will take at least 20 years to build. | |
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| Qwest should BURN IN HELL Qwest makes me want to stab myself. My neighbors in the 'burbs have Fios, and we're stuck with sh** first-gen DSL, or Comcast. Would be nice to have some competition for the cable network. We suffer because Qwest made some horrible decisions in the 90s? Grr.
Doesn't look like the city will be paying for this (except its own use), so it's fine with me. Let's get started. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Well then do it already... S or get off the pot. | |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| same old song and dance Qwest is just stalling awhile to get some lawyers and grease some palms.
Does it really matter who builds the system? Frankly, if my little town wants FTTH I will pay double. Just as long the jobs and money stay local. Nobody ever accounts for the added quality of jobs. Qwest will continue to layoff, cook the books, lie, find cheaper labor. The shareholders could care less about a community as long as they get theirs, just as a CEO does. Its a herd mentality with no community or emotional ties. They seem to have a exploit or extort mentality toward local jobs time after time. At nearly every turn they resist a competitive market and drag their feet.
If a community wants an open market, build it. Let the competitive market care for it and sell the service. A community may have to toe the line and foot a little more, but you will be rid of the monopoly power and have a voice.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Qworst People want real fibre speeds on FTTH, not crappy 1.5 and 5mbps "DSL" like capped speeds that qwest does on their fibre.
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join:2004-10-10
Gresham, OR
clubs:  | Let them Let them build it. We need faster speeds in the northwest  | |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | QWEST = ... Can't find it with 2 hands and a funnel
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69.95 a month.
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
·Comcast
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| Re: QWEST = ... said by flushls :Can't find it with 2 hands and a funnel or fibre with 1.5 down 128k up 69.95 a month. Woohoo now thats a bargain. ROFL! At least Comcast gives me 8.0 down and 768 up for only 54.95 a month. That's not bad for me  | |
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Viper007Bond
Premium
join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR | Odd, my Qwest 1.5mbit/896k here is $43/mo. If I was closer to my hub (rather than more than 2 miles away), I could get 7mbit/896k for only around $55/mo. | |
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CCTVTech
Premium
join:2003-04-23
Phoenix, AZ
clubs: | Qwest Qwest would probably add Interleave on the line and say it is required just like they do to my DSL.
(Visit the US West/Qwest forum for more info about the Interleave issues people have)
I'm only 850 feet from the CO. | |
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