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said by Jafo232:Good luck, but I do believe the recording for your own personal use has already be addressed. If HBO was allowed to legally block off recording of their SVOD content(as opposed to their usual HBO channels, which is not the content being discussed here), I would see that as being anti-consumer and would refuse to use their content(both subscription and otherwise). If they actually went thru with this, it would hurt their business and profits. Not a very smart move.
SVOD defined:»www.ncta.com/Docs/PageContent.cfm?pageID=107
Subscription Video on Demand, or SVOD, is a Video on Demand service offered at a flat (subscription) price that provides viewers with unlimited access to select programs from the libraries of featured cable networks. In other words, not their regular channels, but the HBO VOD offerings which comes as part of a pkg when subscribing to their regular scheduled channels. And I don't know about all cable systems, but COMCAST doesn't allow you to record any VOD content now with their DVRs. I guess HBO is concerned about people using their own instead of the cable company supplied DVRs.
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1 edit | Re: Good Luck No big deal.. outputting the sig from your digital cable box to a DVD burner or other DVR defeats this anyway, legit or not.  | |
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Boonville, NY | Re: Good Luck said by yeabut :
Yea, but their worried about the morons who put it on the internet, make copies of the whole season and give it to friends...etc.
And that is new how? Pirating is already illegal, passing further laws will not make it any more illegal.
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1 edit | Re: Good Luck said by yeabut :
Yea, but their worried about the morons who put it on the internet, make copies of the whole season and give it to friends...etc.
And that is new how? Pirating is already illegal, passing further laws will not make it any more illegal
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Yea, but their worried about the morons who put it on the internet, make copies of the whole season and give it to friends...etc. Yes, and how is prohibiting recording of their stuff onto DVR is going to stop that? I can guarantee that this upcoming season's episodes of "The Sopranos" will show up on eDonkey/BT/Newsgroups a few minutes after they finish airing on HBO.
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Ephrata, PA | Does HBO not realize that movies come to DVD first.
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Grand Rapids, MI | Re: Good Luck You can't do that legally. | |
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Atlanta, GA | said by ogar:Does HBO not realize that movies come to DVD first. The DVD can be converted to an MP4 and posted to the internet. Though the brief article linked in the headline didn't specifiy it, I have a feeling this may be intended to keep their original programing from being recorded. I'm sure they make a ton of cash on DVD releases of The Sopranos, SFU, The Wire [BEST CRIME DRAMA EVER], etc.)
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| | | | | Re: Good Luck HBO had made available to subscribers like me video on demand streamed the entire season of Rome on the fist day
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4 edits | Re: Good Luck said by Big Dawg 23:They still make VCR's???? Why don't you roll back to Betamax. I have been using a DVR for 5 years and will never go back. With Charter it is like Comcast and you can not record VOD. I am free to record HBO Channels which I do and then delete. The point he was making was even if DVR's get blocked from recording, then a VCR can still record the show. That recording can be converted just as easy and just as good of quality as a DVR recording. I can just hook up my computer directly to the satellite or cable coax and record it and converted to mpeg1-4 on the fly.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Good Luck Still don't need a VCR. Buy a $75 Hauppauge WinTV board (or equivalent) and either hook up RF or composite video to your PC. Record the RF/composite directly to MPEG2.
The only issue: Do the VOD/DVR devices employ classic MacroVision copy protection? If so, then you'd need a small "black box" in the middle of the video to trim the MacroVision encoding. I believe they use "off screen" video scan lines to overwhelm the automatic gain governing circuits on recorders. Although your TV's presentation of the signal is unaffected, a recording ends up with wide swings in brightness which makes it too irritating to watch. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Good Luck said by rradina:Still don't need a VCR. Buy a $75 Hauppauge WinTV board (or equivalent) and either hook up RF or composite video to your PC. Record the RF/composite directly to MPEG2. The only issue: Do the VOD/DVR devices employ classic MacroVision copy protection? If so, then you'd need a small "black box" in the middle of the video to trim the MacroVision encoding. I believe they use "off screen" video scan lines to overwhelm the automatic gain governing circuits on recorders. Although your TV's presentation of the signal is unaffected, a recording ends up with wide swings in brightness which makes it too irritating to watch. You talking about this? I use this in between my STB and my Hauppauge PVR250 tuner using MCE. It works for the MacroVision, but I think that VOB uses a different mechanism to set copy protection and expiration dates.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Good Luck said by AreSee:You talking about this? I use this in between my STB and my Hauppauge PVR250 tuner using MCE. It works for the MacroVision, but I think that VOB uses a different mechanism to set copy protection and expiration dates. That looks like it would do the trick! I love the marketing speak; "...stabilizes the video signal ... ensuring optimal video quality for your DVD copies..." Never a mention that it removes encoding designed to protect the video.
I'm surprised the MPAA citing DMCA isn't all over this. I knew you could buy plans and build your own but I didn't know it was legal to sell fully assembled units.
Regarding the VOB, I'm speaking only about RF or composite video. Once it's an analog video signal, I don't think it matters whether it started out VOB, MPEG2, MPEG4 or Windows Media. The only thing possible is to fiddle with the output gain to foil the recording. | |
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Cedar Rapids, IA | said by rradina:I believe they use "off screen" video scan lines to overwhelm the automatic gain governing circuits on recorders. Although your TV's presentation of the signal is unaffected, a recording ends up with wide swings in brightness which makes it too irritating to watch. Whoa, that's what Macrovision does? I've had a couple DVD players that did this while hooked up through a VCR to a TV that only had a coax input. The guy at Radioshack made up something about reduced power output of the new DVD players. I now hate Macrovision.
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kudos:1 | Gready! Stop charge $100+ for a copy of a show people pay a subscription for anyway! CDs and DVDs are so over priced, if they lowered to price to something a bit more realistic the RIAA and HBO probably wouldn't be compaining so much. I'd rather have the artist designed CD than a "is it live or is it memorex" in my CD case. | |
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Madison, NJ | I recently cancelled HBO, they are way beyond their best by date. DVRs a re great I've used one for several years. Any channel which tries to prohibit them will fall badly IMHO.
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kudos:1 | Re: Good Luck I just canceled HBO as well, and had HBO on demand. Guess what, the on-demand is cool concept, but the movies they had on-demand are already seen crap! | |
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Tenafly, NJ | HBO on Demand is offered for FREE on just about every Cable System that carries it... so with your subscription, you'd get to watch the movies on there whenever you want to... so recording from that channel really is not necessary.
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said by Jmartz:HBO on Demand is offered for FREE on just about every Cable System that carries it... so with your subscription, you'd get to watch the movies on there whenever you want to... so recording from that channel really is not necessary. I don't know where you get your information from, but On Demand channels are NOT free, at least not on all cable systems. For example, Cablevision (cable company that serves my area), charges $5 extra for every premium On Demand channel (i.e. HBO On Demand, ShowTime on Demand etc.) I personally find a DVR to be a better value as I can record things from ALL channels that I subscribe to and then watch them later on.
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kudos:18 | Re: How would they stop it? said by Jon:If you can see it, There's several ways to record it... Fixed it for you!
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| | The beginning of the end proposed In the beginning, they just outlawed recording Video on Demand. I didn't complain, because I though it was their video, and they could do what they wanted. I could always order it again.
Next they outlawed recording premium content. I never minded that, because it was their content, and they could do what they wanted. I could always buy the DVD when it was released.
Then they outlawed recording over the air content. I never protested, because it was broadcast in high def, and I wanted to support the rollout of new technologies.
Then they banned reading. My kids didn't complain because they never knew any better. The past was whatever the TV said it was. There was no record of 'roe vs. wade', because all records of the media in the past had been wiped clean. The echos of Trotsky rumble through the media, and we are all content.
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Reading up on the linked page, this is specifically related to video on demand, and not regular programming. Why would one want to record video on demand anyway?
Over the air or regular programming, now that is different. I have no problem with recording for personal (household anyone) use, but recording and then flooding the internet with it, that is something even I have to say is where I draw the line. One can argue about the effectiveness of what HBO intends to do or what it will later on lead to, but once again, what is the point in recording VOD content? | |
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kudos:4 | If I'm not mistaken. On Adelphia, you can't record any VOD on your DVR. Or at least on Adelphia's DVR's | |
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Drexel Hill, PA | Tivo can handle it Tivo already has functionality built in to prevent recordings leaving the tivo box .. preventing transferes between boxes or to the desktop.. They can even exipre it after x days without your intervention.
Of course, this doesn't help any if you have alternate methods to access tivo material.
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Atlanta, GA | Re: HBO Petitions FCC To Prevent DVR Recording True. I've had situations where I've ordered a new release from Comcast VOD, recorded it using MCE, and it expires 48hrs later.
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Carmel, IN | said by Xela19115:As far as I know Comcast does not let its customers to time-shift any VOD content (SVOD including) at all. Neither to the DVR or through a IEEE-1394 to PC's or D-VHS recorders. It's already hosted on VOD server so there is really no need to time-shift or record it (their opinion, not mine). A user is allowed to record it via analog ports to a regular VCR or TiVO but that's it, nothing else. No digital copies. Hmmm, well not sure I agree. While at my buddies place for the Superbowl, we DVR'd the 'Lingerie Bowl' (which starts at halftime and is a 2 hour long $20 PPV show) so we could watch the rest of it after the Superbowl was over. Worked out nicely. Got to enjoy the 'uniform malfunctions' during the L.Bowl. We just ordered it up, hit record, and went back to the Superbowl for the 2nd half; no problems. | |
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Time Warner cable and HBO are part of the same company. Time Warner Cable is pushing DVRs to get and retain customers. HBO is trying to block DVRs.
Aside from the fact Time Warner needs to get its ducks in a row. Why does HBO just tell Time Warner Cable to add the simple code to their DVR to not allow recording on the PPV and On-Demand channels.
Yes, people could still get a 3rd party DVR or they could record those channels on other cable systems, but at least they would accomplish their goal to a very large portion of the cable market. And it would be completely legal, no different than the macro recording blocks that already exist in many video formats. But I guess you would actually have to have a brain to think of something so obvious.
This new evidence of miscommunication combined with the AOL/Time Warner Cable flubs of the last 5 years, it would seem Mr. Icahn is making more sense every day with his calls to break up Time Warner in to 4 companies.
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Londonderry, NH | Re: Right hand vs Left hand well if I buy a vod and watch I sure as hell don't want to pay again so my wife can watch it.. I already paid.. that is bull | |
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| It may be old fashion..... Get a good S-VHS tape, put it in your VCR set the timer for the show desired, then plug your cables into your video capture card on your desktop and convert it to the format of your choice. Of course if your VCR has always flashed 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00
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Bradenton, FL | Re: Right hand vs Left hand said by kcnetinc :
Yet another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
Time Warner cable and HBO are part of the same company. Time Warner Cable is pushing DVRs to get and retain customers. HBO is trying to block DVRs.
They know exactly what they are doing. It is like Sony selling the vcr, being able to record shows and movies. Then when Sony buys Columbia Pictures everything changed. No longer was copying a show or movie a good thing. Still Sony sold vcr's to be able to record shows and movies. The same goes with selling blank DVD's. | |
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| damn restrictions how can we stop them! why are all these companies all about seeing how much we can restrict/annoy the consumer? Rather than restricting content more so than it has ever been since the age of recorded content began, why not simply give the consumer what they want? So what if the content appears on the internet? Have they ever thought that some folks like myself, would love a legal internet delivery option for movies and TV shows, without the content restrictions they insist on forcing on us? From my personal experience, and this goes for audio and video content both, I can either pay and get a highly restricted file that I may or may not be able to play on other devices, or at present for free I can obtain the same content, without any restrictions of any kind whatsoever, allowing me to play the content on whatever computer or device I damn well please! Hmm wonder which option I'm going to go with given those choices?
That's not to say I am not willing to pay for content mind you, I'd love to pay to say download a season of a TV show at my full internet download speed, however I am not willing to pay to get a file that's so restrictive, I can't choose where and how it's played! If HBO and other greedy goons would somehow someday realize that the restrictions they insist on placing on their content is what's leading us to obtain the content in other ways, maybe then offer a way to download their content without crap DRM, I'd be willing to bet a service like that would be quite well accepted by consumers especially. So how can we get this simple fact through the greedy companies heads! | |
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kudos:1 | Re: damn restrictions how can we stop them! said by kd6cae:why are all these companies all about seeing how much we can restrict/annoy the consumer? Rather than restricting content more so than it has ever been since the age of recorded content began, why not simply give the consumer what they want? So what if the content appears on the internet? Have they ever thought that some folks like myself, would love a legal internet delivery option for movies and TV shows, without the content restrictions they insist on forcing on us? From my personal experience, and this goes for audio and video content both, I can either pay and get a highly restricted file that I may or may not be able to play on other devices, or at present for free I can obtain the same content, without any restrictions of any kind whatsoever, allowing me to play the content on whatever computer or device I damn well please! Hmm wonder which option I'm going to go with given those choices? That's not to say I am not willing to pay for content mind you, I'd love to pay to say download a season of a TV show at my full internet download speed, however I am not willing to pay to get a file that's so restrictive, I can't choose where and how it's played! If HBO and other greedy goons would somehow someday realize that the restrictions they insist on placing on their content is what's leading us to obtain the content in other ways, maybe then offer a way to download their content without crap DRM, I'd be willing to bet a service like that would be quite well accepted by consumers especially. So how can we get this simple fact through the greedy companies heads! Exactly!
quite well said and I ditto that.. make the files available in a standard, usable format legally so we can download/use them legally and on whatever device/player we want. some of us would pay your $3.99 for that (or $0.99 for music)
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1 edit | Good stuff... I still love the tactic of posting bunk torrents to the P2P sites. That's hilarious.
And I find it hard to believe that more than about 5% of people that do regular P2P'ing would buy the content if it were offered in a less restrictive format. They're already stealing the stuff for free; why would they start paying for it? I think that's a line used by pirates to 1) justify their resistance to copy-protection and 2) make themselves feel somehow above common thieves. This way, they're principled thieves.
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This is what I believe anyway, unless a service like this is ever tried, we'll never know what the consumers will do. For me anyway, I download from the current DRM infested services only when I have to, as I want to be able to play the file on any computer or device I please! | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Good stuff... Ok, that's fair enough. I agree - I rarely get my full bandwidth on BitTorrents. But I think that most people get "enough" throughput, and many people do 2, 3, 5, 10 BTs at a time to max themselves out. It's these "chronic" leechers that concern the powers-that-be and its these users that the copy protection is aimed at. These people, I imagine, won't pay regardless of the format or DRM limitations.
I have no problem with DRM as long as there's a way to associate yourself (or your "account") with certain devices. So you could play the media on your computer, CD player, iPOD, etc, but couldn't transfer it to a device registered to another account. Apple does it this way with iTunes and it generally works. That's fine by me.
I don't agree with HBO (or anyone) wanting to completely eliminate the ability to DVR their programming, but I don't begrudge them trying to keep their property safe by reasonable DRM.
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This will teach them! Everyone wants to tar and feather an industry who jacks up rates, forces you to bundle with channels you don't want, and other deceptive pratices!
Can't wait to p2p the cable industry-- dvr schmeveeARRGH! | |
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Corporate positions based on sales/marketing/legal types just make companies like HOB look dumb. HBO = Dumbo Network. | |
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South Bend, IN | booo This was a simple decision for me as I just called and canceled my HBO.
I have read on here some users don't feel VOD should ever be recorded. Why is that? What if my wife wants to watch the show but at a later date? I was unaware that EVERYONE who PVR's VOD is going to distribute that for free.. | |
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kudos:1 | Nothing New As I read all these complaints from people I cant help but see a parallel to how gun owners are treated. It is legal to own a firearm but because a small percentage of the population uses them illegally, people want to infringe the right of the many law abiding people. There are already laws that make gun crimes illegal and restrictions on ownership but it never stops. To try to stop the criminals, the law abiding people are always punished, always has been, always will be. | |
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 Kamaz
join:2006-01-26
Elizabethtown, PA | HBO sucks I think that HBO deserves to have their stuff traded illegally on the internet as punishment for showing GARBAGE 24/7. They have a couple of good shows on like The Sopranos, but everything else including the movies they show are pure crap (like the Def Jam poetry kill whitey show), they show the same shiite all the time. We pay 10 bucks a month for this and then they overcharge us to buy DVD sets of their shows? I don't think so. Just charge us a fair price on DVDs and show movies that are actually good and people won't do anywhere near as much illegal trading. HBO is cancelled for good. | |
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