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Maryland apartment dwellers get their fiber fix.
(old news - 01:51PM Friday Feb 10 2006)
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"We don't have the technology to deploy FiOS in multiple-dwelling homes yet," a Verizon spokesman told us at the end of last summer. Subcontractors in our forums told a different story, and Verizon has apparently spent the fall & winter hashing out apartment & condo deployment details such as ONT placement. Now this week some Maryland users in our forums indicate the MDU solution is actually being deployed (he shares the note taped to his front door). If you're in a Fios area but hadn't seen deployment to your MDU, your wait may soon be over.

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N3OGH
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What is that a picture of?

Is that a picture of an actual multi dwelling ONT?

It looks something more like a cross between an IV machine from the local hospital, the air powered tools that hang from a dentist's chair arm tray, and a large plastic case for some 70's Star Wars action figures.....

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Letter

Wow, the vender asked if "you could leave you balcony closet"...aren't typos great! I admit though, I'm one of the werst...

edited for speeling

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Re: Letter

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the poor spelling.

To me, it's unprofessional and unless it's printed by a third-party, I won't purchase from that company in most cases. Sounds stupid, but if you can't get the basics of a letter correct, then I can only imagine what else you can't get right!

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Re: Letter

me three.

I wonder why "Terminals" was capitalized. That would seem to indicate a proper noun, although I didn't think there was a need for a proper noun in that context.

ylen131

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if i got letter my answer would be sorry but no can do. I enjoy my dsl and i see no need for fios
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Re: What is that a picture of?

said by N3OGH See Profile :

Is that a picture of an actual multi dwelling ONT?

It looks something more like a cross between an IV machine from the local hospital, the air powered tools that hang from a dentist's chair arm tray, and a large plastic case for some 70's Star Wars action figures.....
I appologize for the poor quality of the picture; while I have a scanner, it's not hooked up at the moment. So, I used the only thing I had so I could share the information.

I don't care about the spelling mistakes or the poor gramer, frankly, I don't give a hoot about it.

None the less, the pic is legit. Got another flyer yesterday saying they would be installing the gear today and would we be kind enough to leave our closets open.

The contractor says they think they should have all the "closets" wired in the next couple of weeks. Then we'll have to wait for Vz to hook up the fiber..... drat
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Re: What is that a picture of?

said by BarneyBadAss See Profile :

said by N3OGH See Profile :

Is that a picture of an actual multi dwelling ONT?

It looks something more like a cross between an IV machine from the local hospital, the air powered tools that hang from a dentist's chair arm tray, and a large plastic case for some 70's Star Wars action figures.....
I appologize for the poor quality of the picture; while I have a scanner, it's not hooked up at the moment. So, I used the only thing I had so I could share the information.

I don't care about the spelling mistakes or the poor gramer, frankly, I don't give a hoot about it.

None the less, the pic is legit. Got another flyer yesterday saying they would be installing the gear today and would we be kind enough to leave our closets open.

The contractor says they think they should have all the "closets" wired in the next couple of weeks. Then we'll have to wait for Vz to hook up the fiber..... drat
I believe the poster there was actually referring to the picture posted next the title of the News Clip, not the picture you posted for proof...
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No need to apologise, I just thought it was a good opportunity for some levity

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that is a drawing of the inside of a typical ONT.

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Does this mean NYC is next??

Hopefully this means us city residents are next! I would actually consider switching from TWC to Verizon if they brought FIOS here. I would not switch for their crappy DSL service however. Bring on the fiber!
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Re: Does this mean NYC is next??

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Bring on the fiber!
I second that!

Verizon needs to bring more fiber to the Oregon area as well. Until they do, I'll be right here patiently waiting

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Hopefully this means us city residents are next! I would actually consider switching from TWC to Verizon if they brought FIOS here. I would not switch for their crappy DSL service however. Bring on the fiber!
Don't hold your breath. When they talk about MDUs, they are talking about nice suburban units that were built in the last few decades. The NY metro area is just not quite so "neat", and you have much flakier property owners that could really give two sh*ts about whether there's FiOS or not. Even out here in NJ I've been looking at the building I'm in and I'd be truly shocked if they could run fiber into each apartment for any sort of reasonable cost.

I'll get excited when I hear about the first Brooklyn deployment in an old brownstone.
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Re: Does this mean NYC is next??

said by sporkme See Profile :

Don't hold your breath. When they talk about MDUs, they are talking about nice suburban units that were built in the last few decades. The NY metro area is just not quite so "neat", and you have much flakier property owners that could really give two sh*ts about whether there's FiOS or not. Even out here in NJ I've been looking at the building I'm in and I'd be truly shocked if they could run fiber into each apartment for any sort of reasonable cost.
That's what I'm afraid of. The Board of Directors in the co-op that I live in are a bunch of old-school dinosaurs who try to keep any amount of consruction to a minimum. I know for a fact that they are going to start kicking and screaming when Verizon comes to them with a proposal to upgrade the wiring to fiber. On the other hand, hopefully they can use the wire ducts that Cablevision installed in the hallways to run their fiber. They recently installed a DirecTV dish on our roof and are using the same ducts to run coax to the apartments of those who want it. Hopefully they can use it for fiber cables as well when Verizon starts wiring up my neighborhood.
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Old buildings may be a deployment problem in New York, but I think a more likely problem will be people trying to get the government to force Verizon to deploy in places they don't want to deploy yet. That will drive Verizon away for sure. Nothing like a misplaced sense of entitlement to ruin things for other people.
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Fiber to the curb, ethernet (10G) thru the apt.

that works for most commercial office buildings (and homes) why not apartment buildings?

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Kinda OT but I just wish...

..They'd admit that they're going to be offering FIOS in the eastern suburbs of Pittsburgh in the near future. I go to work every day and have to go thru 4 or 5 work areas in my 5 mile dive to work, all verizon or their contractors...none of em willing to talk.
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High density apartments/condos good for Verizon

If Verizon has figured out how to wire apartment/condo buildings and can convince the building owners to OK it, they can reach a lot of customers very quickly. And that can help them get a return sooner on their Fios rollout.
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interesting picture

I agree with the first poster - interesting picture.

As far as fiber: I'll just have to be happy with high fiber foods.

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Fook Yeah!

Been waiting for the day when they figured this out.

When it becomes availabe in the Metro DC area, I will surely be one of the first to slam the door on Comcrap.

Not that Comcast stinks or anything. I'm just tired of the constant price hikes.
nnkie

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WOOT MDUs

Why do these guys get all the press? I work for US Sonet in Salem, Il. We have been deploying in MDUs for the past 2 years!!! They act like this is something new.

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Re: WOOT MDUs

Having a website that looks like it was designed for a toddler doesn't help. (Was it designed by one too?)

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An apartment dweller has FIOS already

HEMIDART68 See Profile started a thread a while ago about how his apartment was set up with FIOS. Is the problem that verizon doesn't want to install an ONT at every unit?
grandpinaple

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Question

Is this going to be fiber straight to the apartment or to some basement in the building. If it is to the basement then what kind of bottleneck does the wiring from the basement create.
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Hmmm....

I live in Brooklyn, NY in a fairly large apartment building (about 100 units). I was in the basement tonight, and I saw something new on the "telecom wall" as I call it. (The wall with all the boxes and wiring on it). I noticed a metal pipe coming in, seemingly, from the street outside. Running out of this pipe was a thick black cable, that had these rubberized orange rings on it that read "Fiber Optic Cable", with a big plug on the end of it, connected to a beige box abot 12" wide x 8" high x 2" deep (roughly). On this boix, in the upper left corner was the verizon logo. There was a white sticker with some letters and numbers on it. There was really nothing else on the box that I could see, just a plain, beige colored metal box.

I wonder what that is for? I have been checking feverishly for FIOS, but it always tells me it's not available in my area.

When the DSL rage hit some years back, we were one of the first areas to be upgraded (more like uprooted) with new lines. I haven't seen them around here, but I work during the day.

I wonder if there's hope for us...

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Re: pics of MDU via broadband over powerlines

»www.ambientcorp.com/PDFs/BPL%20C···2001.pdf

Broadband over Power Line (BPL) is a technology that enables the delivery of a suite of
Internet Protocol (IP) based services using the existing power distribution infrastructure.
In early 2005, Ambient deployed BPL service in a 16 floor, 213 unit condominium
building located on Manhattan's upper west side.

BPL installations in multiple-dwelling unit (MDU) buildings are similar to area-wide BPL
network installations. The in-building BPL network is also built from a few basic types of
components: couplers that transfer the communications signal to and from the medium
and low voltage power distribution lines, nodes that receive and transmit the signal from
and to the backhaul network and the medium and low voltage power distribution lines,
and modems that transfer the communications signal to and from end users.

There are however some significant differences. Where an area-wide BPL network
typically connects to the backhaul network at a utility sub-station, an MDU BPL network
typically connects to a new or existing high-speed data link in the basement where
electricity enters the building, or with a roof-top wireless access point. Where an
area-wide BPL network uses overhead or underground medium-voltage distribution lines
to construct network segments, an MDU BPL installation utilizes the medium-voltage
and/or the low-voltage power lines in the building.

»www.ambientcorp.com/PDFs/BPL%20C···2001.pdf

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Actually, its been under wraps..

Verizon engineers have multiple solutions to mdu deployment including about 1/2 dozen different size ONT interface boxes for apartment buildings of various size (part of the original request for proposals that resulted in vendors making equipment for the 2003 buildout) Here we are 2 1/2 years later says, wow, they have a solution. Its been widely known that Verizon balked at the costs of 'wiring' some un-prewired for fiber buildings (above 20+apts) without a majority of that cost being subsidized by building owners. Below 20apt units, there has been a bit of redlining going on because the uptick of single or dual dwelling units were part of the initial 'beta' deployment phase of consumers. Lack of an uptick in video subscribers despite franchise agreements is another reason to add harder, and longer to deploy infrastructure.
So, rather than cut prices: what else to do, Hmm.. get all hot and bothered about a 2 1/2 year old solution which they are NOW taking seriously about implementing.
(P.S. The Verizon statement about not having the tech. is B/S)
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